Then:

Then:
>Mexico will pay for the wall!

Now:
>Appropriate funding from American taxpayers
>add a 20% tariff on imports from Mexico
>Mexican manufacturers that make parts hike prices by 20% to compensate for the taxes
>American manufacturers that make things like automobiles from mexican parts now pay more for those parts
>Those manufacturers pass the savings on to the end customers, American consumers

Not only is Mexico not going to pay for the wall, Americans are going to pay for the wall twice

What's a strategy we can use to actually make MEXICO pay for the wall not Americans?

Stop asking for free stuff, amerishits.

>we can't raise minimum wage because the price of cheese burgers might go up 5 cents
>but let's absolutely destroy all of our trade relationships so the cost of literally everything goes up 50%
Conservatism is a mental disorder.

>implying Mexico won't fold when push comes to shove at the prospect of losing their biggest trading Partner when they're already a failing state

Delete that shit, you have no idea what that cover means.

Don't use an album cover that was about taking down a wall, not building one.

They won't lose the trading partner though, it'd cost even more to make those parts in the US so people who import those parts from mexico will just eat the tariff and pass the price to American consumers.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you approve of the minimum wage being raised and that the irony is completely lost on you.

50 FUCKING STARS

Sure I do. The entire album concept is about a musician who's father dies in WWII so he has kind of a shitty upbringing and he can't deal with the world so he retreats in his own mind and walls himself off from the rest of the world, He still does performances and makes music but it's all a facade, and at the end he has to break out of his shell because the isolation is causing him too many problems.

Something along that lines.

Anyway it's just a funny picture.

Your logic is flawed.

>add a 20% tariff on imports from Mexico
>Mexican manufacturers that make parts hike prices by 20% to compensate for the taxes
Then here is the ACTUAL next step
>Mexican goods are too expensive in American markets to be competitive. As a result America starts manufactoring more domestic goods now that we can do so competitively. More American jobs
>If we can't manufacture the goods at market price, we buy from another country. Mexico is easily replaceable.
>Mexico's economy suffers because of trade sanctions put on by US.
>Soros profits.

mixed.

I approve of the minimum wage being raised. But not to $15. I don't think anyone working full time hours should ever be on food stamps, but $15 is a bit much. $10 maybe.

> mexican shit costs more
> cheap mexican shit is no longer affordable
> nobody buys pinatas and corona
> bigfoot moves back north to provide wealth here

Have you seen the steel industry boom this year? Steel commodities are up 200% in the US and companies are resuming operations on lands that have been shutdown for almost a decade thanks to OBAMA your lord and savior imposing a 300% steel export tax on China. So its not just conservatives who decide to tax exports... and its not as simple as you guys are arguing. You can't do it forever, it depends on the commodities market and timing is everything. You need to swing some momentum into things at the right moment..

it's called negotiating, scrub. did you forget he's a business man? when you want $10, you tell the buyer you want $30.

Illegal immigration has been declining and we need a wall? Give me a break, this isn't about an actual problem, it's a manufactured problem to capitalize on hate and xenophobia.

>Those manufacturers pass the savings on to the end customers, American consumers
And why would we ever PAY for such things?

Regardless, this isn't Trump's actual strategy. You should've learned how he operates by now.

They are giving you the last chance of being a murrica by working in the WALL juancho

this

it's like if you put a minimum wage on illegals. You remove the incentive to use illegals at all.

We don't need no, Venezuelans
We don't want no, burritos
No dark cerveza in la escuela
Hey Paco, leave the US alone

>apprehensions
That just shows how Obama just let them run rampant.

Pick up a babby's first economics book retard. The tax will make mexican manufacturing uncompetitive with American and Canadian manufacurer.

Gibbe my wall plox

Executive order:

Sec. 9. Foreign Aid Reporting Requirements. The head of each executive department and agency shall identify and quantify all sources of direct and indirect Federal aid or assistance to the Government of Mexico on an annual basis over the past five years, including all bilateral and multilateral development aid, economic assistance, humanitarian aid, and military aid. Within 30 days of the date of this order, the head of each executive department and agency shall submit this information to the Secretary of State. Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary shall submit to the President a consolidated report reflecting the levels of such aid and assistance that has been provided annually, over each of the past five years.

yeah the 20% tax is paid by the americans importers and consumers.
Not necessarily I think that the American and Canadians products is going to be more expensive than mexican products without 20% tax.

t. Never touched an economics textbook.

not necessarily. it might STILL cost less than an American made part. See, Americans and Canadians are used to a certain standard of living, our cost of living is much higher, we demand higher wages. Juan and Felippe are willing to work for 1/3 of the wages and no benefits, because their costs of living are so much lower.

So the part made in mexico will still, even after at 20% tariff, cost less than an American manufactured part.

>b-but illegal immigration is dropping!!

If so, it would advantage us manufacturers so we win either way

But don't we give Mexico less than $1 billion in aid per year (I think I saw a figure of like $217 million a year).

It'll take decades at that rate for them to pay for it.

Centering your very existence around politics is a mental disorder.

That's a 29% increase on current federal minimum wage. That would result in an even bigger increase In price being passed onto consumer.

That graph is of the total illegal immigrant population in the U.S. you illiterate mong. You also conveniently chose a graph without more recent data.

naw i just couldn't find a better graph.

my point was that illegal immigration hasn't gotten better. it's still high as shit.
It looks even worse if you can find graphs that include 1960s and 70s

Also the MEXIBROS could impose a tariff to imported CORN ( USA), wheat (USA) lets see Kansas .....?

Hahahaha Mexishit are BTFO,

> 20% tarrif
> Mexishit raise prices to try to offset cost
>Their shit quality products are no longer competitive due to price increase
>American manufacturing boom
>Wall built
418d Interstellar Dungeons and dragons

> there are people alive right now browsing this board who think building a wall will fix illegal immigration

Trump could be retarded. No economist--regardless of school of thought--would ever consider this policy economically sound.

It's $11 in Massachusetts.

You don't understand Trump...
> add a 20% tariff on imports from Mexico
>Mexican manufacturers that make parts hike prices by 20% to compensate for the taxes
Then here is the ACTUAL next step
>Mexican goods are too expensive in American markets to be competitive.
>Trump reduces all taxes and regulations in the US, so its much more affordable to produce in US than MEXICO.
>Trump makes trade deals with UK, RUSSIA, SYRIAN Reconstruction...
>These countries demand yuuuge amount of services which now are made in the US.

EXCEPT: If Peña Nieto meets Trump, then NAFTA is renegociated and shitstorm is halted and profit is shared.

>Immigration is the international movement of people into a destination country of which they are not natives or where they do not possess citizenship in order to settle or reside there

Illegal immigration, as in THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ENTERING THE U.S. ILLEGALLY has fallen bigly. The problem is that you are an illiterate moron who doesn't understand words. The context of the conversation is Trump's wall, which is fucking stupid considering that illegal immigration has fallen.

You are deluded and you use a proxy

If they raise prices than Americans wont buy them

See this nigga here

>Trump reduces all taxes and regulations in the US, so its much more affordable to produce in US than MEXICO.
The only way that it's going to be cheaper to produce in the US than Mexico is if burgers working manufacturing get paid $4 an hour instead of $20+

Non-shit countries like Germany and Japan have figured out that people will buy your product for more money if you give them actual quality work so they have done a better job maintaining their manufacturing sectors. the US is the only country dumb enough to compete with Mexico and China on price alone

Fucking retard. Darn near the whole album was about building a wall. Only the last song was about taking down a wall.

>add a 20% tariff on imports from Mexico
>Mexican manufacturers that make parts hike prices by 20% to compensate for the taxes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Honestly, that was fucking funny man. Thanks for the entertainment.

>EXCEPT: If Peña Nieto meets Trump, then NAFTA is renegociated and shitstorm is halted and profit is shared.
And he said no the absolute retard.

Also all famous and politicians of this shithole are going full "muh nationalism" yet Trump is a "RAZIST!!!" for being nationalistic.
>oy...

>apprehensions

What did he mean by this?

Which is wrong, since in our new robotic world, workforce costs have little impact in the price of goods and services. If one man can make 20000 televisions (because he just controls a robot that maks them so fast) but earns 1000 usd he is adding 0.05 usd to the price of each television. Honestly I would say the cost of designing/building the plant has much more impact than the average wage.

>Non-shit countries like Germany and Japan

Outsource to American factories, like the BMW plant in SC that fucking exports SUVs to mainland China, or Continental Tire who spent nearly a billion dollars on their SC tire plant which they promptly expanded after building the first part.

Jap auto plants abound in the US. I thought our Northern Corporate Appendage had an education system that worked. You have just corrected that assumption.

None of the album was about physical walls, just the movie art.

Stop caring about pop music you retards. It's never serious.

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I don't know if these things on his website mean anything anymore...

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Yes, they make the tax money back, but we're the ones paying for it still because the manufacturers who make things using mexican parts (which will still be cheaper tha American made parts) will raise costs to the end consumer.

>apprehensions

Funny how Mexican prez can act so cocky in front of cameras when he is literally and tottaly dpendent on the USA not just on exports,but probably on remittances.

You seem to be clueless.

It's still a good album though.. it's just about emotionally isolating yourself, not about anything physical.

Why are Americans so bad with maths? Mexico would have to raise the prices by 25% to get the same as before if they have to pay 20% taxes.

t. Refugee :^)

>Mexican manufacturers that make parts
I'll just have to settle on a car without a bean dip despenser

Not really.

The meme about it bringing back American manufacturing is just that, a meme. Nothing substantial.

Let's check out an example!

Fender is an American manufacturer that has, since NAFTA, moved some of its manufacturing into Mexico.

If you want to buy a Standard Stratocaster, those are manufactured in Mexico and the MSRP is about $599. Now if you want your stratocaster made in America, you can absolutely do that, 100% American craftsmanship, MSRP $1099

Is that 20% tariff going to make a Mexican stratocaster more expensive than an American stratocaster and make the American strat more appealing from price alone?

Fuck no.

But the price does not change. The peso tanked. We are buying at the cost of pesos, not dollars.

Yeah but Mexican strats are shitty and everyone knows they dip the quality. It wouldnt take much for fender to move production of cheaper guitars to America. Either that or Squire (fenders shit brand) will simply take over production numbers and Mexi Strats will be a thing of the past (they should be)

Reminder that Trump's policy of paying for the wall always included an upfront payment with taxpayer money that (in theory) would be reimbursed by various policies put on Mexico.

That was literally always the plan, the media is exploiting this because no one reads the fine print.

Oh no the economy will improve oh no

do you like to be left alone while working?
do you like building games like minecraft?
do you like repetitive tasks?
can you follow simple safety procedures?
do you want to make gobs of money?

then you should get into the american manufacturing industry!

factories and fabrication shops are not what they used to be. even the smallest of shops are running "lights out" operations. the days of men toiling at knee mills and engine lathes are coming to a close. the current generation of factory men are old, and incapable of adapting to new technology. the current talent pool of men who can drive a 5 axis CNC, or program pic related is ankle deep. "MUH AUTOMATION" isn't here just yet, the robots are still merely extensions of the operator, and the US desperately needs operators.

pirate Solidworks and learn some programming. you don't even have to leave your house to get your foot in the door.

>Just give me this trillion dollars for the wall, I'll pay you back, really
>t. businessman famous for backing out of contracts after the work is done and it's time to pay for them

good thing the Republicans are getting ready to raise the debt ceiling after years of "principled" opposition to it because you're going to need that credit

> vote for donal drumpf

That's not the plan tho

That's just a potential venue proposed by Ryan

>Mexican manufacturers that make parts hike prices by 20% to compensate for the taxes
>People buy the parts in question elsewhere.

GG no re.