Why is drumpf so dumb and why don't you understand that a) tariffs don't work and b) the freer the market the freer the...

why is drumpf so dumb and why don't you understand that a) tariffs don't work and b) the freer the market the freer the people

you have 30 seconds to explain why you dont understand economics. ill wait, shitlords

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industrialism > free trade

>a) tariffs don't work
why don't they work?

>b) the freer the market the freer the people
exactly, he's going to free up the bajillion shitty regulations the Democrats put in place to stop the "ebil greedy corporations". What's the problem?

you think a dumb man could've pulled off the biggest political upset in amarican history ?

its not about the money. its about crippling mexico's economy and getting them to bend the knee.

the US can easily take the hit.

he only won because the american populace is so dumb that they voted for him

what do you mean?

it ain't 1844 and Trump ain't James Polk senpai

>hurr drumpf voters are dumb!!!
as opposed to the smart americucks who voted for Obama v2.0, Electric e-mail Boogaloo?

>tariffs don't work
KYS

no, they were just as dumb back then

if they were smart they would have voted for ron paul

We live in the information age now. Only unfit people who can't compete in the modern economy cling to industrialism.

> market is still free with everyone but Mexico
> when they want to give us money, they can have successful trade again
> thinking Mexico trade without us is actually sibstaonal enough for them not to come crawling back to us eventually needing money

>muh money

Wealth means less than removing beaners.

>the freer the market the freer the people

2016. You had a choice between Hillcuck or Orange Baboon. Which one is the smarter choice?

weak as fuck 2.5/10 slightly irked, apply yourself

+1 my based Korean friend.

>why is drumpf so dumb

why is he a billionaire.....
why did you islandniggers lose a war to a flightless bird....

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top kek

Obama is too 3 republican presidents all time?

>why is he a billionaire.....

When we get his tax returns, you'll see Trump is broke as fuck

Globalization destroys the middle class. Last 8 years is a perfect example.

Bankers and corporations move manufacturing off shore. They continue to make money.

Money, technology and intellectual property go off shore. Destroys middle class. This is the intent of the socialists.

Entrepreneurialism and innovation are America's edge. We cannot let that be eroded any more.

tl/dr nice try schlomo.

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The Tariff isn't the problem. Wasting the income from the tariff on a motherfucking useless wall is the problem. Like fine, throw up a tariff for some auto industry protectionism, but put the revenue into funding health care like you kept promising, or actual infrastructure or any goddamn useful thing.

Over 1 Billion dollars A DAY commerce across the USA-Mexico border.

We run at a 60 Billion Dollar trade deficit with them.

10 Billion dollars for a wall is a small price to pay for security and to destroy the Cartels (money/human/drug trafficking)

>thinking the wall is going to stop anybody

top fucking kek mate

You know Trump has an economics degree from Wharton and you don't, right?

too much of our manufacturing labor is exported to Mexico. tariffs will make Mexican goods more expensive, and thus the cheap Mexican labor won't be so cheap anymore. thus companies will lose the incentive to export labor, benefiting our working class with more job opportunities. literally all he has to do now is stop trans national commuting and the middle class is back.

The wall isn't for security, dipshit. Why do you think the border states aren't hyped about it? It's a placebo for midwestern cucks who weren't being directly affected by border hoppers anyway. They just want jobs back, and that's what the tariff is for.

I mean, fuck, just use the money to pay for more border patrol and it'd still be giant leap over the current plan.

They'll just use cargo ships and send everything up the coast.

It will be a jobs program for California's ports.

>Globalization destroys the middle class
While I agree with you, it's more that the ""progressive"" tax rate destroyed the middle class. Moving your factory to China does cost you some unskilled labor jobs, but you get goods at a cheaper price than domestic. It did hurt the middle class who are only monolingual, but not as much as taxes.

he has a B.A. in business, not economics, and he transferred there from another school. He got in because the admissions officer was a friend of the family and the few people who remember him actually going there remember him as a mediocre student.

The tariff money is going to a good cause, and that is helping build the wall, and help create jobs for construction on the wall, itself.

>putting a man in office who went bankrupt 17 times
>won't give up his tax returns because he knows he isn't a billionaire and will show that he owes money to some shady no name business in russia which is just a front for the money he paid to putin for this shit
>russian dude who worked for the KGB was bagged and abducted mid meeting and hit with the worst charge of treason since the collapse of the soviet union, because he leaked info that russia gave trump the throne
guess what faggot, you didn't elect him, russia did, and its beyond conspiracy at this point. It's not exactly the same thing as the local wingnut conspiracy about obamas birth certificate, considering the CIA is actually pretty interested in this shit

>thinking investors will trust a country that just disregards agreements and does whatever it wants

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Sucks that Aussies are so cucked. Oh well.

"Tariffs are avoidable, Mexicans are not" -George Washington

the old if Italians can wear shoes cheaper we should all wear Italian shoes argument. well what of those shoes are made with essentially slave labor? how can anyone make a decent living competing with that? the cost of living increasing is an unfortunate side effect but is outweighed by the working class' increase in real wages. shut down the Fed and put us on the sterling standard so they can't jew us with inflation, boom America is great again.

10/10 would lol again

**make shoes fucking autocorrect

your software won't save you when china rolls over your nation

>went ""bankrupt"" 17 times
>still has more total assets than you'll ever make in 10 of your lifetimes
really makes those neurons move, amirite?

>muh Russia hackers
Yes, we know all about how they are ""claimed"" to have hacked the election, ""possibly" helped Trump get into office, and is ""under suspicion"" to be very very evil. The Huffington Post said so.

This is true either mexico bends the knee or we become protectionists and start developing our country sure the first 5 years will suck but shit will finally change

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But what evidence does the intelligence community have on the alleged Russian hack of the election that has been released to the public?

oh noez, she had a private e-mail server that resulted in nothing worthwhile after a multi-year Republican-led investigation. At least it isn't as bad as Patreaus who actually admitted to giving away secrets, right? especially now since he's the Secretary of State, it's all good!

> but, please go on, explain exactly what was wrong with Clinton's e-mail problem that the FBI and other Republicans overlooked?

anyone that brings up his bankruptcies clearly doesn't understand how beneficial the laws of them are as far as the outcome. That and fucking pretty much everyone takes advantage of them. Most have never even ran a lemonade stand and feel the need to give him shit about legitimate business practices.

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Itll trust itmore than a country run by croocks and where half the population sings narco music

First the wall later the world!

Kek is pleased

>multi-year
wow, Russia's been hacking those DNC cucks for a very, very long time, huh?

>Patreaus is a traitor
oh wow proofs?

>he's now magically confirmed Secretary of State
oh wow fucking proofs?

>H-Hillary dindu nuffin!
Nobody said she did. Her e-mail scandal is just very encapsulating of her campain. But nice butt-blasted attack on a strawman.

Regan's minivan tarriff worked for years.

the very fact she had a private server in her basement is the main issue there's no oversight, no security, and not much was found because she bleached it when she was busted. probably had to with all of the Saudi, Libyan, Persian, Israeli and OSF shit she's had her fingers in.

Found the Chinaman in Australia.

>two countries with completely different sets of rules
>free trade
Tell us more about how you don't understand economics, OP

The Mexican government has abided by it's trade agreements since the 90's and has been dutiful to it's debt obligations forever aside from '82 and the '94 crisis

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BTFO

>goods at a cheaper price than domestic.

Cheaper goods are meaningless if your mean income is dropped.

Obama's economy has millions more people living paycheck to paycheck than before he started, millions of 20-30 year old neckbeards living at home because they can't find decent work, shrank the number of people working and paying taxes, and thus stomped on the tax base.

All for 10 Trillion dollars in increased national debt.

>Midwest not affected by border hoping
There's an inverted river of their immigration north you dumbass. Plenty of illegals even in MN and WI. Saw some with tears in they cervezas right after the election. Someone says he's moving so I ask where as in next town. They say "back to Mexico, I don't want to talk about it". They're already self deporting.

i'm retarded and i suck cocks, so someone educate me. What causes a natural increase/decrease of wage in the market? Even if factories come back, it uses unskilled labor. Unemployment would go down, which would mean the supply of labor increases, which would drive down the cost of labor, naturally, so not much would change. Right?

>the freer the market the freer the people
>he wants the U.S. to pay more to the U.N.
>he wants the U.S. to have a trade deficit with Mexico even though Mexico needs the U.S.than vice-versa
>he wants the U.S. to ship work to China even though China doesn't buy American products in return to all the shipped work

Tariffs on Mexican products will remain until Mexico starts buying American too. It's only fair.

did you read the whole thing, dingus?

>tariffs don't work
They've worked for most of human history, that likely didn't change in the 20th century.
>le free market
Except when some markets are more free than others.
I believe in the free market, but other countries aren't subject to the same regulations that the US is, while foreign labour, despite their standard of living rising, are impoverished by US standards.
It needs to be cheaper to produce a product here than elsewhere unless the resources necessary are available within bespoke country, this is often not the case.
The area that most companies save on by relocating to another country apart from the US is labour, not materials.

So sure, prices will rise, but there has to be a collapse eventually because infinite market growth is absolutely untenable in a world of finite resources.

>Not knowing that walls do stop people, that's why they build them
>Not knowing that the wall is both literal, and figerative
If we build the wall, and increase immigration standards, then it will work. If they come over and aren't legal, boom, back home they go.
Liberals just let them stay, and give them our tax money to send home.

Rolls over how?

FLIR, seismic sensors, drones, nonlethal weapons. That distance can't be effectively covered by manpower alone.

The most expensive part of a Navy ship is the crew, not the ship.

5000 BP agents at 120K+(Salary/Benefits/Pension) is 600 million a year.

Worthwhile investment as it will drastically simplify the job for the Coast Guard, BP, and ICE personnel.

Then eVerify everyone for all jobs and social services. Tax paying citizen or GTFO.

Shit, I live in Ohio, near Canada, and the fuckers are everywhere.
Good luck getting a labor job at all. The illegals drove the wages down to unlivable levels, by not having to be paid a minimum wage.
The left doesn't want them gone because illegals vote for more government handouts (ie Democrat) and they work for well below minimum wage, saving those elitist cocks a lot of money, while they get to play the equality card, like they even give a shit about Mexicans.

the increase would first be in the number of factories opening in the states. that means an increased demand for labor. the employers would compete for labor. increased employment would be consequence. these jobs have advancement and not all of them are equal. for example, I earn more on a manual lathe than the nigs in the paint room.

It's always about the money, but the left are liars and pretend that they always have noble aims.

Trump is stupid because he thinks bringing back manufacturing industry is gonna help the middle class.

thanks senpai, you should run for President

In the early 1900s, Canada instituted tariffs and kept manufacturing at home. It allowed us to prosper on a local level. This idea that it doesn't and never has worked is just simply false.

Also, self-reliance and economic nationalism > free trade. I would rather we use our resources and manpower to live modestly than totally gut our whole class structure and prop up foreign business interests and fatcats.

This is why I went into tech school. Some people here may shit on it,but I make median income, and Pajeet calls me, not the other way around. Hope tyne tariff outsourcing call centers and nocs somehow too. It's just exploiting cheap labor that has less experience and no language skills in the language they need for the job.

you're alright

Its all alternative facts from the liberal media.

Except it will, you dumb fucking mongoloid. Manufacturing jobs need management positions. An increased real wage produces more disposable income, which in turn produces more investing, which then produces more wealth. "Helping the middle class" means bring it BACK INTO EXISTENCE.

1. Fuck Mexico, they want trouble, we'll wreck them, they've earned it.

2. Why are there so many queer Aussies here tonight?

Lmao ok, you go back to the early 20th century.
While the smart countries keep ahead in technology.

>MUH (illusion of) CIVIL NATIONALISM

have fun trying to have a coke with that cheeseburger if my company suddenly stopped making the machines that made your cup.

>muh machines and automation
You need factories for machines to make shit. Right now, chinks in sweatshops are just as cheap as robots. If you want fully automated manufacturing, the first step is to actually get manufacturing started. Also, no one knows how much automation is going to impact labor.

Its not manufacturing, its encouraging the entrepreneurial class. The American economy needs money to make new businesses. Globalization and the progressive policies hurt small business owners more than anyone else.

Small businesses are tomorrows big businesses.

Lel your country doesn't make anything, besides we have eastern Europe for that :^)

actually we export to 80% of the global market for cups. Starbucks, mcd, all us.

however your point rings true, the part of the country I live in is called "the rust belt" for all the now empty and rusting factories. you would think this means factories are outdated. the truth is these wages are at least as good as any entry level tech job. these factories represent opportunity lost to Mexico and China.

>that resulted in nothing worthwhile after a multi-year Republican-led investigation
Yeah, I never understood why the house oversight committee didn't just shred the Constitution and take over the DOJ's job of prosecuting criminals so they could press charges. I mean once the head of the DOJ met with the alleged criminal's spouse in secret without their personal security detail present and only begrudgingly admitted to it after being shown that there was photographic evidence of it taking place I figure that it must be open season on breaking the law so go ahead and just do whatever you want. In fact, I'm surprised the house oversight committee didn't just take HRC out back and summarily execute her unowutimsaiyanguise?

Dont be too hard on him, hes having his first tour in Korea and is having a hard time.

Even the Chinese replace cheap labor force with robots.

If only they'd honor extradition agreements or literally any other form of social order they're allowed autonomy over

>the freer the market the freer the people

communist fucker

>tariffs don't work

America was protectionist for most of its existence

Actually we surpassed Britain as the biggest economy when we had massive tariffs and protection of manufacturing. Alexander Hamilton and Henry Clay first instituted it, and ol Abe was a protectionist and used tariffs to finance the Union Army during the civil war.

>he fell for the free market meme

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)

Is this the ancap meme thread?

Thing is that US wont have its manufacturing industry back as long as Chinese do it cheaper than you guys.

>progressive tax rate ruined the middle class
I know it is called progressive, but how can you think that taxing the rich more than the poor hurts the poor?

Before you try a false dichotomy between poor and middle class, please bear in mind that in fact rich, poor, and middle class are all ambiguous, relative terms and so in my above question the term poor would clearly refer to the middle class (who are the subject of conversation) who are referred to as "poor" due to their status in relation to the rich.

that's no problem, you only need to cease all trade with China and or nuke its cities into oblivion.

Hence TPP

But we literally do it
Will protectionism keep working in $CURRENT_YEAR?
That's the problem burger friend, Mexico was heavily protectionist until the Latin American debt crisis, after that neo liberal policies were instituted by (((American))) trained economists and growth never bounced back to the growth of the protectionist years, but protectionism wasn't working after the debt crisis either

>you have 30 seconds to explain why you don't understand economics

Even economists don't understand economics. Least of all you.