So for those of you who are living in your little bubble of memes and Trump you must realize there are other problems out there besides muh wall. In Canada there is an influx of prison suicides and this is way more serious than a fucking wall. Human life has infinite value so even to save one human is more valuable than the wall.
You have to understand that Canada does everything it can to prevent suicides. Some have suggested just having prisons a giant strap-in chair where your arms are tied down and you are fed by a guard 3 times a day who comes into your cell. However the Supreme Court would strike that down. So I ask Sup Forums how would prison suicides be stopped?
>Some have suggested just having prisons a giant strap-in chair where your arms are tied down and you are fed by a guard 3 times a day who comes into your cell. fucking hell what is this guantanamo bay?
Samuel Rogers
Yeah, it's not like untold numbers of Americans have been killed by illegals or anything.
Brody Taylor
Step 1: don't do anything that would send you to prison Step 2: suicide
Then it's just normal suicide, prison suicide rates go down, problem solved.
Ian Stewart
Regardless of what you say about GITMO they have done an excellent job at stopping suicides. They care more about their prisoners than any Turkish prison
Colton Phillips
>Ameircans killed by illegals sure
Eli Price
stop sending people to prison for nonviolent victimless crimes.
Ethan Bennett
The problem lies from both usury, and the CIA. Both different, but related to the issue.
Nicholas Cook
That creates a bigger problem tho.
Matthew Howard
That won't stop the violent prisoners from committing suicide
I'm interested, explain
Wyatt Barnes
>Prison suicide
Seems to be a problem that fixes itself.
Michael James
On the contrary, I think every prisoners cell should be outfitted with a length of rope and a sturdy iron bar to attach it to.
Kevin Lee
because they keep you ion a 1meter x 1meter cage where your hands and legs are tied and you're blackbagged
Landon Lewis
Is there a plastic bag on that persons head?
I guess that would solve the suicide problem.
Robert Diaz
yeah how is criminals killing themselves a problem. It sounds like a solution
James Brooks
Sounds like the problem fixes itself. If you didn't coddle heroin junkies, then force them to be sober, it might help. FREE SMACK IN CANADIAN JAILS!
Asher Jones
i would strain so hard on those straps i would eventually become strong enough to break them or i would die from the strain on my body
at that point i mean what else is there to really do other than chill but ur in prison so nothing really matters
David Lee
Because in Canada we value human life
That is disgusting you have no value for human life
Actually no, they have you in a heavilty monitored cell only if you are a threat to yourself do they die you up
No, that's an anti-spit cloak so she can't spit at the gaurds.
Angel Mitchell
You have no value for human life, something that has infinite value
Doesn't work that way.
Evan Watson
its simple leaf broken homes make broken people degenerate leftist break apart the family so the solution is to introduce the family unit again this can be done by ending the feminists meme and by replying to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight.
Camden Howard
>human life has infinite value Lol are you serious? Most human lives have zero or negative value. They only consume resources and contribute very little.
Why stop prison suicide at all? Criminals take care of themselves and stop being a burden, it's a win-win
Adrian Williams
Executions
Thomas Butler
We have value for human life
Levi Taylor
Why should I care about this? They're in prison. If they want to off themselves because they're serving life sentences, go ahead.
Aaron White
Because we value human life
Adam Russell
Not everyone is equal and criminals certainly don't deserve sympathy or pity.
Jaxson Carter
Human life has infinite value regardless of circumstance.
Dylan Campbell
You have to fix the entire justice system. It's broken in many western countries.
>A 2008 New York Times article,[44] said that "it is the length of sentences that truly distinguishes American prison policy. Indeed, the mere number of sentences imposed here would not place the United States at the top of the incarceration lists. If lists were compiled based on annual admissions to prison per capita, several European countries would outpace the United States. But American prison stays are much longer, so the total incarceration rate is higher."
Crazy.
Thomas Cook
>We have value for human life Human life has no value.
Joseph Torres
Make suicide illegal, you'll also need to pin up some suicide free zone signs to make sure people understand if they commit suicide, they will prosecuted.
Nathan Edwards
Why would anyone be suicidal if both in prison and in Canada? Wait till OP learns what Nunavut is.
Justin Perez
>we do you really think your capable of speaking for every canadian?!?!? who do you think you are to say what canadians feel or think about things@!? way to let your own self entitlement and privilege show dickwadbag you dont speak for minorities in canadia think about that next time you decide to speak on behalf of all canadias!11!!
Henry Rodriguez
That's a thorough delusion that will ruin your life. While human life is certainly precious, you can't be naive and force a moralist solution on a large pool of population because nature itself isn't equal, so the preciousness of life amongst human isn't either.
Dylan Rogers
You dont get to choose for someone else if they want to die or not. Unless you are purposedly torturing him and dont want him to escape from it.
Hudson Richardson
there is no scientific or economic consensus that life is important. The value of your life is directly proportionate to your net worth and contribution to the development of the race as a whole. Criminals are a detriment to the progress of man and are inherently of negative value. The elimination of criminals is a net win for humanity.
Camden Thomas
Dude prison sentence aren't long. Carla Holmoka served 3 years for child rape and murder
They are already doing that, the problem is criminals aren't following the law
I'm for assisted suicide programs so that's what we should do
Nolan Lopez
Life is not special. Any two retards fucking can make a baby. It's what the person does with their life and anyone in prison has already written themselves off and their life no longer haa meaning. There are 7 billion others to choose from.
Owen Wilson
>human life has infinite value No it doesn't, it has zero value outside a environment that can support human life. If people believe they are suffering bad enough to kill themselves let them, only thing it does is make other people suffer around them. But guess what they die to.
Aiden Miller
Any Canadian without mental health issue who knows about this knows it's a problem
But prison gaurds can enforce this
WRONG. Those who work to prevent suicide are the most moral and empathetic people, it's a conservative positions
Wrong. Read the bible, human life has infinite value.
Carson Adams
>served 3 years for child rape and murder
Should have been executed.
Christian Hall
>Because in Canada we value human life
and at some point we're going to have to acknowledge that putting that sentiment above other priorities is a stupid mistake and gets everyone nowhere but behind.
If someone doesn't value their own life enough to continue living it, it's cruelty to force them to, and just barbaric to have the rest of the country pay for their continued existence via taxes
Nobody can feed their family or pay their bills with good feelings, so we need to stop focusing on them.
Dominic Baker
>Human life has infinite value No it doesn't the only value of a human is what they have achieve
Anthony Long
thats fucking torture asshole. you should never take away a persons right to end their own life ESPECIALLY a worthless prisoner. Its cruel but more importantly makes no sense (unless your a religtard)
Cooper Flores
>Human life has infinite value
LOOK AT MEH I CARE ABOUT STUFF GUISE
fucking kys you leafshit
Owen Nelson
>How Can the Prison-Suicide Problem Be Fixed?
Give them more rope.
David Jackson
Are leaf prisons like American ones? or more like Swedish ones?
Daniel Taylor
I know this is bait but Have you ever watched braveheart? The themes of that film are pretty similar to the American ethos. Here we value the freedom of choice in life more than just life itself. To us life is about our decisions and that we should all be empowered to make our own way. We don't care if that conflicts with other value systems. So with that you can now take your faggy cuck ass beliefs and shove them up your syrup lubed ass. We don't want them.
Dominic Murphy
>Wrong. Read the bible, human life has infinite value. Look at what we did to Africa. We more than quadrupled their population and all that accomplished is turning starving niggers into more starving niggers. They estimate that by 2100 there will be 4 billion people on the continent of Africa alone and all these motherfucking worthless leeches are going to flood our countries.
Human life is not precious or valuable. Like the other guy said any 2 retards can fuck.
Jeremiah Baker
If they won't follow the law then you have to do what North Korea is doing and charge the perpetrator's family as well. If the family has to pay a $100,000 fine for letting their loved ones commit suicide then people will not kill themselves for the sake of their family.
Owen Brown
>how would prison suicides be stopped?
open space prisons in the far north, where the inmates are free, except they can't go back to the non-criminal people
Banishment.
Nolan Mitchell
>But prison gaurds can enforce this
That has nothing to do with what I said.
Life is tough sunshine, nature doesn't give a shit if you get leukemia, likewise, our society shouldn't be indebted to criminals. If they can't endure their punishment then let them stop being a drain of resources.
Carson Wilson
>only value of a human is what they can achieve
James Martin
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Matthew Wood
>so assblasted you reply to the same person twice
Owen Bennett
prison should help people not punish them by putting them in a box where all they can do all day is network with other criminals who they know theyll have to work with to earn a living later on because no job will employ them.
we should help the people who can be helped, that means white male people. the niggers should be sent off to africa i dont care where in africa, some dumb ass country is gonna take em i guarantee it.
then its a matter of bringing philosophy into peoples lives, without struggle people become depressed. they need purpose, they need something to go to in order to reject nihilism. i suggest utilitarianism but thats just me
Jonathan Murphy
No she should have gone to prison for life
Prisoners don't cost much only like 1% of the budget
There not as bad as Swedish prisoners but less crowded than American prisons
Austin Cook
Prison suicides would drop drastically if you killed them before they could commit suicide.
Elijah Ramirez
Suicide proof cells. Confiscate shoelaces/belts etc. Actually make some efforts to ban/prevent contraband. Remove any possibility for psychoactive drugs to be obtained in prisons. More prisoner segregation so less bullying. Its literally a prison design problem. I could design you a prison where there was no potential for suicide given literally 1 week.
Colton Allen
give me 1% of your skin if that's such an inconsequential number
Dominic Foster
You're trolling is shit, and you should feel bad
Yeah that's because their population is too low, lowest density of population on earth is Africa. Europe and North America have higher per- capita
May I ask why you feel this way because this defeats the whole purpose. Why would you care this much about the person if you don't care about their family?
Hudson Myers
They could easily commit suicide in the far north, they could cut themselves with a tree branch
Except human life is infinitly more valuable than resources
i forgot the pic
Xavier Baker
on a budget, 1% is a significant number
Ayden Richardson
Explains why canucks shitpost, they want to be australia 2.0
Andrew Taylor
>Criminals kill themselves. Problem solved already. What is it you want?
Kayden Nelson
>human life is infinitely valuable
This is where our beliefs diverge. Why can't every life sentence be a death sentence? Why should we feed people who are going to die in prison anyway?
William Myers
You're a smart man. About the smartest guy in the thread so far, though that is not saying much you do know how to respond properly. God Bless you
That's living though, and human life has infinite value
Dylan Wright
>How Can the Prison-Suicide Problem Be Fixed? Equip all prison cells with a neuse.
If you've ended up in prison and realize what a hopeless failure you are, you should have the right to end yourself. It's the only moral thing to do unless you want to spend the rest of your life working to atone for your crimes.
This would help solve prison overcrowding and stop potential re-offenders.
Anthony Ross
He's a leaf. He wants these criminals to fuck his wife.
Evan Ortiz
>Dude prison sentence aren't long >Presents one case
Joshua Brooks
>compared to the infinite value you get from the life
For them to live
If you want to look at it from an economic perspective. Death penalty costs 6x more than life sentence.
Grayson Price
I would love to design a prison. It would be amazing.
Matthew Bell
>Except human life is infinitly more valuable than resources
Absolutely not. Without resources human life is impossible to maintain. We need a careful balance of the two, placing one above the other result in tragedies.
There's no reason to fix prison suicide more than what we already do
Xavier Gray
One less criminal in the world.
Julian Wilson
me too people have the right to suicide the only owner of a life is the person itself not the state canada is no one to tell someone no to kill themselves
Ian Long
>Human life has infinite value
Can we please stop this decades old meme? Were not equal and human life has variable value dependent on their being in relation to their environment.
Leo Richardson
The thing is you only serve 1/3 of your sentence. If you murder someone that is 20 years so you only have to serve 6.6 years. This is due to parole.
Jack Smith
>Death penalty costs 6x more than life sentence.
What the fuck are your talking about? Years and years of food are worth more than some drugs.
Jack Jenkins
Prisoners committing suicide is a good thing. It means we don't have to pay to keep them alive and separated from the public.
Julian Hughes
Provide optional euthanization. Problemo solved. Millions saved.
Samuel Howard
the single largest threat facing humanity today is an overabundance of value placed upon human life
Anthony Lee
>stop criminals from killing themselves >abort kids that could be the next greatest musician or engineer >we value life fucking leafs
Parker Foster
fuck the violent ones let them an hero
Alexander Peterson
Are you a Christian too? I find my opinion rare on this website I just want to know your motive for stopping prisoner suicide
Caleb Rodriguez
if their suicide comes from the depression of being inprisoned in a small cell with nothing to do, no goals, no meaning, then letting them somewhere out would solve this.
why do we imprison people? so that they are not a threat to us.
just put them away far away, where they can move and can have goals and meaning. Sometimes the struggle for survival is a good meaning.
p.s. the Russians were sending rebellious Poles to Siberia. I think that was relatively merciful.
Evan Walker
let the niggers kill themselves. one less nigger for me to "stand my ground" with.
Ryder Foster
>May I ask why you feel this way because this defeats the whole purpose. Why would you care this much about the person if you don't care about their family?
If the person loves his family he won't commit suicide, it's that simple.
Charles Rivera
Try having nicer prisons..
Nathaniel Bell
And even then we still have this fucking problem...
>>A 2008 New York Times article,[44] said that "it is the length of sentences that truly distinguishes American prison policy. Indeed, the mere number of sentences imposed here would not place the United States at the top of the incarceration lists. If lists were compiled based on annual admissions to prison per capita, several European countries would outpace the United States. But American prison stays are much longer, so the total incarceration rate is higher."
I'm sorry but there is no defending this.
William Price
>death penalty costs 6x more than life sentence I can buy a shovel and rope for 30$ waste an afternoon digging, hang the criminal and bury them. You mean the government makes killing someone expensive.
Levi Adams
Don't stop them, assist them...why would you want to stop it?
Noah Reed
if you're pussy enough to get killed by some damn spic you deserve to die. weeds out the weaklings.
Caleb Powell
Follow Sweden's example and make prisons not make you want to kill yourself?
I'd say keep them only open to people who have legit depression, no gang members, could work well.
Henry Campbell
That does not need fixing. Ending up in prison is not redeeming or respectable in any way.
Cameron Edwards
Give them ten lashes and let them go
Problem solved
Gavin Robinson
why would a canadian prisoner kill themselves??
all you guys do in the pen is get high and play street hockey
Hudson Lopez
We live in a time with infinite resources due to technology, no need to focus on that
Read the Bible bud. Souls are infinite
A life sentence in prison is literally costs nothing. A judge just smacks his hammer and reads off a sheet. Death penalty costs
>year of a judge salary (120K a year) >Paying the jury (50K x 12 = 600K a year) >Lawyer salary (average 3 so 3 x 90K a year = 270K a year
It costs well over a million for the state to execute.