Read these before you continue to shitpost
What is Marxism
nyu.edu
The LTV explained
worldsocialism.org
MARXISM/COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM GENERAL
Zachary Bell
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Liam Ortiz
> Average commie
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Brody Morales
Sup comrades
Lucas Hernandez
Whats it like in Vietnam?
Jeremiah Murphy
Get rekt scrubs
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Parker Hill
>da joos
It seems you haven't realized who the real puppet masters are.
David Torres
More proof of the Irish conspiracy.
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kys
Tyler Jones
>What is Marxism
See USSR, Mao's China, DDR, Prague Spring, Budapest Uprising, The Khmer Rouge, Massacre at Katyn, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba etc etc.
Aiden Cook
sage
Jordan Rodriguez
How will I fight for revoultion If I'm dead?
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William Young
Nope. Marx never advocated a huge government to control everything he wanted workers to self manage and run there own workplace so they could be free from exploitation.
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John Ward
Also Venezuela never actually nationalized everything. They were a social democracy and they collapsed due to low oil prices.
Cameron Jackson
Very poor but pretty cool. Don't think I could live here though.
Xavier White
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Nathaniel Nelson
SHE CAN STILL DO IT
Blake Wilson
It was shit.
Jose Fisher
Also, "anarcho-communism" would be even worse.
See pic related.
Also, imagine an "anarcho-communist" society full of lazy, violent niggers.
Mason Turner
Did any of those country's allow the workers to self manage and own their own workplace?
Gavin Roberts
>one coop fails
>COOPS DON'T WERK GUISE
Ryder Roberts
see: Also:
>catering to producers instead of consumers
>labor theory of value
Haha.
Isaiah Adams
Anarchists are just LARPing bourgeoisie.
Joseph Miller
Prove the LTV is wrong.
Isaac Hernandez
jews
John Price
user a: "I would pay 5 dollars for a coffee."
user b: "I would pay 10 dollars for a coffee."
Josiah Campbell
Its a theory of value. Not price. The two coffees are the same and have the same usefulness.
Anthony Evans
Future in Cultural Marxism.
Hunter Parker
Why do socialists think they will gain anything from taking over the means of production?
Why are they stupid enough to think their personal material wealth will somehow increase when in reality it won't?
This is probably the biggest hole in socialist theories yet hardly anyone here talks about it.
>communist revolution
>take every last penny from capitalists
>divided up amongst everyone it works out to about $500 per person(yes that little)
>go to spend that money
>prices increase because no new consumer goods are produced in this situation
>workers are in the same exact situation they were the revolution but now the economy is completely destroyed
OR
>communist revolution
>every consumer good the capitalists own is split up and given to the workers
>it's such an extremely small amount of goods that not even 1% of workers will be able to get any of this
OR
>communist revolution
>money is abolished
>workers take over the means of production completely
>the same exact quantity of consumer goods that was being produced under capitalism are again produced
>the working class has to work JUST AS HARD and JUST AS LONG as they did under capitalism to produce the same amount of shit they were previously consuming
and this scenario is forgetting about the economic calculation problem and the fact economies like this never work.
Either way you go about this there's no getting "MUH SURPLUS VALUE" back. 99.5% of the consumer goods the working class was producing was already being consumed and owned by the working class, not the capitalists. The capitalists own only extremely small amounts of consumer goods(houses, cars boats, tvs, food, porn, medicine) compared to what the whole working class owns.
Anthony Campbell
European communism was largely a de facto Jewish power grab.
The Bolsheviks received funding from Wall Street banker Jews.
Lincoln Bell
I can't fucking wait to wipe you stupid bastards off this planet for good.
Eli Cooper
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David Brown
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Joshua Hernandez
Because workers will no longer have to work just for the sake of profit and only produce according to need they will have less work and since there is no CEO who needs to get a huge paycheck they will all be paid more.
Hunter Wright
Commies are vermin
Kys
Wyatt Young
Wrong
Matthew Russell
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Joshua Foster
Commies are LARPing sociopaths.
Kys
Michael Myers
No thanks.
Sebastian Ortiz
>Prove the LTV is wrong.
Please read this.
Taking over the means of production will not benefit you.
The only way out of poverty is a free market with deflationary currency.
William Harris
Why?
Isaiah Cooper
Why not?
Are you proud of being vermin?
Jackson Garcia
Good thing anime kills communists.
The people who make anime would literally support the state murdering you people if you ever tried anything lol
How does it make you feel?
Gabriel Bell
see
If you don't like the LTV there is always the Post-Keynesian economics version.
Asher Martin
>dude society is classes lmao
>dude the bourgeoisie is real lmao
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Evan Morris
This is so fucking cute.
You didn't even read my argument, it destroys what you just said.
There are no new resources for the working class to consume, they're already consuming 99% of consumer goods. Even if the rich have all this "surplus value" back to you it still won't benefit you.
How do you not understand this?
There's LITERALLY no benefit, you people are a religion.
Luis Rodriguez
>Even if the rich have all this "surplus value" back to you it still won't benefit you.
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Adam Powell
If you don't have a CEO then there is more money for the company to pay its employees with. And do you understand the other criticism's of capitalism like alienation?
Ayden Price
If communism is about wealth redistribution, then how comes literally every time it's been tried the elite has become spectacularly wealthy and the poor have become poorer? If this wasn't real communism, how do you stop "communism" becoming "not real communism," as has been the case literally every time it's been tried?
>$120 million bed-hopping hypocrite: He claimed he lived on $25 a month. But Castro had 20 luxury homes, a private island, an 88ft yacht - and mistresses galore
dailymail.co.uk
>Hugo Chavez’s Favorite Daughter Is Richest Person in Venezuela
breitbart.com
>Kim Jong-un splashes out £14 MILLION on luxury cars while North Korea starves
dailystar.co.uk
>Heirs of Communist China's Eight Immortals 'have amassed huge wealth'
telegraph.co.uk
>Of the seven oligarchs who controlled 50% of Russia's economy during the 1990s, six were Jewish
theguardian.com
Blake Sullivan
>Гoли oтoк
Jordan Nelson
Because they never gave the workers the means of production.
Liam Lewis
>commies calling capitalism inhumane
Colton Harris
LOL dude money does not equal resources
I can't believe you people are actually this stupid.
If the ceo didn't exist and all this money was simply given to the workers, first off these companies world fail because they have no money to reinvest back into their firm.
But that's not even the important thing, listen fucking closely, if the ceo didn't exist and instead all of the money made from profits were given to the workers instead, it would simply cause prices to rise and the working class would be in the dame exact position as before.
No new resources are being created by workers taking over the means of production. Workers ALREADY consume 99% of consumer goods.
Would new resources be magically produced?
Think about this for 2 fucking seconds and stop being a marxist.
Nicholas Gomez
>Marx never advocated a huge government to control everything
Wrong.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Why do you retards think you can just get away with spewing utter bullshit? The act of seizing a massive amount of resources and redefining their ownership in any context is functionally identical to what governments do now.
The problem was Marx was a moron and thought that the socialist state would wither away for no reason instead of predictably growing like a malignant tumor, killing millions upon millions of people in the process.
Juan Nguyen
Also alienation is another dumb theory that makes absolutely no sense.
Dialectical materialism is pseudoscience. You people don't even believe in human biological instincts.
You belong to a fucking cult.
Please snap out of it before it's too late and you lose all functioning capacity
Elijah Martin
they bow to the bogs like all the rest
Nathaniel Allen
Even if they did it wouldn't benefit them and I already proved this.
Care to respond?
Oliver Johnson
If they are made by two different people with varying levels of skill and the same amount of work put into them, they will be of different quality and people will want one over the other by extension. Now, instead of coffee, imagine basic life necessities like houses, cars, plumbing, etc. and you have your communist "utopia."
The LTV is retarded anyway because it doesn't account for the fact that products become both quicker to produce and more useful over time. It would take much more work to build a rotary phone than it would to put together a simple modern wireless one. And despite taking significantly less labor to build, the wireless phone is far more valuable.
LTV is an arbitrary, invisible number that has no legitimate effect on economics at all. You might as well say "value is determined by the number of workers and firms that a product has to travel through prior to reaching purchasable status." It's equally as idiotic.
Ayden Lopez
They can't be paid more if they don't generate higher profits. The degree to which a business is profitable is dependent upon the degree to which its means of production are responsibly owned. For example, stealing an artist's equipment won't make you a great artist, and if you try to make a living doing something you have virtually no skill in, you're not going to make shit. Likewise, you're in for a rude awakening if you think it's possible to remove the vital, carefully selected organizers of a business and replace them with low IQ manual labor workers without going under.
There's nothing stopping you from opening up a worker owned, democratically run business. I invite you to try.
Brody Rogers
Evan Hughes
>entire thread is marxist arguments getting absolutely destroyed and marxists have no refutation
>low IQ spaniard can do nothing but spam youtube videos and pictures
Lmao