As a conservative Mexican I'm deeply conflicted about the current situation that the United States and my country are...

As a conservative Mexican I'm deeply conflicted about the current situation that the United States and my country are facing.
I agree with a lot of what Trump says. I'm very happy that he is taking down all degeneracy and that he is trying to build a better country.
But we're getting fucked just because he wants to see us lying on the ground. My country has gone from a solid turd to diahrrea with blood.
Why do we have to suffer from what chicanos are doing?

You have to go back

Its just needed. Im sorry.

Honestly, what needs to be fixed, is not our country, its yours. We're looking at all the bottom feeders leeching our tax dollars, and thinking thats the problem (which it is) but the real problem is, why the fuck are people fleeing in record numbers from your country??? Why the fuck do all these liberals not even think about that? Why are waves of humans flooding over our boarders, and why is the mexican president totally okay with it, actually, hes more than okay. He's ENCOURAGING people to flee his own fucking country. WHY??

if you wish to discuss this kind of things i suggest you take your thread to Sup Forums, here you're only going to get "build walls" and that kind of stuff; however, if you are a proxy, just fuck off.

>what needs to be fixed, is not our country, its yours
when are you going to kill kikes, then? your now overlord likes to pander for them even though it's proven they are bunch of degenerates and greedy psychos
>muh chosen people
by the devil perhaps, judging by the way they act against pretty much everyone else.

Just euthanize your drug addicts, you will contribute a lot to society.

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I agree with Donald. If he wants to nuke us, so be it.

Stop illegally crossing the border then

If you truly are a hard working productive people this shouldnt be an issue

Are you suggesting that you rely on the U.S to carry your economy?

Go back where? Hes in Mexico

Fucked in the short term, prosperous with a real middle class in the long term

Make America Great Again does not only mean the USA
Mexico and Canada are included in the plan
Get ready

you are not alone, compatriota

How can I go back if I'm already here, retard.
Soy de Monterrey, mexibro.
I really hope this is true, user. I'm very willing to work hard to get my country becoming great.

Im not talking shit about your people. All Im saying is why the fuck is nobody concerned that huge swaths of your population is fleeing? Does that not concern you? Who are these people fleeing? Are they your best and brightest? Are they your scientists and businessmen? Or are these the scum of the earth? I'll go with the later. Thats why your president is so pissed that trump doesnt want these border hoppers in our country, because they would be a catastrophe in yours too. Fix your shit over there.

How can mexicans even be mad about a wall?

Why say that this is a suggestion when we all know thats a fact.

Mexico should try to clean itself against the narcotraficantes.

Come to our nation legally like most Europeans do.

Why do all Monterreyfags are pussified cuckservatives?

Fascism is always the answer.

Btw did you get BTFO by Leon today?

How many threads am I going to see with "I like Donald Trump but i'm afraid of blah blah blah"

Vale verga que los que si tenemos huevos para salir adelante en México vamos a sufrir por culpa de los chicanos de mierda. Ojalá y los mate Trump.

Why don't you try to Make Mexico Great for Once?

>he is taking down all degeneracy
Do you really believe that? He supports and is supported by jews and they are the main source of degeneracy.

If he were to finish degeneracy, he would put jews, faggots, niggers, retards and NEETs in a big camp and then he will kill them all. He is just chasing inmigrants.

>But we're getting fucked just because he wants to see us lying on the ground
Wrong. He is doing what is best for America. Ideally he would do things that benefit both (or all) countries, but when it comes to mutually exclusive options he must choose to do what is best for America. It isn't that hard to comprendo. Enjoy the Chicanos, they are your brethren.

Soy Tigre. El juego de gayados quedó 0-0 anyway.

>MUH Delort
>muh championship
>muh Roberto Hernandez

>tfw I'm a chiva and a toulouse fag

Stay inbred, regio

Further back

>I really hope this is true, user. I'm very willing to work hard to get my country becoming great

I know it's true user.
Trump holds no hatred of Mexican people and the Mexican state.
He hates your oligarchs, your government, the cartels, the corruption, everything that keeps you from having true prosperity. You guys sit on a ton of mineral weath, oil weath, and other resources. You should be on the same tier as Canada and the US if it weren't for the corruption

A wall shutting down the drug and people smuggling pipelines will do wonders for you

>Make America Great Again does not only mean the USA
>Mexico and Canada are included in the plan
>Get ready
user, I hope by KEK it comes true

>ID
>kez

What did he mean by this?

Time to man up Mexico, uncuck yourself from the drumpf. Now those fucking gringos should now know why don't they look down to where their feet is planted, that u.s. soil that makes you take shit for granted, If not for santa ana, just to let you know that where their feet are planted would be México. Correcto!

I sincerely like your attitudes. Keep your heads up, Trump does not hate Mexico. He (we) want the USA and Mexico to both be strong and i_n_d_e_p_e_n_d_e_n_t.

or.... maybe..... Mexico can join the freedom experiment of the North American continent and prosper.
I like my idea better

Mexico can operate as Mexico First. China can operate as China first, Britain can act as Britain first. As they all already do. And the US will operate as US first. The net effect of everyone working in their own self interest is capitalism. And contrary to popular libtard belief (because they get useless degrees just to say they have a college degree and are otherwise uneducated), this doesn't result in getting a fractional slice of the pie, but creates pies. Mexico's problem is that they have been able to use the US as their relief valve for so long, their politicians are inept at handling their own problems. Not our problem. But better for Mexicans as a whole to get that problem resolved.

We need more anons like you.

>Fascism is always the answer.
Fuck off. Monarchy is the true answer for Mexico.

DEJAD

Trump is in quite the puzzle because he was unlucky enough to have a mexican who is as unpopular as he is.

Back when Bush made his fence Fox was kind of a mexican Trump who made it to the top for shocking the system and insulting his opponents. Everyone was okay with Bush's fence because it was just Fox helping his compadre to protect the country from further terrorist attacks. It also helped that mexicans died in 9/11.

I'm sure things will work out in the end, but Nieto is by far the most inept puppet we have had in ages.

anons like you are the reason why I still believe that US and Mexico can work together without merging into one big country

The motto engraved in our Congress reads 'La Patria es Primero' The Nation's First meanwhile self elected lawmakers sleep in the second meeting of the day.

To be nationalistic we need to get rid of the snakes first.

>Fascism is always the answer.
not with those morenazis

I would love to Mexico become a strong ally. You gotta fix that systemic corruption.i know it's easier to to cross over and make a new life, but have some pride, don't abandon your country when it needs you the most.

If you just paid for the wall everything would be fine. You're being stupid for refusing. You have a role in our migrant crisis and you're never going to convince the American right otherwise. Pay for the wall and trust that Trump will see it as an act of graciousness and a new beginning. In the long run, you will benefit.

Why don't Mexicans, I don't know... Make their own country great again?

Man i really hate how proud and offended and how entitled people from all over the world feel to live in the usa its insane like countries and bordera dont matter anymore but sadly there will always be people enabling this. I feel like the usa and white first world countries are already over its like cancer has grown too much already.

I live in the southwest US
lots of US citizen mexicans
lots of illegal immigrant mexicans
It's globalist forces who divide us with illegal immigration. It's a shame
Separate and distinct, yet together and proud is the way to go forward.
Too many cultural ties between us for a closed border, but we need a wall to defeat the globalists and the cartels

Lopez Portillo was pretty fucking bad too.

I really like how Peña administration is going to end up on a worse state than it was initially expected.

One would hope PRI be dead by now but man goddamn shitskins and their tortas. Proof that democracy doesn't work on Mexico

I feel you Mexibro, but apparently your country can't into economics.

The 20% tax on Mexican goods would pay for the wall in 1 year if the imports remain stable. So, the Mexican president can do the math and say we can repair all of this right now, and for half the price, if we just negotiate it, and pay for half and pay for half the maintenance over time.

If you all weren't so cucked, you'd be out in the street demanding that the president do more than ignore the issue at hand. Your country is so dependent on us, you are unable to help yourselves. It's unhealthy for both of us.

is the fucking shitskins that made PRI won and they are the same ones who aren't happy with how we are living right now

He's okay with it because it's called colonization. It's what England used to do, send people to change the demographics of a land.

Mexicans in America send incredible amounts of money back into the Mexican economy. In CA, they are now a majority. The president of Mexico can de facto consider California a part of "greater Mexico" due to its majority ethnic Mexican population.

You have """Californians""" (ethnic Mexicans) today that side with the Mexican government over our own conservative government

Why do we have to suffer for what Chicano do?

you guys need to rally together and put in a legitimate non corrupt government in power

Give guns and a brand new chainsaw.

Mexico is fixed and the Trump Wall TM is paid

I don't agree with what temp is doing to mexico

>Trump is in quite the puzzle because he was unlucky enough to have a mexican who is as unpopular as he is.
Don't believe the corporate/state USA media and their polls.
Trump is quite popular up here
>Back when Bush made his fence Fox was kind of a mexican Trump who made it to the top for shocking the system and insulting his opponents. Everyone was okay with Bush's fence because it was just Fox helping his compadre to protect the country from further terrorist attacks. It also helped that mexicans died in 9/11.
And then....for some reason....George W Bush, and the US Congress forgot about the border fence law they had just signed and did nothing.

And then....quite conveniently Obama came to power and forgot about the border fence law that was on the books

really makes me think


>I'm sure things will work out in the end, but Nieto is by far the most inept puppet we have had in ages.
Carlos Slim offered to help with the trade deal
there might be hope if Carlos Slim stops the New York Times smears

>The 20% tax on Mexican goods would pay for the wall in 1 year if the imports remain stable.
yeah, but that means most US business will cut ties with Mexico in negotiation so i doubt it will become stable

this is true. However, that's not even what Trump is aiming for. Mr Mexico is trying to play president, but he doesnt have a fucking choice. Either he can let his economy collapse, and the entire country plunged into absolute financial ruin (which would make labor cheaper for us next year) and we use the import tax to build the wall. Or he pays up for the fucking wall.

How do people not see how insane their side looks too? The PRESIDENT of mexico is throwing a tantrum to let hundreds of thousands flee his country! KEKKKK!!!!

No choice here paco. The wall will be built, the only question is will the money be given or taken?

The fence was built dumbass it was just 600 miles

Trump should try funding a Revolución, just like the USA used to fund such movements in South America.
I don't know if the results would be good, however. I would prefer a much more pacific scenario where people just help each other working to MMGFO.

>spic nationalism

See the problem is that the ruling party is too 'powerful'

We need to install a coup and hang these cocksuckers from cranes. Place a dictator and martial law. Forget about quasi socialism. Forget about human rights and social media. Normies are as bad as shitskins.

One leftie = one bullet

Yeah, and that's why we need this shit curbed as soon as possible.

Im actually waiting for calexit. They succeed. It's Civil war 2.0. California is btfo, and progressives are looked at like the confederates are looked at now

Correct the Record for me:

Did the law call for a physical barrier everywhere or just in the San Diego, Tuscon and Brownsville metros
enlighten me

Nice digits.
I guess in some sense the way Mexicans feel about Guadamalians is kind the same way Americans feel about illegal Mexicans.
Handle your business, when your all squared up come over and chill. Basically don't show up to the party empty handed.

Guatemalans and most Central Americans are non entities.

He is giving you people the incentive you need to finally take back your government. My uncle was on welfare for five years before they finally stopped, and he was forced to get a job, and he realized how damaging those five years were because they made him complacent. The US is doing the right thing by forcing Mexico to start facing its problem and stop trying to hoist them onto someone else.

Some parts the can't build bc of the landscape/ private property/ ecological impact

Yes, but that's the point. Trump knows what the tax means, if he didn't it wouldn't make so much sense. He is merely making you all come to the table. What would make the most sense is doing just that, but the alternative is total economic collapse.

We could help you, but your little man of a president would rather be prideful and watch the country go to shit.

RAID-

The United States won't nuke Mexico, Paco. But you do owe us and as I've said time and time again your leadership has failed you. They have directly put its people and economy in front of the firing squad all in the hope of preserving their pride. Your leaders would rather watch the ecosystem crumble and the monetary value plummet even further.

Look bro I don't hate you, I think your leaders are foolish considering they need us to thrive as a nation. If Mexico ever falls in the Trump Administration you're happy to come here, legally of course.

Well, let's address the actual root of the problem here--Mexico's economic is trash and you guys have been fucked repeatedly. Moreover, the flight of manpower from Mexico isn't helping, it's making the situation worse. Yes the remittances are a bandage over the wound but it isn't fixing the problem.

What Mexico needs, frankly, is either for the international community to just admit that it's a failed state and intervene, or a civil war. Personally if I thought the US government had anything resembling pure motives I'd be advocating for this already. Trump might actually be the guy to fix this. We'd just have to go in and drone every cartel warlord and zeta cocksucker in the country. Just kill them. Murder them instantly. Purge corruption with fire and sword. Import in Swiss bureaucrats if we have to to run the place until the Aztecs unfuck themselves and start acting like the very few remaining white people (whose courage I will always respect for continuing to live in fucking Mexico) and the country can pull itself out of the gutter.

But the solution is NOT to allow millions more of your slave-race subjects to continue flooding the USA dude, if the situation is completely fucked now, how bad do you think it's going to be if America becomes Mexico-lite? What then, flee to Canada? It'll be Chinese by then.

But isn't what that Trump is saying?
So, then everything is in place and we need no further construction?
Is this your contention?

There are more Mexican immigrants leaving the US than entering it.

I know reality is scary, but you can't just believe whatever confirms your bias.

Digits of truth

Civil war seems like the most plausible scenario

Because you need a legit revolution. Mexico needs to cut off its corrupt leadership and hang the fuckers from the streets, and this wall forcing your most poor and vulnerable peoples in the country may actually cause that to happen.
Hopefully.

Obama deported more people then Bush.

>But we're getting fucked just because he wants to see us lying on the ground.

We've been lying in the ground for DECADES. Trump is just kicking us now.

If you kick a civil war the us will intercede. The cartels have too much at stake not to put "their guy" in the big chair.

You assholes want to make Mexico Great? Get yourself a cold, crisp second amendment.

Only because they redefined "deportation" to mean "turned people away," and raw numbers were exploding up until very recently.
The Bush clan also has a lot of ties south of the border, we only need to look one name over on the family tree to see Jeb and his heartchopper wife.

>There are more Mexican immigrants leaving the US than entering it.
>I know reality is scary, but you can't just believe whatever confirms your bias.

NO
NO
NO

A lot of you are too young to remember what the illegal immigrant landscape was like before the """Great Recession""" of 2007/2008

back in 2003-2007 the top estimate for Mexican/Central and South American illegal immigrants was officially 30 million+
Some estimates we're 35-40 million illegals in the USA

Then the crash happen
and it was reported that half of the illegals left due to the economic downturn.
That means that there were, at a bottom level estimate, 15-20 million illegal immigrants in 2008-2010

Now, we know, the housing market in the SW US has recovered as well as the economy as a whole.

It is foolish to believe in the official MSM meme number currently floated of there only being 11 Million illegals in this country in 2016/2017

It's a bullshit number with some fuzzy math behind it
Likely subtracting DACA dreamers from the real numbers

Do not believe Obama administration estimates of the illegal immigrant population in the USA
Don't do it

Yeah, Im going to call bull shit on that.

>"LOL YEAH WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE ARE SNEAKING IN WITHOUT US SEEING IT!!!"

Can you even type while jerking it to cuck porn?

>just because he wants to see us lying on the ground
Hopefully he steps on your neck next

It will. I really hope their junior kids get killed too

If the US intervenes it better be for our own good. OTherwise, Donny would be wasting his time

>Can't differentiate peruvians from mexicans.

Don't worry I can't tell apart american and canadians neither

Your people have destroyed my old community in California so much I had to move to another state. I don't feel sorry for you one bit.

You guys probably should have fixed your own problems around the time people started fleeing your shithole to the US. If Mexico wasn't a garbage pit we wouldn't even need to build a wall because nobody would want to leave. Since we can't prop up your corrupt nation of uneducated drug peddlers, we need other methods.

10th Article in the clunky ready constitution.

Too risky for shitskins to have access to guns

>turned away
The boarder control has no jurisdiction in Mexico.
If they were " turned away" the were on US clay.
Does it matter that they caught them at the boarder or some random city?

Is that true?
Gun laws in Mexico are constitutionally a Castizo vs Mestizo thing?
I'm not surprised, but still, TIL

SIEG HEIL!

my 2-cents: mexico has a gang problem. it's had a gang problem for decades. you call them cartels, but they're really just very big gangs.

in all those decades, the mexican government was profiting off these gangs, not trying to stop them. they are okay with the corruption and drug exports and don't do anything about it (unless it affects tourism)

that's the problem right there.

what trump is doing is just pointing out the problem and taking steps to kill it on his end.

tl;dir; mexico ignored it's problems for decades and hates that other people aren't ignoring them too

It doesn't fundamentally change the situation, but it does mean that Obama's "deporter in chief" meme was a narrative intended to throw whites off the trail of the Democrats' new campaign strategy, which is to brown the country as fast as possible.

why does mexico always want our sympathy. fuck you're needy as fuck. stop being a leech and maybe you won't get treated like a subhuman piece of garbage.

doesn't matter regardless, if the definition was expanded to include people who previously weren't counted it's going to increase the number without changing the actual reality.

Typical regio cuck. Too used to suck American tittie

They'll be the first ones to hit the ground

Mexico will never go full second amendment.
There are some real dirt poor desperate people that would do anything to get out their situation

>Your fucking illegal pilgrims have destroyed the old native communities in California so much that natives had to move to another place. I don't feel sorry for you one bit.
Get back to Britain fucking whiteys, this land was never yours

Why are you relying on the U.S? Make your own country great just like Trump is doing for ours.

the shilling is out of control recently. everyone knows pol loves walls, and walling out spics and muzzies is like living in a wide awake dream. every day of the trump presidency feels like a gift

Watch some of bill clintons early presidential addresses. Trump quotes him almost to the point of plagerism

says a mexicant that (STILL)treats natives way worse than whites did.

>Mexico will never go full second amendment.
>There are some real dirt poor desperate people that would do anything to get out their situation

Same as why Democrats resist full 2nd amendment in California, Chicago, Baltimore, etc....

I think he is overplaying his hand here. Yes he can pretty much force mexico to pay for it and it'd be a pretty easy geopolitical victory for him to keep his base happy, but if he cucks EPN too much you mexicans are just going to elect some maduro-tier dude like AMLO and this will be a great and unforced geopolitical error on Trumps part.

Mexico would turn into the USA's Ukraine, so retarded