Is libertarianism the final redpill?

Is libertarianism the final redpill?

>You're responsible for your own mistakes and failures
>If you're doing crap in life, work harder
>Maximise freedom and get the government out of our fucking lives
>Everybody can indulge in whatever he or she wishes. If somebody chooses to have a "sex change" let them do so (it's their loss at the end of the day)
>Migration should be allowed because, as Thomas Sowell points out, countries that are closed off fail. You need the strongest people from ALL countries - let the dregs, of your country and others, die out

Why aren't you a libertarian, Sup Forums?

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Respond to my thread you cunts

>be libertarian
>have to drop my grandson/husband off at school
>forgot my wallet so I couldn't pay to use toll road
>have to drive 60 minutes out of my way through a sketchy neighbourhood to drop my black trans grandson/husband off
>get ambushed on the road by a pack of nogs
>call private police force
>nogs pay them off because they are richer than me
>my husband/grandson sees how weak I am and joins the nogs
>i get raped by nogs, private police & my grandson before I can escape
>get home, take clothes off and shower
>look in back pocket
>they left me the bill for the private police

>be libertarian
>outlaw gubmint armed forces
>ISIS invades
>die

libertarian society
>you in

The ideal government is one with no welfare/regulation combined with a strong outsourced private military to eliminiate foreign military/economic threats etc etc

I'd like to point out that libertarians have the highest average iq of all political ideologies.

No morals.

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Leyonhjelm go to bed m8 it's late.

I don't know yet I barely looked into libertarianism, it looks promising though

Yes, that's why libertarianism is an ideology for 140+-IQ'd like-minded white males, totally enforceable.

Who would build the damn roads?

Well, for starters...
youtube.com/watch?v=WnCtzB58SY8

Libertarians are just autistic liberals.

Fuck open borders
Libertarianism is great, but it only works when people as a collective have some sense of civic responsibility and unified cultural identity. Absolute libertarianism won't be good for the future of mankind, nor would absolute authority. Everything must be tempered with the other, balance is extraordinarily important.
Libertarianism never works with open borders since other cultures will conflict with the in group and cause discord.
Fuck.
Open.
Borders.

your mum

Just like athiesm then

Libertarians have no answer for the Jewish Question.

If there is a large government apparatus, (((they))) will infiltrate it.

If there is not, (((they))) will form cartels and other organized crime schemes to consolidate power.

>They think tribally, we must do the same.
youtube.com/watch?v=4y8FljajdXM

>literally arguing against a strawman
How many layers of irony are in this video.

Fucking Irish, they ruin everything.

Do you really think a lack of regulation is a good idea when the watershed could be irrevocably destroyed in your local municipality? What about worker rights?
What if the private security decides to stage a coup and establish a military dictatorship?

These things wouldn't happen because everyone would just FOLLOW THE NAP in an ancap society

>1999

lamo it's the current year dude heck off LARPer

>not knowing Dr. William L. Pierce

He was decades ahead of his time, his discussions become MORE relevant as time passes not less.

>(((they))) will form cartels
At some point cartels stop being financially viable, and are ruined by the competition with its lower prices. Also, if the cartel sets the prices too high, all its members begin looking for a way to sell more secretly - just look at the history of OPEC.

>but jeuce will trample the competition!
Without the power of state they won't.

Libertarianism is the first free-thinking step. You've advanced above the sheep of normie voters by managing to criticize society and form your own morals. However they're still very simple and flawed, both compared to intellectual leftism and the final redpill, intellectual fascism.

Nigger

I can confirm this, my I.Q. is one of the highest

>intellectual leftism
>intellectual fascism
Too esoteric, too sectarian and completely irrelevant. Political idea should be simple and relatable to an average voter, as long as we still have universal suffrage.

Only because it has no broad appeal. It's an ideology of intellectuals with no support among normal people. Unlike any other ideology which has its' fair share of intelllectuals but a broad base of normies and brutes aswell.

They're the same as normal fascism and normal leftism. It's just that the average normie far right person isn't capable of defending his ideology intellectually. Average tard here on Sup Forums will just scream about how gay marriage is degeneracy and niggers are niggers without actually being able to explain why. It's okay though, they don't have to be able to as long as there are others who can.

>What if the private security decides to stage a coup and establish a military dictatorship?
Everybody is armed and war is very, very expensive and bad for business

This. The only reasons monopolies and cartels even exist are because of the government. Natural ones always collapse. It's ridiculous how lefties imagine libertarianism as a sort of corporate dystopia when it is their policies in the first place that have centralized power to the government and thus the private sector.

Is this a cycle? Sup Forums was libertarianism until it failed to answer the questions of:
- taxation
- border security
- military
- childfucking


Then we check that fascism is actually a more proven and true system, that's practiced by the ancient romans.

That's how governments formed in the first place

cant hold an easy banter. are you 12 ?

If you are a statist boot licker

Wrong

Utilitarianism is the final redpill.

>don't latch onto any economic ideology
>do what will benefit the most people even if it means screwing a few people over or completely changing the system
>support things you think are disgusting because they will help society
>lie and cheat as much as you need to further the greater good

We're Nazis because authoritarianism works, god damn you.

>taxation
I won't pay taxes
>border security
I'll shoot anybody who walks on my property
>military
I'll shoot anybody who walks on my property
>childfucking
I'll shoot anybody who fucks my child

OK, then a bunch of people will shoot you and move on.

An organized group of soldiers > any individual militiaman.

It isn't expensive when you can loot the coffers of your enemies and force the out group into labor camps. Face it, war is inevitable in a truly libertarian society, as is the total destruction of any civilized working peoples. It would become anarcho communism (luddite) on a micro scale, and on a macroscale pure anarchy.

Who defines the greater good?
Might makes right
Victors write history.

Finnish child loses parents. Has nobody to defend them. Gets brutally raped. Many such cases!

There are over five million living of us in this country. Happy hunting

An organized million can take care of that five million quite readily.

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You can't tax and instill totalitarian laws on an armed and unwilling population

But I can rob them blind and force them into labor camps yes.

>mfw born in 1999

Your fault for pursuing a degenerate lifestyle. I still support your right to do so.

Your fault for not being strong enough to fight off nogs too.

C'mon man!

No my friend, libertarian =/= anarchist

Of course I believe in a national military. I'm not a fucking idiot.

>outsourced private military
But why? I mean, maybe, but ultimately it will be in public ownership anyway (since you say outsourced).

I believe in a state military. And whether there are private subcontractors or not is irrelevant. The fact is they should still be a state / public entity, ultimately, in my view.

Exactly.

Bullshit. As I said to someone above, libertarianism =/= anarchism. All societies are predicated on having morals - otherwise anarchy ensues. Morals are just contracts between men after all (t. Hobbes). Therefore a libertarian society must have morals just like any other society, otherwise it will just become anarchy.

Ancap =/= libertarianism you dumb cunt.

It is my friend. It's all the benefits of the right-wing, except that you stop blaming your problems on others, like leftists do. E.g. rightists say "da joos! da immigrants!" and leftists say "da nazis! da capitalists!"

Perhaps immigration should have some limits, especially for low-skilled workers. High-skilled immigration is beneficial to a nation though. I already mentioned Thomas Sowell in the OP; he strongly asserts this.

Ultimately though libertarianism stresses personal responsibility which is why I think it's good. It's fine to complain about stuff, as long as you're willing to do something about it. Right-wing people who sit on the internet and complain about the Jews are just as bad as leftists sitting on the internet complaining about patriarchy. Yes, Jews do disproportionately control the world's wealth, but instead of blaming that for your problems, you should make YOURself as wealthy/successful as you can, instead of whinging.

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Nig

But how do you get there?

I used to be just like you m8, i've used that exact argument before. In theory you are correct, but that's simply not how it all works out in reality. Look beyond the simple cause-effect economic models.

An example to start you on the path:
>the diamond engagement ring
>literally memed into existence ~100 years ago through a massive advertising campaign

>everyone MUST buy one of these for their spouse
>an enormous industry

>diamonds are actually quite common,
>but (((DeBeers))) has nearly a total monopoly and artificially restricts supply to increase value

They've psychologically conditioned the ENTIRE civilized world that they MUST spend thousands of dollars on an "intrinsically worthless" rock that they have a monopoly on.

>No my friend, libertarian =/= anarchist

>Of course I believe in a national military. I'm not a fucking idiot.
This is why I never take libertarian seriously.

Adopt a fucking stance and tell your friends so.

The nazi/fascists are the only ones with a true consistent ideology/system.

I'm sure your "volunteers" are ecstatic about going door-to-door collecting said people.
Ultimately you're going to lose more than you can gain

Yes, they are, I gather the scummiest, the vilest penal battalions to do that job. Those who have nothing to lose.

Be ready my friend.

Don't worry about my readiness, fuckface

Immediately going back to authoritian when your poor little libertarian ass cannot handle it huh?

It's good. But you need smth more powerful than pistols and rifles to defend your property.

Becuase they are autists.


The model is prefect providng everyone else is both intellegent and willing.

Ofcourse they are not, so it would never work.

Ideally, it would be nukes.

But a society like that would be quite...explosive.

Master race reporting in

I can afford my own helicopter fuel just fine, killing a commie doesn't even break the NAP so it's fine

what a faggy and horrible post and horrible image, end yourself my man

You know, if we sincerely follow this kind of reasoning, we will inevitably come to the conclusion that the problem was created by centralized states with their division of labour, and we'd all be better off as independent homestead owners like in X century Iceland. Do you really see this as an alternative?

Ha ha, typical, this shows that you yourself doesn't believe in the NAP.

>what about workers rights

Their right is that they can voluntary engage in contracts to trade their labor for wages

Not enough economical freedom

Sounds like you have no idea how ideologies work m8.

There are core ideas/values, but people do not necessarily agree on every single policy. The same is the case with nazism/fascism.

Anarchism is a branch of libertarianism just as nazism is a branch of fascism.

Every ideology stems from, or is somewhat related to another one.

It's also typical for commies to die from helicopter accidents

No one has to or needs to buy a diamond ring. It's a complete and utter luxury. Even if what you were saying were true (which it isn't, no one forces you to buy a rock, you yourself admitted they are intrinsically worthless so who cares if someone voluntarily buys it with their own money) it doesn't actually refute that user's point. Cartels collapse frequently in the absence of government regulation. They either fall to competition that sprouts up wanting to undercut the cartel or fall from the inside.

This is such a bait thread it's not worth the wall of text you constructed here

But ideology has to be at least consistent.

To date, classical fascism is the simplest, most consistent ideology, structure, you just need a strong state to protect your territory, and rule bestowed upon a dictator.

there are no final redpills, only layers of revelation until you reach the top and become one with the universal mind.

Perhaps not from their own will, eh?

I do agree that libertarianism minimizes the number of monopolies however I think it's silly to say it would get rid of monopolies or that they're even a bad thing. Have perspective for what a monopoly is. If you own land with a pond on it, you have a monopoly of that pond. If your company has a trade secret, you have a monopoly on that product as long as you don't reveal the trade secret. Are you going to use the violence of the law to compel McDonald's to reveal their "secret sauce" to stop their monopoly on it?? We need to be honest in saying that monopolies are not bad things that have to be destroyed

>tfw your whole "ideology" was debunked by a UK NEET posting a fucking ball meme

Think again

DESU

im an unironic libertarian. i know trump is not the ideal president but I hope he implements the small government high freedom policies he talked about and sets the stage for a real libertarian to run as republican in my lifetime

This is such meme shit.

Stirner has never lived like an egoist, he's just another bitch boi.

Libertarianism is endorsed by champions of business my friend. And libertarianism arguably is already in effect in the United States. Their government is less interventionist than those in most other Western countries.

Libertarianism isn't a strictly defined ideology. Libertarians share their desire for a small state and for maximal personal freedom, but they differ greatly on how much the state should be reduced by.

Libertarianism =/= anarchism

James Hetfield is a libertarian, is he autistic? No.

SOME libertarians are autistic, I completely agree. Especially an-caps (but they're not really libertarians, they're anarchists). But not all.

This is a good post. I agree with you.

But you say "absolute libertarianism" - that would be anarchy. Which is not libertarianism. Libertarians still want a state, just a small state - one which maximises personal freedom.

But yes I think I agree with you on immigration - HIGH-SKILLED immigration is important, like Thomas Sowell points out. Countries that close themselves off become stagnant. You need innovation. High-skilled migration essentially means that the dregs of your society will wither and die like they should, replaced with the greatest human stock from across the world.

>it only works when people as a collective have some sense of civic responsibility and unified cultural identity.
But perhaps they don't need the most unified cultural identity for that - America is the biggest example, since Americans have always united in their sense of civic responsibility to America, but they have had diverse cultural identities - British, German, Irish, Protestant, Catholic, and yes, black and mestizo too.

Libertariaism is a hip name to call anarcho-capitalism. How is that conservative?

I am OP, check my ID - it's not bait because I'm responding to posts

You fucking pillock

Natural monopoly is 100% fine as long as it maintains the price equilibrium. But it's very rare, because as soon as it begins playing with prices, it loses either to a direct or to an indirect competition (like if steel costs too much, I will switch to aluminum where I can).

Have you ever watched Elysium? Do you remember what Los Angeles looked like in that far future? That's exactly because of unrestricted immigration that it turns into a giant favela. Trust me, you don't want that in your country.

Sorry for implying that all monopolies were bad. I'm already aware that anti-trust laws are flawed. I normally make a distinction between natural ones and ones that derive their monopoly privilege from government with the latter being the more dangerous.

this faggot wont answer my bump™ lmao

Let's say you kill all the Jews. Some other class of people will just replace them in their positions of power. Are you then going to want to kill them too?

At the end of the day, only liberty can create successful societies, like it has done in the West. Strong authority, from left or right, leads to fear, death, poverty, etc. Nazi Germany didn't survive very long did it? No.

Literally you should start taking responsibility for your own lot in life. Focus on your own success instead of blaming others for your problems.

Libertarianism =/= anarchism

An-cap is fucking stupid

If fascism is so great, how come it has ultimately failed everywhere it has been tried? Germany, Italy, Chile, Spain.

I'm not saying it never brought those countries any benefits - I am sure it did. But it will never create the most prosperous societies. Only liberty has done that. See: the United States and Europe.

And ultimately with fascism you're just blaming your problems on other people. If you were a militant fascist and were actually taking action then fair enough. (Disclaimer: I am not encouraging anybody to do anything; what you do is your choice)

Dickless faggots who sit on the internet whinging about Jews are just that - dickless. Grow a set of bollocks and make something of yourself.

Taxation is necessary. Because the state is necessary. As a libertarian, this is what I think. I am not an anarchist.

Taxation should be kept to a minimum, to only fund essential public services, like the military. And taxes should be spent as frugally as possible.

>Border security
Have border security, but allow high-skilled migrants. Low-skilled migrants can die in the Mediterranean.

>Military
Have a military. Again, libertarianism is not anarchism. Libertarians believe in a state. So believing in a military is not contradictory. Nations should have protection from outside threats.

>Childfucking
Deprives liberty of children. So no.

I believe in National Socialism.
>Rockwell's "American National Socialism"
youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc

Humanity may be the smartest animal, but we ARE still animals. We should play to our evolutionary strengths, at least while competitors still threaten us.
>tribalism & hierarchy


If National Socialism had won worldwide, it would likely have faded into quasi-libertarianism over time. Whites are the most individualistic race, we will always trend in that direction if left un-interrupted.
>no enemy to overcome
>no international finance to drain the country

youtube.com/watch?v=RmtuCzKy83U
>at 4:00
>he talks about the ideals of post war Germany

>taxes should be spent as frugally as possible.
Do you realize that bureaucracy works like cancer and always tries to grow more no matter what?

If you're not a Rothbardian anarcho-capitalist you are quite literally a poser.

>Socialism
good luck with that

What differentiates libertarianism and classical liberalism?

getting there

Libertarianism used to be known simply as Americanism
The libertarian party is a joke

The US is already pretty libertarian. Also libertarianism is not a strictly defined position - it's just people who favour minimal government, but there is wide disagreement over how minimal this government should be.

America has a strong military to defend itself. But it allows people of all political inclinations to exist. It removes restrictions on businesses, to foster economic growth. America is arguably the freest country in the world.

>This is why I never take libertarian seriously.
>Adopt a fucking stance and tell your friends so.
>The nazi/fascists are the only ones with a true consistent ideology/system.

Bullshit. Nazis disagree a lot - see Strasserism:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

Lefties also have a wide range of positions. Conservatives do as well.

Stop being a fucking idiot.

>There are core ideas/values, but people do not necessarily agree on every single policy.
This

>Anarchism is a branch of libertarianism
Hm I don't know. They're closely related but distinct. Libertarianism does not call for the abolition of the state. Anarchism does.

Libertarianism =/= anarchism, how many fucking times do I have to say this. Picture related ain't an anarchist.

>Libertariaism is a hip name to call anarcho-capitalism. How is that conservative?
Where did I say it was?

/bogpilled/

I don't think I want unrestricted immigration, but high-skilled immigration is pretty necessary for economic growth.