Why is China so irrelevant?

Why is China so irrelevant?

For all of their economic and military power, they don't seem to "run" anything. And I don't just mean they aren't as influential as America - they also aren't as influential as Russia, or Britain, or Germany, or France

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>For all of their economic and military power, they don't seem to "run" anything.

Maybe if you're blind.

Americans actually believe this.

Amerifag here and I'm just as oblivious on this topic as OP. Can any other countrymen explain this to me?

You niggers. They're buying up all of Africa, Canada and now both Central and South America before our eyes AND now Mexico. Just because you can't read chink speak doesn't mean they're not massively imperialistic

They own you, you don't even realise, working as intended.

Look at your wife's bra. It's likely made by a chink.

They run your national debt

LOL this, OP has a typical burger outlook.

He doesn't understand Chinas doctrine of "Peaceful rise".

Unless a country bombs the shit out of another country or fills them with soldiers and military bases, Americans think they don't have any power.

So they play by rules controlled by the US.
The debt they own is a Damocles sword that has more chance of falling on their own head.

not all of us are lead by trudeau, or are australian

>China rules the world in ways so subtle you can't even comprehend them
Is this like when people say Denmark is wealthier than the US because it has a higher carbon emissions adjusted GDP per capita

They are literally buying a shitload of our high tech companies.

In 10 years you will very likely work for the chinks.

youtube.com/user/NTDChinaUncensored
watch all

>if I ignore them they will go away
Great strategy, because underestimating the Chinks worked out really well so far, am I right? Maybe transfer some more bleeding edge technology to them in exchange for market access, not like they could possibly reverse-engineer it.

I'm old enough to remember when everybody said the same thing about Japan.

Mate they are buying our football players, China has a hench middle class because of the amount of manufacturing

The biggest banks in the world are Chinese.

Go figure.

>France
>Britain
>influential
burger education folks

China.

Nobody understands China. But I do. I fucking understand China. So listen to me.

In the next 2 minutes, I'm going to red pill the shit out of you about China. I'm gonna open your eyes. I'm gonna give you a motherfucking epiphany.

On my previous thread, some dummy posted that China has a history of never being occupied.

WRONG.

The last dynasty in Chinese history was the Qing Dynasty. It lasted about 300 years. The rulers of the Qing Dynasty were not Chinese. The rulers were a "barbarian" race called the Manchus. This dynasty successfully lasted for 300 years. China was OCCUPIED and ruled by a foreign race for 300 years.

Why? Why did the Chinese kowtow to the barbarians for 300 years?

Answer: Because of the alternative. Because Chinese people are deathly afraid of shit hitting the fan, because every single time shit hits the fan in the Middle Kingdom, tens of millions of Chinese people die of slaughter or hunger. Therefore, the Chinese people are inherently willing to tolerate bullshit from their authoritarian government in order to stave off the inevitable disaster that is the Chinese dynastic change.

Right now, the same thing is happening. China is on the verge of collapse, but Chinese people are tolerating their bullshit government because they're so terrified of the inevitable. But, trust me, there WILL be a dynastic change. It's absolutely inevitable. It's the nature of China to collapse, again and again and again. China has had 83 dynasties in its history. No. Make that 84, including the PRC.

China is a DOMINO, just waiting to fall and trigger a chain reaction of nonstop ass fucking.

This is the future. Be prepared.

what is capital flight

this is how i know you know fuck all about geopolitics

China does run things. For example they have the dog meat and gutter oil commodity markets cornered

>this is what amerifats actually believe
If China was irrelevant we wouldn't be on the verge of choosing sides.

It isnt capital flight.
Its part of their endgoal to get a monopoly in tech, which the china openly tries to achieve.

But hey let them buy our companies, take the patents and tech and then move the companies to china, what could possibly go wrong.

>Why is China so irrelevant?

surprising... someone able to accept their lack of knowledge and as a result, seek it

china would beat russia in a 1v1 tho

don't worry, we will soon enough as well when trump rolls back all gov't regulations

Because almost all of china's economy is owned by West and their military is actually shit.

would you fight your neighbor over a parkingspace if it cost you your house?

almost everything you use is made in china, it may say made in the usa but in reality its assembled somewhere in china.

Remember, Sup Forums, mainland Chinese have the stupidest brainwashing in the world. At least the Muslims realize that they're bottom of the pile; the Chinese not only have delusions of future grandeur (and have been gloating about hypothetical futures for at least 15 years), they have delusions of present grandeur now, too.

Really? I'm sure that's a great consolation to the billion dirt poor indentured laborers who work themselves to an early death with lungs full of poison, with only one kid with zero prospects to show for it, so that a bunch of communists can become billionaires.

>confirmed for having no idea at all about the very complex nature of T bills

They are buying stakes in some. They will never be allowed to control US communications network. The Europeans have let the Chinese buy in too much, it's true, but that shit is easily nationalized. After all, what can China do if the UK were to decide "actually, we're going to just take that shit back"? Ban exports to the UK and have even more of their light manufacturing companies go out of business?

>not like they could possibly reverse-engineer it.
They are not good at this.
They had to borrow 1950s Soviet helicopters to lift diggers in the aftermath of the 2008 Wenchuan quake.... this is after DECADES of attempting to reverse engineer everything.

They still can't even make a civilian jet liner for shit; inefficient as fuck and fuel costs would quickly eat up the "cheap cheap cheap made by slave labor" China saving.

They often trick their ignorant population by copying the exteriors of US warplanes, though.

>buying our football players

What is money laundering designed to evade capital controls?
Even the dumb-ass Guardian, whose China coverage is dumb as shit, has caught on to that.

Because China is playing the long game. Most of the western world is very short sighted.

In a century from now, China will be the strongest entity in the history of the world. Built on the takeover of Africa, slave labor of their own people and high populations in western nations, basically making them Chinese territories. They will also be one of the few homogeneous, nationalists nations to survive.

It will be sad as the Chinese lack compassion and creativity of the western man.

Alternatively the pants-on-head retarded policy ideas coming from President Bannon are going to finally get the Chinese to get up off their arses and turn into a real superpower.

I'd genuinely put either one at about the same likelihood.

>The American Bubble at it's finest

That's because you, like most americans, are retarded when it comes to world affairs.

China's millionaire class is astoundingly big. They can actually buy what they want when they want: anytime something smells of yield, they get in and win.

What the Chinese tend to lack is creativity, because of their obsession with hierarchy and roles. They can't think outside of the box, which is the Main driver of innovation.

because the mainland focuses their efforts and energy inwards, not outwards. They project a shitload of power, just inwards.

Remember, BeiJing controls 1.4 Billion people.

Their balance sheets are inflated to an absurd degree.

They are pricing empty, crumbling concrete boxes in ghost towns that nobody at all wants to live in at about the price of a decent home in the US Midwest.

They *say* they are the biggest. They *say* their balance sheets are incredible. But the assets are for the most part polished turds.

Nah, he's right.
China is buying a bunch of good world in SE Asia and Africa by building a bunch of shit for them. The Chinese banks claim they'll make big profits on interest payments; in reality there are going to be a lot of defaults.

>a silly opinion

Maybe not owned by the West - but totally dependent on running huge deficits to fund their giant loss-making state owned industries and bureaucracy

We taught them how to make that shit. We can teach others how to make it. China is already far less competitive than it used to be because the Chinese are not longer used to going to bed hungry.

There are plenty of other places we can teach to make our shit.

Even if China decided to nuke its own economy by cutting off exports to the West and deal with their entire manufacturing sector immediately going out of business, it would just cause a spike in costs while we fix up a new supply chain.

We already have plenty of the shit that China makes. More than we need.

China's currently organizing a genetic engineering eugenics program to raise their next generation's population's average IQ by 5-15 points. They will be a country of 1.5 billion people with an average IQ of 115. They will literally be unstoppable and swamp America completely because you're too distracted living in a Jew-owned country which ignores inconvenient truths and disenfranchises its founding populace, meanwhile an ever-rising superpower ethnostate that doesn't give a shit about our stupid Jewish-brainwashed meaningless ethical quandries about racism, etc. is doing hard science and lives in the real world.

Have fun playing #2 to the big dog of the world in the future because you couldn't solve your Jewish problem.

>This shitpost has been made possible by Huawei and ZTE

> Why is China so irrelevant
I'm just gonna post what China's actually doing that's economically and politically relevant to the world. Remember that most of the world hates or dislikes America btw.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Pakistan_Economic_Corridor

>China is playing the long game
You mean by using up huge amounts of their groundwater?
And polluting much of what's left?
And ruining huge tracts of farmland?
And building ridiculous debt-fuelled speculative assets called ghost towns on top of what was once useful farmland?
And the fact that the business class, uncertain of their future under the unpredictable new administration, is getting the fuck out?
And alienating all of their neighbours with constant threats, both military and economic, and bullying?
And basically telling their population "stick with the Party, we'll keep making you rich forever"
And the fact that they STILL can't have anything close to a mature debate about their history?

Yeah, sure looks like a great long term plan.

>China is buying a bunch of good world
I meant "buying a bunch of good will"

China will invest $300-375 billion into nuclear energy over the next 20-25 years and become by far the world's leading producer of clean and cheap nuclear energy.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-17/china-revives-nuclear-power-to-shed-smog-masks-chart-of-the-day

China's economy is huge and spreading rapidly all over the globe. They're especially investing heavily in the quickly growing African economy.

Israel has a pretty low average IQ, about 94, the overwhelming majority of the population is not Ashkenazi, it's Haredim, Mizrahi, Sephardic, and Arab, all of whom have average IQs of 95 or less. Despite this the Ashkanazim completely run and dominate Israel in every endeavor, politics, science, math, engineering, technical work such as programming, business, etc., and if just accounting for them they would be the most successful nation per capita on earth.

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High IQs can't thrive among themselves. Israel is an example. Too many Jews means too much competition which offsets the effect of the high IQ individuals on society. The result is nothing of value created.

This may be true indeed. Arab Israelis ruined Israel.

it actually is though

>China's millionaire class is astoundingly big
It's big, sure, but so is the US's.

The US, and West in general, has better behaved and lower profile rich people (with notable exceptions, sure).

And a lot of on-paper Chinese rich people aren't that rich. See "billionaire" Wu Ruilin who recently defaulted on a debt because he couldn't make a $15M payment.

Yeeeah, that's a real billionaire all right...

In reality, they're leveraged out the ass and much of their portfolios are worthless speculative property that the Chinese banking system pretends is worth a ridiculous amount because allowing genuine market pricing would immediately wipe out the entire banking system.

A lot of Chinese rich kids driving Audis on US college campuses better learn something useful in the 8 years it takes them to get that BA.

They own less than 7%, idiot.

China currently operates the largest hydroelectric power plant in terms of energy capacity in the world and operates 9 of the 20 largest as well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_hydroelectric_power_stations

>Africa
Ah, yes that meme.

Because the West who taught modern Chinese everything they know just wasn't smart enough to exploit them effectively right?

Or maybe because >muh colonialism, right?

I've got some bad news for you, Zhang.

The US tried in the 1950s to invest in Africa. Big time. They even tried dealing with socialist-minded African populists. And what kept happening? Nationalization, coups, corruption and ultimately debt defaults.

And right now Africa is far crazier, far more entitled and has way more guns (thanks, in significant part to Mao's mad foreign policy). That's why we've effectively given up on investing in there and just give them free shit to prevent them from starving - it's cheaper.

Yeah, some Chinese businesses will make big money while Beijing is pumping Dollars in (despite having a billion very poor people at home) but that can't go on forever. And it won't. At least China will have a legacy in China, though.

> The US tried in the 1950s to invest in Africa. Big time. They even tried dealing with socialist-minded African populists.

Yeah the problem is Americans and Westerners in general actually cared about the people and gave too much of a shit about them. China doesn't give a fuck about them at all, they don't even hire non-Chinese workers which Western firms try to do. China simply uses Africa for all it is objectively useful for, its natural resource capital, and it realizes that its people are worthless as capital and only useful as consumers for their products. That's why it's working for them. If they can keep their grip on Africa they'll literally have a 95%+ monopoly on rare earth metals in the world.

>at least China will have a legacy in China
I mean in Africa

derp

Find or name a single other country that is expanding so rapidly and building such awe-inspiring works of construction engineering to improve their economy further.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangzhou–Shenzhen–Hong_Kong_Express_Rail_Link_Hong_Kong_section

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing–Shanghai_High-Speed_Railway

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan–Guangzhou_High-Speed_Railway

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing–Tianjin_Intercity_Railway

China has historically been incredibly insular, and for most of its history "China" was whatever area accepted Chinese customs and submitted to the Emperor. They're just not that interested in imperial expansion save the South China Seas.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiaozhou_Bay_Bridge

they're buinmg up large parts of africa,can change lawsin canada and probably own half of hollywood by now

Dude, you don't seem to realize this but you've made a really dumb argument.

Despite all the IQtards on this board, Africans - even the bushmeat eating ones - can tell if you hold them in contempt as the Chinese very clearly do
>see Empire of Dust

So, the Africans will smile while the Chinese are driving around handing out free shit and giving a few of them token jobs. That's what Africans are used to doing.

But when there's a social problem, or just when people have had enough, who is going to get the blame?

I'll give you a clue: the foreigners who are taking working peoples' jobs, spending their entire time behind walls with their own security teams and openly looking down on the pissed off locals, calling them "black ghosts".

>and some Chinese actually think this is a smart long term strategy
kek

It's a smash and grab, bro. That's all.

>95% monopoly on rare earths

Dude, you are misinformed.
There are rare earth deposits all across the US. And Russia. And Australia. And elsewhere.

So why is it all mined in China?
Because it's dirty and the developed world is exporting its pollution to China.

China is proud of that for some reason (another example of commie brainwashing) and a lot of Chinese seem to think it means you'll rule the world one day
>nah, it just means your police state is turning your country in to a garbage dump

They largely own America through debt and manufacturing. Look at any household item next to you right now, and there's a 50/50% chance it was manufactured in China. That includes your computer and monitor.

Russia has been irrelevant since the cold war, which is why Trump is "making friends with them". What he is doing is squaring up to China by denying them their economic hold over the U.S. He is ceasing trade and bringing domestic manufacturing back.

China has the largest military force in the world right now, but lack the ability to project their force. As the U.S. becomes more hostile. they will have no choice but to rectify this. Expect rapid modernisation of military infrastructure and equipment, along with a new Cold War within fifty years.

friendly reminder that china will always be there whether you like it or not
those who once conquered china has become irrelevant, Mongolia? LOL
china was there when Ottoman fell
china was there when Egyptian fell
china was there when Rome fell
and you bet your sore arse china will be there when the (((western world))) falls
china will once again become the centre of the world, filthy barbarians will beg to visit the middle kingdom
your sons and daughters will be living in a world when china rules the world, and there's no way you can stop it, MUHAHAHAHA

Thing is, we built the equivalent railways in our countries like 150 years ago.

China is spending so much on infrastructure to catch up.

China currently owns and operates the fourth largest solar photovoltaic power station in the world.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longyangxia_Dam

No but we live in an incredibly different world than any time in the past, to be imperial you don't need to be a force that militarily conquers or is capable of conquering anything, you can far more effectively exert influence through soft economic and financial power, which is what they are doing, have been doing and will be doing since they're smart.

Almost all US debt is owned by banks and private people. EU owns more debt than china.
The consumer holds the power not the manufacturer. If anything buying Chinese garbage means we own them.

>military power
kek

But mainly, Chinks are inward focused and Western cunts aren't

do you unironically believe all your BS?

I suppose you think the same when NATO buys the F-35, right?

> catch up
WRONG

China was never the centre of the world. Not in any real sense at all. It's what they called themselves though.

kek

Enjoy your hypothetical future gloating though. But maybe you should try to be less invested in an imaginary future based upon several flawed assumptions?

they make all of our shit dude they arent irrelevant at all, they are the biggest economic super power but they dont have shit of a milltary or nukes, we just hold the money system without us holding the ball china would turn us all into commie shit holes and make the earth unbreathable.

I suppose you think F-35s and Lockheed Martin are the same as the company that makes your iphone case.

WRONG

dailymotion.com/video/x3vibkv

> They largely own America through debt
This is a meme, the overwhelming majority of American debt is owned by America, and the debt that China does own isn't owned by the Chinese government but by individual Chinese investors
> through manufacturing
This is a meme too, they don't own America anymore than they do any other country due to stuff like electronics manufacturing. Outside of that most other forms of manufacturing are done in Vietnam, Indonesia, or the Philippines now for America and most Western countries since China isn't nearly as cost-competitive anymore since they've developed.

Yes but they're economically expanding at a rate unparalleled in world history and have a much larger population to bring up until they exhaust their easy labor to capitalize on which provides essentially free guaranteed economic growth. It's entirely possible that they'll be able to tech up and amass wealth so quickly that they'll actually start building better overall infrastructure than the West in the coming 30-40 years or so at least in certain parts of the country. For example, their roadway system is already larger than America's, which was the world leader going back to the fucking 50s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_of_China

The Africans won't do shit if they're being provided for or better off than they would be otherwise and even if they do the Chinese control virtually all power and if threatened will not hesitate to destroy and subjugate them. You're thinking they give a shit, they hold the power and will wield it to serve their interests.

> they don't seem to "run" anything
> don't seem

What was the last time you checked that stickers on the back of your phone/laptop/pc, user? I have some bad news for you.

Well, why the fuck they should be loud? They succeed silently just fine. Better than you without Trump, at least.

>Really? I'm sure that's a great consolation to the billion dirt poor indentured laborers who work themselves to an early death with lungs full of poison, with only one kid with zero prospects to show for it, so that a bunch of communists can become billionaires.
This doesn't really matter in the long run. China has enough military power to govern itself, and that's all it really needs.
It's military wasn't made for fighting the US. It was made to keep those dirt-poor farmers from having another great leap forward

this poster is right. Chinese industry is propped up by State investment propped up by debt.

China also fails in producing next gen industrial technology and can't self provide in those vital industries.

It's a considered and informed analysis.

But hey, get emotional and throw general abuse if you don't want to confront reality.

Japan owns us way harder than China, by that logic.

it's a cargo cult inspired by corrupt politicians. there are massive public works in towns with populations of 100k, because the officials get kickbacks, and it's all financed by debt. Meanwhile there is 15% vacancy in real estate because the average Chinese is poor and can't afford to buy it.

Traitor - you are not real Hong Konger! Go back to Shit-Cock-Shu you mainland fuck. China never has and never well rule the world, it will always be sick.

They also know all that kung-fu. They can catch bullets and shit, good luck burger military.

Their masterplan is to sit back and watch western civilization destroying itself with liberalism and islam

so what do you foresee their future as?

>China was never the centre of the world
WRONG, pic related

hillary was your best chance to contain china's rising, with trump, china is now unstoppable

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3486042/Hillary-Clinton-does-not-want-grandchildren-live-world-dominated-Chinese-Obama-warns-future-conflict-Beijing.html

the put pieces together based on instructions from the leaders elsewhere. that is not leadership.

>The Africans won't do shit if they're being provided for or better off than they would be otherwise
That's a silly meme that Chinese tell themselves. It's one of the many unrealistic assumptions that needs to come true for the "China will rule the world in the future" meme to work.

>believing China can launch succesful military missions in Africa to subjugate multiple countries if the Africans dare to rebel
That's particularly silly and unrealistic. It's really not worth debating this with you until you become more realistic about the world.

trump won't let that happen.

filthy barbarians have no arguement

haha too late faggot, too late

> $350 billion of investment into nuclear energy and nuclear plants is a waste and won't benefit everybody or the economy
> 9 of the 20 largest energy-producing hydroelectric dams is a waste and won't benefit everybody or the economy
> The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor which will provide a massive free trade boost to both countries, massively increase Chinese investment, and grant China access to Afghanistan and perhaps the most rich mineral reserves of Lithium and other industrially valuable mineral resources is a waste and won't benefit everybody or the economy

Look, that argument works to a point, when you're dealing with corruption and make-work programs like bridges to nowhere, etc., but China is literally building tools which will serve as the foundation of a level of sustained economic growth not seen in the history of the planet and it can't be denied in many cases.

China the landmass has always existed, sure. But China, as in the people? No way, fag.
Han Chinese were considered vermin who were lower than dogs less than 200 years ago. There were stories of their bodies piling up so high as to create mountains of their corpses.

The only reason the current demographics of China even exists is because of the Great Leap Forward, a movement that's less than a hundred years old.

Good luck competing with a country of 1.5 billion people in which the average person is smart enough to be an engineer or high-level technician and possibly 1 out of every five or ten people could be a competent physicist or mathematician.

>Proud Asian Supremacist detected

Oh wow, I haven't seen you in YEARS
Where the fuck have you been, man?

Is there anything developed (not manufacured) in china that the west actually buys?

I remember their foray into the western auto industry, the consumer safety board didn't even have a score low enough for how bad it failed.

They don't give much of a shit about safety or regulations in China because they are willing to sacrifice it and their individual quality of life because they philosophically believe in and are willing to sacrifice them for the collective economic good of the country. Nobody really seriously believes that China's quality of life in the near-future or 20-30 years on will rival that of Australia or Sweden, but they don't care about that, what matters is their economic power and ability to dictate affairs on their national terms.

Chinas in their 1920s right now, the 30s are gonna be rough.