Universal Basic Income

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Reminder: It is possible. There is a trial right now in Finland for it.

All White NEETS deserve basic necessities!

PRAISE TRUMP

GOD EMPEROR OF NEETS WORLDWIDE

Finnish fags, how easily could I live as a full-time NEET with this income?

COME ON WE NEED SOMEONE TO TELL US

Won't happen.

Yeah right. And what makes you think it would be white only. Saged.

you mean i could earn 20 rupees/hour?

All Commies will hang. Fuck you, OP.

test it all you want neets.

LMAOing at yur life

Its not communism, it will save money. From the article:
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Although he has so far been silent about the threat of automation, the President shows at least four distinct traits that makes us think he might pull an epic surprise and implement UBI when we’re least expecting it.

First, Trump has a self-assured personality, which means he won’t be easily swayed or influenced by people pushing their own special interests. Second, he always speaks his mind, and is not afraid of going against what everyone else thinks. After all, his appeal lies in his radical departure from how traditional politics is done. Third, he likes to think big, and UBI — which according to an analysis by Charles Murray, would have had as of 2014 an annual cost of about $200 billion cheaper than the current cruel welfare system we have. By 2020, notes Murray, “it would be nearly a trillion dollars cheaper” — is certainly a big move. Lastly, Trump is loyal to no other group but to the US of As. His slogan basically says it all – ‘Make America Great Again!’

If Trump decides that basic income will be good for the U.S., then it’s a safe bet he’ll make it happen.

Canada might be getting neetbux too

basic income is institutionalized slavery and will lead to a one party system as the huge mass of proles pledge allegiance to whichever party gives them permanent gimmiedats, completely ignorant to the fact that they are essentially giving up all their political power in exchange.

If you were willing to live in a shiity place like Detroit you could live a comfy life in a big house on basic income.

It's basically a social engineering scheme to gentrify the black cities with endless hordes of white NEETs.

Reminder that basic income will be a necessity once automation takes over

You're a fucking retard.

UBI is yet another in a long line of false buzzwords from the Commies to sell Communism to America, the bastion of market Capitalism and the pinnacle of Western Philosophy. You're a faggot and probably a Jew if you want any form of UBI. And you're definitely a fucking Commie.

Fuck you, OP. You fucking Commie.

ontario, canada is getting it soon.

they already did a trial in Manitoba.

the effects where:

-lifted people over the poverty line
-less homeless
-better educated population
-boost to the economy because people had a bit more spending money
-better general health of the public
-less crime
-less drugs with the exception of weed. weed went up which desu, is fine
-unemployment rate went down due to better education

negatives:

-there was some free loaders
-no social benefits and government handouts for autism and welfare
essentially, basic income works, it has been tried an a few places all over the world but has only been stopped by either un educated people or globalist for various reasons that support their agenda.

taxes might go up a bit but at the end of they day you are getting more money back anyways, unless you are filthy rich, then it doesnt really matter to you if you pay a little more in taxes, unless you are a globalist.

I may be gay, and I may be a Jew, but I am not a communist!

ok I agree with it to a point

But I think it should only be just enough to keep someone alive. Im not going to pay for your internet connection and cell phone with my tax dollars while you eat tendies because your too fucking lazy to even try to get a job.

Its incentivizing laziness imo.

yeah... no....

there are far more important issues that will take the publics eye, and the media will ensure it.

Basic income is a must. Most Trump supporters and cuckservatives have no clue about money and the fact that it literally comes from thin air.

The left should have ran with it recently, they would have won easily.

Canada already bleeds it's people dry with taxes.

is it countrywide or only selected provinces?

>wanting your fellow whites to slave away for the corporate jew

gee whiz better we all pull ourselves by the bootstraps and twerk hard to make our bosses more money :^)

Fuck you, Commie.

If you want any form of any type of UBI, you're a Commie. Fuck you.

Fuck you, Australian Commie. Outback Gulags when? Send in the Emus when?

I honestly thought that ROBOT POWERED LUXURY COMMUNISM was a reddit meme.

WILL TRUMP COME THROUGH FOR THE NEETS WHO SECURED HIS PRESIDENCY?!

thats literally what basic income is for.... if you are already working than you will make a big bonus though. so in the end its a win for the average joe, and a loss for the rich.

the tests were only for certain areas, But they are looking to implement it country wide.

>taking away wealth from those who produce it and giving it away to leeches will surely boost the economy! trust me, goy!

lmao sure

It's not Communism. Communism would be the seizing of private assets and making them the states property. Communism would be making it illegal for the private sector to prosper.

UBI would repeal and replace our current welfare system. Think of it as money already being spent, but being spent better. Less bureaucracy.

It also won't be disincentive for regular workers to become leeches. You would get UBI even though you have a job. It's essentially a bonus.

My personal main concern is the following:

1. Businesses know people have basic income. Start charging more.
2. People start demanding more gimmedats, and taxes raise higher and higher forever as they expand the UBI system.
3. Whichever party launches UBI will get credit for it for the next 200 years. Same as when Lyndon B. Johnson said he'd have Niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years. A dangerous proposal.

I don't think it's possible to have a timeline THAT good but then again there is pic related.

Can any (non-larping) economist give the run-down on whether it would actually work?

I guess prices will increase to somewhere in the middle, so that those who work take about half of the hit, and money will be worth half as much. So UBI will essentially be worth about half of however much is given out after inflation.

>tax people more for UBI which is just welfare
>taking assets from people in taxation
>not communism

maybe we should call it feudalism instead.

Won't ever happen. Human extinction is magnitudes higher in probability than full automation.

Things might go okay at the start,
but then people will realize that they don't need to work,
they don't need to think,
they don't need to create.

user was right: it's the death of ambition,it's the slow decay of humanity.

Better than a minimum wage

>it will save money
lmao

>UBI is implemented
>lazy fucks drop out of the work force and become full time consumers
>employers: OH FUCK
>wages for those willing to work skyrocket/mass automation developed and deployed

it literally is a minimum wage

speak for you self, i have only ever worked at 2 places. i only make 45k a year, i have never been in the negative, never had any debt, got a pretty laid back job, i bank about 1k a week.

i literally cant fathom how people go into debt... i dont understand, even if i wanted to i dont think i could spend that much money or else my apartment would be full.

the big difference though was i didnt go to collage or university. instead i worked a bit, saved a bunch of money for a couple of years and then bam, retirement taken care of with investments (mostly to weed companies... (i have made 57k so far from 3k (over the course of a year)))

the tax here is doesn't make much of a difference to me. also i live in ontario so.... we get taxed pretty hard

You have that backwards. With out the need to work, People will pursue their passions and hobbies, Creation, innovation, arts, entertainment etc will skyrocket. and so will education.

#NEETSFORTRUMP

that's not the golden ratio that's a fibonacci spiral

you misunderstand humanity.

produce =/= as horde.

but if the alternative is welfare then it's still better than welfare in that you're no longer actively disincentivizing looking for a job by taking away the welfarebux from people that find one

Because you only made 45k. The more successful you are in Canada the harder they rape you. 45k is a comfortable tax bracket.

As bad as this sounds, in the (far or maybe near) future when most people's jobs are lost to automation, something like this will be necessary. But at that point there will have to be a deterrent to people just sitting at home plopping out kids every 9 months.

taxes are going to be lower than ever and people think we can afford to just give it away to retards with no jobs?

this will be the last grasp of the EU to convince the world that communism is good. Ok to good tier euro nations will implement UBI. It will be propped up by the European Central Bank at all costs. The US is inevitably going to be hit in the near to mix future with another financial crisis no matter what Trump does, so while we're picking up the pieces the left is going to SCREAM about how Europeans are doing better because of UBI. Of course the reality is going to be that they're literally just being permanently indebted to ECB and globalist overlords, but libshits won't understand that. Hopefully the ensuing fight is chaotic enough that Trump can just kill the Fed once and for all

Yes goy more business more money more capitalism more profits more $$$ that is the true pinnacle of the white man and white man (((philsophy)))

It's fucking Communism you dumb bastard. How is forcing people to give up their money to give to other people who don't do shit NOT seizing private assets and making them state property? You fucking retard. How?

UBI is code for Communism. That's why you see it being shilled by dumb tech STEM fags being taught by the Commie Jews in University.

UBI is Communism. No way around it.

You can start it as low as $1/month for all I care. It will eventually devolve to full on Communism. Fuck you.

>Not wanting 200 years of Trump

These aren't essentially bad things.

Shit workers will leave the work force.

Poor people will become consumers again, as they have money to buy stuff. (more customers for businesses)

Hard workers/labor will be valuable again, and corporations will have to be more competitive with pay rates. Automation WILL come, but not everything will be able to be handled by robots.

Why not make them do something somewhat productive at least? Like learning another language, simple skills like sewing, a hobby like painting or music or have them build pyramids or something. Seems like a waste honestly

Yes and no, minimum wage does not garuntee income only creates a price floor. But if we had a universal income of i.e. 10000 dollars a year, without minimum wage laws, people could work for a dollar an hour and still make enough to live on, and hopefully long term, get experience and move up the ladder

I've been living the NEET life for a year now on basic social security.

I can afford rent, utilities, food, internet, phone/laptop payments (monthly), healthcare costs and $300 worth of booze a month.

UBI is a TERRIBLE idea. Being entirely dependent on the government is pathetic and gives them entire control of your life.

>Mr Smith here posts on Sup Forums and torrents a lot of movies we better cut his income

yes.... this is true, but in the end you are still making more money than the rest if you are making more money to be taxed higher, you are still going to get rich, but you get to contribute more to help out the average joe and in turn keep the economy moving.

what happens when people dont have enough money to buy things, other than the basics. demand for those luxury things go down, so does innovation, thus degrading the quality of life for everyone including the rich.

are you retarded? do you think taxation only affects scrooge mcduck style 1% people?

Hey you can suck Commie Jew cock for all I care. I'll be waiting with my second amendment defending the founding principles of America and fight Communism beyond even my dying breaths.

God damn, now I'm all worked up.

I fucking hate Commies.

>It's fucking Communism you dumb bastard. How is forcing people to give up their money to give to other people who don't do shit NOT seizing private assets and making them state property?

I'm not saying to tax people more. I'm saying if we "have" to have welfare or UBI, UBI is preferable.

Abolishing income tax is something I'd like as well, but lets put that aside for a moment.

Let's pretend you HAVE to make a shitty choice. Would you prefer welfare, or UBI? Let's assume for the sake of argument, you HAVE to pick one, and not "neither".

Which one makes more sense, and has shown to save more money than the other?

it aint called National SOCIALISM for nothing!

Kek confirms

if loop holes are cloesed, market pricing is regulated, than yes.

can't wait, just hope ab won't be the last to implement it

in the past it was often nobility or upper classes who pursued science, so people who did not have to take on shitty jobs just to survive the month

>Commie Jew cock

as opposed to corporate jew cock?

I'll let you implement UBI after you kill every single black and mexican in the country

Plz Mr. Trump, I want to become a Hikkineet.

>You must choose between shit and shit
>Let's take something away to sell it back so you are not forced back into the shitty situation we made for you

UBI is Welfare and WILL tax you. It's just communism with a different hat.

That's what is supposed to happen, But because Canada takes such a large chunk most people in those tax brackets say fuck it and move to the US, taking their business and money with them. Ever wonder why all the business in Canada are leaving? Or all the rich people in Canada aren't IN Canada?

For example, If you make 200,000$ a year, Canada takes over 50%, so your only making 100,000. Why would anyone in their right mind put up with that?

You need a good CPA goy

Universal income would have a severe chilling effect on motivation. It would kill incentives for people to try to better themselves. Not how you make America great again

>Let's pretend you HAVE to make a shitty choice. Would you prefer welfare, or UBI? Let's assume for the sake of argument, you HAVE to pick one, and not "neither".
>Which one makes more sense, and has shown to save more money than the other?

welfare, because it is conditional.
in my opinion, welfare should be tied to mandatory public work service. you want government money, you get to work a 40 hour work week for the government in exchange for it.

>They are building the Wall in order to make sure masses of illegals don't break into America after we sign in UBI to law, because surely liberals would fight to get illegals access to UBI and implode the system.

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Just some rough estimates, Go plug some numbers into a Canadian tax calculator for a better estimate. It really is that high in most provinces.

>Automation WILL come, but not everything will be able to be handled by robots.
Automation will come with or without UBI, the problem is that the current welfare structure would never be able to handle a 30+% unemployment rate.

I'll suck that Corporate Jew cock all day long as long as I still have the fundamental opportunity to one day get my Corporate Jew cock sucked. This is what you NEETS never understand even though you're experts in not getting your dick sucked. In Communism, you never get your dick sucked. With Capitalism, you have the opportunity to one day get your dick sucked. But you gotta work hard to get your dick sucked. Commies gotta work hard but never get their dick sucked.

I mean, this is basic shit you fucking faggots.

Require all people to be employed to get it, then abolish the minimum wage

So what do you do ? You tax robots for their work ? What if I use a washing machine ? Does it have to pay taxes too ?

Literally no insensitive to do shit. It is what happens when a welfare state drinks 20 redbulls and does cocaine off a copy of the communist manifesto

>dude lets put the government in charge of centrally planning the economy lmao

great idea lmao
worked so well for soviet russia huh

Not to mention, a shit ton of welfare budget is eaten up by bureaucracy and middle management of welfare offices.

They should get rid of welfare, fire all the workers, and put those workers on UBI as they tell them to fuck off.

Dat's racist!

what the fuck does that have to do with anything I said, you leaf?

Right now, neets live with their mommies and daddies, and their parents are basically providing them with a basic income. If you give abunch of irresponsible people an independent income and they go off to live on their own off it... what happens if that income is cut off, or threatened to be cut off? Those people basically become homeless/starve to death over night if they lose their magic free money. The government suddenly has completely control over those people's lives because they are directly dependent on the whims of that government.

I still can't wait for the day he makes anime real.

I would be interested in trying something like this. Although I am one of those rare people who hate getting free gibs, I would be willing to put my moderately high wage job aside for a while to see if this could actually work. I've never had an issue getting a job before, and I feel like trying our UBI would be a considerable step down pay wise from what I currently make but it might give me the ability to go back to school and get the mechanical engineering degree I've been thinking about. Being able to solely concentrate on school rather than having to balance it with work seems like an advantage.

It would allow people to start their own businesses without having to work another job on top of that to have a place to live and a car to drive.

You force me to give you my money for the great of the common good

What if I flip it. A gay army defending the United States needs your asshole to pleasure the soldiers.

It's not my money - Its not your asshole. It's for the greater good

Now you sound retarded and gay

You aren't thinking of the good part though....

Those wastrels will use all their UBI to buy 40's and condoms. Meaning businesses will get more customers.

I would support this if by accepting it, you surrendered your right to vote.

He's going to MAGA America Great Again

>With out the need to work, People will pursue their passions and hobbies

yeah. all those negras on welfare spend most of their time inventing peanut butters, writting (rap) poetry, and creating art.

Pls be bait

In the USA pre trump, income is taxed at certain amounts at certain thresholds, so if you're income is 2000 above the 50% bracket, only that 2000 would be taxed, the highest federal bracket is around 39% but that's not including state, local, property etc

Worthless whites deserve nothing but to starve to death. Same as niggers.

>in my opinion, welfare should be tied to mandatory public work service. y

There won't be any work to perform.

80-90% of current labor is about to be automated. This isn't just manufacturing and mining, it's also any form of text-processing from legal filings to journalism. In the next 10-20 years there will be hundreds of millions of highly educated unemployed people.

We can take the eudaemonic approach and help people become more refined or let the suffer.

This is just not true. People can already sit on their ass doing nothing in Finland, yet the amount of people who exploit the welfare system like that are a minority within a minority (especially among ethnic Finns).

Now you can argue maybe it would be different in US because it's less homogeneous but that's a different conversation entirely.

wow... i didn't realize it was that low for the rich... i get taxed at 43% for 45k ish a year. im now even more convinced if you cant make ends meet, you are even more pathetic.

and i personally would put up with that, to live in a less populated country that on average has cleaner air, better water supply, better healthcare and a better world reputation.

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complete cringe. This reeks of the progressivist tendency to assume that their premise is right and draw conclusions from there (progressives believe in science and trust the universities and read reddit so you know they're the most informed guys. just trust them).

>Although he has so far been silent about the threat of a automation
and he will remain silent. Capitalists know that automation stealing jobs is a meme. Luddites have been wrong for 300 years. They aren't suddenly right now.

>he won’t be easily swayed or influenced by people pushing their own special interests
>implying the owners of capital the "special interests" that are against communism. If not for evil business owners we could finally have a utopia

>he always speaks his mind, and is not afraid of going against what everyone else thinks.
progressives assuming that they're the true victims of a PC culture because UBI is just so radical

>$200 billion cheaper than the current cruel welfare system we have
>analysis by Charles M Murray
>I don't want to bother understanding economics so here's a guy that already agreed with me
also there are a zillion better ways to reform our "safety nets" that would also be cheaper

>His slogan basically says it all – ‘Make America Great Again
America will only be great again if we become commies guys. We have no choice.


Good Lord I swear progressives get stupider by the week. Their all-in was Bernie and they got btfo. They're just running around with their heads cut off now

>I'm saying if we "have" to have welfare or UBI, UBI is preferable.

but we don't. It's a false choice.

>write law that says that once per year every person has X amount more dollars than they did the day before
>have private banks follow and implement this law

Government doesn't even have to write a check.