>Fascism is the best form of government

Then why did not a single fascist country survive the 20th century
>Germany
>Italy
>Spain
>Portugal
>Japan
>Argentina
>Chile

All became liberal democracies.

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because of the jews, or something like that, probably

China is fascist and it's winning the global economy

>but China is communist

It calls itself communist in the same way Zimbabwe calls itself democratic.

easy
because non fascist nations got nukes
that's it
nuclear power is the key

Fascism is only good provided you have a good leadership. Eventually you will have bad leadership and fascism makes it incredibly hard to get rid of bad leadership.
So no, it's a bad idea.

Constitutional Monarchy is far superior provided the upper house can't be abolished as was effectively done in the UK through the parliament act 1911.

Communism is literally fascism, just a different name.

because good things dont last, you vegan cunt

>Germany was not fascist
>Spain was not fascist
>Portugal was not fascist
>Japan was not fascist
>Argentina was not fascist
>Chile was not fascist

Reactionaries != fascists

Singapore is fascist and just about the most peaceful prosperous Han nation.

They just suck big kike wiener in terms of finance so they're left alone.

In Spain because Franco died and people trusted and wanted democracy
Not like it collapsed

Franco was not a Fascist, he hated Fascists. He refused to even let the Germans attempt to resuce the Fascist leader Rivera.

Fascist in some ways, not in others. It doesn't have the militarism, charismatic leadership or state-worship of what most people call Fascism.

The Chinese government wants to keep quiet and not cause any trouble while it makes money, not Make The Han Empire Great Again.

This. Not to mention the constant internal purges mean you're progressively weeding out competent people with spines in favour of cocksuckers.

>Japan
>liberal democracy

Isn't the definition of "liberal democracy" when a country does not discriminate people based on race? Japan does this heavily and is very xenophobic.

But that's not patriotism.

Wrong, there is no government in communist society, and without government you can't be fascist

>It doesn't have the militarism, charismatic leadership or state-worship of what most people call Fascism

This is a new kind of shitposting: shitposting that only works on people who know what they're talking about.

Fascist economies are conflict-based, so they burn themselves out and piss off too many citizens and foreign governments.

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fucking lost my shit

Thats the dumbest thing anyone this board has said today.

Mmm mmm o dear

Everyone knows why

The Jew

Fascism isn't even anti-semetic, there Jews who were founder members of the Fascist party in Italy.

> Implying there are true liberal democracies left
Every country that matters has a population which has very little power over its government, and whose primary mover is essentially a shadow government composed of powerful men whom the average populace know next to nothing about and who have zero influence over. Face it, we're essentially Fascist in that this elite technocracy basically controls our countries and we just play by their rules, we've reinvented nobility only under the influence of modern scientific methods and capitalism.

We pretty much are Fascist or Technocratic anyway you look at it with maybe a couple of small exceptions. At least all of the largest and most financially powerful countries are universally, such success attracts capital and power which ends up ruling the government behind abstractions they create.

It's not, you should look up the definition of communism. You're mistaking it to socialism. Then again you're American so I understand that your education sucks. Don't worry, it's not your fault that you're a dumb ass.

No, not at all, you're providing ammunition for the American Education meme

stop shit Cletus. Communism is the "people's dictatorship", it's literally the opposite of Fascism

OP is a MASSIVE faggot.

because they lost wars
unlike the commie countries who nearly all collapsed due to abysmal economic and social planning, the main flaw of fascist countries is they piss everyone near them off.

being hated isn't truly a flaw with your method of government

only government types that COLLAPSE are valid for this meme

Totalitarian =\= fascist. Fascism isn't just a government with unchecked control of her its citizenry, it has other specific, hyper aggressive attributes. If modern China were a bee Nazi Germany would be a wasp.

that is anarchism idiot

>It doesn't have the militarism, charismatic leadership or state-worship of what most people call Fascism.
please kill yourself

but it worked
they just were defeated by bigger countries

I have this theory that every white guy has an urge to do a nazi thèmed orgies.

Can anyone confirm this?

You know you're using a device this very second that can be used to educate yourself BEFORE vomiting ignorance like a retarded baby spitting up.

communism is anarchist ideology. It doesn't have government, borders or currency.
I know right ringers tend to be quite "simple" but c'mon now, if you're going to talk then at least have basic understanding of the topic. USSR didn't call themselves communist, they called themselves socialist.

> China doesn't have state worship
Uh, they're pretty close to bordering on it, their extreme submission to authority atm borders on the creepy.
> China doesn't have militarism
This is definitely debatable, I'd say it's wrong for sure, even going into the past during Mao's regime, not to mention their arming and teching up now militarily.

Regardless, the flag means that this is probably a shitpost.

You don't know anything about communist theory or philosophy. It's cancer, but you don't know anything about it if you make a comment like that and should refrain from commenting on it further.

>finland wants to be the new leaf
what a surprise

The constant saber rattling, exerting military pressure on countries like Vietnam, Philippines, Korea, and Japan, venerating its military and treating it as a landed elite, having close state-private enterprise cooperation and a centralized market strategy based around national advancement at foreign expense has nothing to do with fascist policy.

>no government in communist society
commies believe this

you really fucking uneducated right?
>communism is anarchist ideology
actually the other way around
>It doesn't have government, borders or currency
keep talking about anarchism
>USSR didn't call themselves communist, they called themselves socialist
because socialism isn't communism AT ALL desu

>words aren't real, you guys!
>you guys -you guys LISTEN- words used specifically to describe a thin- you guys! To describe a thing doesn't mean that that thing fits that description you guys! Red isn't red, you guys! It's just Low Spectrum!


God fucking damnit, user

Communism is the end result of pure anarchism and is completely, 100% compatible with anarchism, it's viewed as the ideal end goal of most anarchists/anarchist theorists and philosophers.

> What is Anarcho-Communism

Because they were a huge threat to the Jewish monopoly on the established status quo.

It's no coincidence (((they))) went after South Africa,Spain and Argentina as all 3 sheltered/employed National Socialists after the war. Those countries were all stable,prosperous and secure. Now look at them.

Say its all.

Fascism works but its so horrible that people want to change the goverment.

Anarcho-Communists do, Jesus, for a guy whose country spawned the CNT-FAI you'd think you'd know better.

Spain and Portugal changed governments without any military pressure from outside. Franco even got aid from the US to stop the commies.

Not an argument. Just admit that you don't know anything about the topic and would rather spout Sup Forums memes.

Also not an argument. Read about communism and its definition.

Also not an argument. Save your face at this point and admit that you don't know anything about it, you look quite retarded now.

again, anarchism comes from communism, not the other way around

For the same reason the communists didn't.

We along with a handful of supporters (UK, France, Yourself and your neighbors) conspired to sabotage and destroy them through various means.

And we succeeded.

>All became liberal democracies.
OY GOYN! STOP ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS... THERE IS NOTHING YOU NEED TO DO, all you need is democracy and be a good goy.

Fascism or what you call it can go too far, this makes the population want reform and revolution and eventually they become some "liberal shithole" or run buy some millitary government

that's because they saw what happened to hitler. also willful change isn't the same as collapsing

>Germany
Never been fascist - it was socialist with some bizarre pagan bullshit and a mix of eugenic racism mixed in.
>Italy
Italians.
>Spain
Survived, thrived, kept out of war and clamped down on the murdering insanity of the far-left. The fascists kept the country safe and stable and organised a planned and legal change in government power with the return of the monarchy and democracy.
>Portugal
Fascists kept Portugal out of the war and safe and stable. Pretty peaceful transformation ot democracy too.
>Japan
Was never fascist.
>Argentina
Was never fascist. Was repeatedly under the control of economically incompetent leftist military juntas which are arbitrarily described as 'fascist' simply because the far-left decides not to like them even though they follow identical economic policies and institute identical political structures/restrictions on civil liberties.
>Chile
Fascists kept the insane and murderous far-left out, revived the country which had been run into the ground by socialists, reorganised the economy to make Chile the only Latin American 1st world country, Pinochet then voluntarily (Sadly) gave up power and oversaw peaceful return to democracy.

>constant and popular criticism and protest of Israeli expansionism and Zionism.
>we're not allowed to criticize them because I can't say "kike" in public without being called an asshole!

Your mom jeans are showing

Fascism isn't a "Form of Government", but merely a possible property which a government (but not only governments) can have - thus your prerequisite is already false.

Also not sure what you want to tell us with the "liberal" in "liberal democracies". Lookign at germany, it's less much "liberal" (in the literal sense of the word) but more something of a "social" democracy (even then, the social aspekt doesn't really have anyhting to do with the democracy aspect, but with the way our state handles laws, welfare and the regulation of our markets).

There is a great difference though in what 'liberal' actually means and what kind of people are called (or call themselves) "liberal" today. Most selfproclaimed liberals would actively impede the rights of those disagreeing with their views - in the name of "social jsutice" or "moral superiority". Either by illegally barging into paid speeches (while having the audacity to call actively preventing others from speaking out their thoughs as "their own right of free speech") oder working politically to create new institutions or laws to make "shutting their oponents up" more easy. Thats exactly the kind of thing fascists would do...

>Germany
Lost world war 2 but even if it managed to fight longer it probably would have been nuked.
>Italy
Again lost world war 2
>Spain
Only did not lose world war 2 because it did not fight it and Franco selected a shitty king.
>Portugal
Wars in Africa.
>Japan
Enola gay
>Argentina
Idk
>Chile
And no one gives a fuck about a country named after food.

what not an argument? you litterally defined communism with anarchist ideals, but i'm the one not having a basic understanding of the topic? KEK

Of couse communism is "stateless" meaning you have to create new class that controls a giant state to seize every mean of production and keep people from being capitalist or fleeing the nation.
Then invading all nations so there's no communist free nation in the planet.
And then when you have a global state controlling everything, for some reason, the state will decide to disolve itself once everyone has the same and communism has been achieved, a "classless stateless society".
The question being, how will they stop new nations from forming and using capitalism?
They won't be capable without a state so a stateless comunism is an oximoron.
It always have been, the scam of the century, that's communism.

No, you're wrong, the original Anarchist philosopher was Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, who published Property is theft! (La propriété, c'est le vol!) in 1840, considered the progenitor of all contemporarily recognized Anarchist theory/literature/philosophy. The Communist Manifesto wasn't published by Marx until 1848.

Marx was much more strongly influenced by Proudhon than vice-versa, Proudhon barely even knew Marx was until very late into his life.

you're shitposting
>communism is anarchist ideology.
communism: a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.
anarchism: belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.
>USSR didn't call themselves communist
>marxist-leninist
>not communist
>governed by the Communist Party with Moscow as its capital.
leafs are better at this

>Read about communism and its definition.
No read this instead >CNT-FAI
The ones that destroy the republic? Please.

>implying there is a single neo-nazi that clean cut and handsome

>Jeremy "Venezuela is the shining example of social democracy we should all strive for" Corbyn

''good things never last''

they have ideological contacts but still anarchism is the extreme radical form of communism, i'm not even talking about which was invented first, but what is the "base" and what the "extreme" evolution.
it's totally about ideology, not chronology

If you read the Communist Manifesto or any serious Communist Theory/Philosophy the end goal and desire of communism is a stateless, anarchist society.

By "liberal" I meant freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, etc.

wich is a lie because inmediately after the communist state would disolve new nations with capitalism would rise so it would've been uselss
that's just a gimmick to make anarchist support communism
a stateless anarchist society is impossible
if it's stateless and anarchist it's not a society as it would be crushed inmediately by a non anarchist non statelss society

Well it's not a lie, it's what they believe, it's not a lie because it's never been tried before for them to examine if it's true or not. I mean it's honestly retarded and almost certainly wouldn't happen that way and you'd be guaranteed to get some entity isomorphic to a state, but I was never saying that I believed in or supported communism as a good or effective political philosophy, I'm just saying that politically and philosophically it is completely compatible with anarchism.

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HURR DURR

because russians outnumbered everyone

>Well it's not a lie, it's what they believe
It has been tried and the USSR failed and new nations were created with levels of capitalism
Communism is a scam no matter how you look at it

Yeah pretty much this
Also America's industrial capacity dwarfed everyone else besides possibly Russia

Fascism has never collapsed by itself it's always fallen due to external influences. External influences always being the combined world powers uniting due to Jewish influence in banking and media.

>the end goal and desire of communism is a stateless, anarchist society.
that's like claiming the end goal is equal distribution of wealth, a nonsensical meme because how communism goes about itself is the opposite: total orgazination of society through the state. similar to fascism

They were subverted by a more powerful Fascist nation, America. They did t become Liberal Democracies, they became Vassal States with Managed Democracies. Germany can't even change its constitution without American approval. Look it up pleb.

I literally never saw anyone on here say that

I'm not opposed to fascism but that's kind of a meme argument which could be used by anybody who supported any ideology with unfavorable outcomes when implemented. A communist could say that communism only collapsed due to external influences and then come up with some rationalization/explanation for it.

Fascists were defeated by Conservatives (Night of the Long Knives) not Jews.

There were hardly any Fascists left after 1938.

We are always fleeing the extremes. Currently we are fleeing the Left, so being Right works because it takes us to the Centre. We will then overshoot the mark and OP will be correct. We'll notice this at about 2030-2050. We want to be in the Centre and have results decide our actions. But we aren't sufficiently developed yet.

We should computer model history. Then make decisions based on what outcome we want and how that was achieved in the past. Humans react the same way to the same stimuli on the whole generally.

Japan wasn't fascist, it was a semi constitutional monarchy, fascism is before everything a revolution ideology, but in japan's case there was no revolution, the emperor simply sided with the Axis.
Also japan isn't really a "liberal democracy" in the full meaning of the word but this is just semantics.

>Named after food
What?

liberal democracy is the best form of government

t. civic nationalist

>hurr durr authoritarianism/collectivism is always fascist
Burger education. You probably think National Socialism was socialist too.

Singapore is a fascist state YOU overwhelming numdrum

It was until Hitler sided with the Army and killed the left wing elements.

The only countries that could be considered Fascist on that list are Germany and Italy, both of which were suppressed by force

This

The Strasserites weren't left wing?

chile was not facist. Pinochet lost an ELECTION, to someone with different views. they generally don't have those in facist countries

Yes but they weren't at all involved in the NSDAP when it came to power and started implementing actual policies.

NatSoc was originally heavily Socialist/Left-Wing economically but became much more moderate when Hitler got rid of the Strasser brothers and gave their followers an ultimatum to get out or conform.

authoritarianism isn't necessarily part of fascism, the style of government that emerges draws on a people's history and national character

Well during most of his reign the country didn't have elections and it came pretty close to qualifying as Fascist, definitely so in most Normies' meme definitions.

Hey dumbass Spain wasn't involved in ww2.

America pushed democracy and warred with the biggest dictatorships
flat out only reason
everything would've ended differently if America didn't start a fight with the Japs as an excuse to invade Germany and fund the commies

Hitler seemed to think it was

>tfw your government is so efficient that the entire world unites to destroy you
my heart goes out to them

Fascism is only the best form of government when someone infallible, like our intellectual and racial superior Barack Hussein Obama, leads it.

> this is what liberals actually believe
> don't take my word for it, ask any liberal yourself whether a perfect leader that always wins 100% is better than one that doesn't even win 50% of them