Seize the means of production

Seize the means of production
Do it
Now

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i grabbed my hands and nothing happened

The memes of production?

Already doing that, comrade

Blow the White house up.
Do it
Now

Jump out of a helicopter
Do it
Now

>seize the means of production
>by giving it to the government

How do people get memed on so hard?

This is the part I'll never get about this twisted fucking ideology.

Give it to the workers. NOW.

>pepe blurred from image rescaling
communists truly deserve death

Okay, I have my means of production in hand, should I start stroking?

At least I'm not Canadian, you would have given a blowjob to that frog already.

iPhone stores?

I seized the means of transportation. Now what?

SEIZE
I
Z
E

GIVE THE STORE TO THE WORKERS KILL THE BOSSES

Now give it to the workers.

Watch Stefan Molyneux.
Do it
Now

The problem is that he understands BASIC ECONOMICS but not more advanced economics.

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Ok I did it. What now?

Instructions unclear, put thousands of workers into mass grave

Give it to the workers.

Because it wasn't supposed to be that way. Then again expecting workers to be able to share the fruits of the labor is unrealistic to say the least.

I personally think the Scandinavian (+Finland) model of having free market economies with big social programs (including limited wealth redistribution) is the closest you'll ever get to a working socialist utopia.

The problem is that to function these systems need trust which is in high supply when the population is homogeneous but will gradually fall to almost non-existent as it becomes more diverse.

Marx was wrong about many things. But market economy really is bad for society.

tread on me and I'll end you

Were they kuklaks?

>we hate the capitalist 1% so god damned much REEEEEEE
>I know, lets transfer power to the Jewish political 1% instead
How autistic can do you have to be to buy this meme?

Let's not pretend siezing the means of production has a logical interpretation in the first place

>walk into mcdonalds
>...this is mine now

What the fuck? What is the mechanism for siezing the means of production and why would I want it?

Stupid.

Planned economy turned out to be worse so there's that.

Lets not do either and let the workers self manage their own workplace.

I mean, it started out that way but it was too fun so I just started killing anyone who I didn't like. This of course made more enemies, so I had to remove them too.

I fucking hate commies.

>muh da joos meme
quite lame

> let the workers self manage their own workplace.
what the fuck does that mean? You commies just say stupid bullshit to put yourself on 'the other side' of the argument, but NOTHING YOU SAY MAKES ANY SENSE

What does self managing your own workplace mean? Who fucking decides who works at the place, nigger? Do a thousand peasants just bumrush a place of employment and whoever is physically in the building at the time gets the money?

You are FUCKING stupid. NONE OF THIS MEANS ANYTHING. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COMMUNISM. PICKING A FRUIT OFF A TREE IS CAPITALIZING.

Instead of having a boss they all vote democratically on what to do without state intervention.

ok

Because Stalin tried to set prices centrally instead of locally, not because of it being planned. You think gambling is good for society?

one hand job girl is all a city needs
oh wait

>they all vote democratically
So they VOTE on who is going to TAKE A CHUNK OF THEIR MONEY

great. you're a cock sucker.

They absolute worst thing is they could do this right now, there is nothing stopping a bunch of commies from starting a coop but they are all lazy fucking thiefs that want to steal

Lel, they won't be difficult to beat in the market.

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Marx never had a job. Mooched off rich friend. Just like a nigger.

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Coops don't work in capitalism.
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No you CAN'T do this because it's FUCKING STUPID

>seize the means of production
>kill old boss
>workplace is now yours
>vote to be the one who gets the most money
>get a good night's sleep
>go to work tomorrow but the production got siezed by a new group of people. No money for you today.
>no one wants to eat at a mcdonalds where the employees keep killing eachother

good job, faggot. you've mastered economics.

>Seize the means of production

We don't even produce anything anymore.
We produce comments.

>Seize the means of production
>Do it
>Now

you are using a means production

do some work you commie faggit

Lol
O
L

The next thing to say is, "well, if coops can't compete with regularly run business, the obvious solution is to force every business to be a coop"
And here I wonder what exactly is to be gained by this worldwide enforcement of equality.

I am not talking about "seizing" anything. They could pool their capital together and start their own business or buy out their own workplace. But they don't
>Cartoon depiction of evil pig boss
top fucking kek

once every company is a coop and the economy is planned they won't have to make money just for the boss so they will make more money for less work and make up for the lack of efficiency. If I make a pie for my boss and he sells it for 15 dollars and uses five to pay for the materials and he give me five and pockets the rest then I have been stolen from. We want to stop that so everyone can keep the products of their own labor.

>They could pool their capital together and start their own business or buy out their own workplace.
Oh, my bad. I really despise communism and people who even talk about it. Since 10 seconds of thought brings the entire philosophy crashing down, I assume naturally people do it for attention- and seeing youtube videos of people discussing communist philosophy for sometimes hours DESPITE the entire pretense being false enrages me.

Commies should just die. If they're not specifically evil, they're just too dumb to live.

Yes!
Destroy the upper middle classes so that they cannot challenge the ruling classes!
Do it peasant!

>buy stocks
>own part of the means of production

That was easy.

>implying it was """Russian""" revolution
>implying it wasn't a overthrowing of the government by Jewish political outsiders
Stay memed on, friend :^)

The only thing I'm seizing is you filthy commies

>If I make a pie for my boss and he sells it for 15 dollars and uses five to pay for the materials and he give me five and pockets the rest then I have been stolen from.
Yea, no. I reject that. Marx has an overly generous definition of "worker's product of labor". He does not account for the risk the owner undergoes in putting his property to use, or what obtaining it cost him. The workers merely risk their time. Owner can go bankrupt.

If we all recognized that workers were entitled to the "full product of their labor" as Marx defined it, there would be no incentive to start a business, thus, a poorer economy, and a small tax base to finance a military for self defense. We would shortly be BTFO by any nearby state not hobbling themselves.

Also planned economies don't work.

>planned economy's don't work
But capitalists all ready do economic planning that works. Google black rock.

Also doesn't account for the owner's skill in ensuring that his property is used in an actually fruitful way. He is more likely than the workers to think about the business's long term viability because, finding himself in his position, he is more likely than them to have a low-time preference psychology.

leninism =/= marxism

But the workers jobs depend on the companies success so I don't see how they would be worse.

In limited amounts, sure. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. There needs to be failure to punish people with unrealistic expectations.

>they wuzn't doin it right
>muh perfect form of communism has never been tried
It's all just shitposting the same stupid meme user.

>If we all recognized that workers were entitled to the "full product of their labor" as Marx defined it, there would be no incentive to start a business thus, a poorer economy [...]

And if a worker decides to build a machine to multiply his own output and build more widgets, the community can decide overnight that he doesn't have a right to control who uses it, because as soon as someone can do something useful with this product, the "full product of his labor" is mystically imbued with the taint of private property, and may now be justly seized.

An organization of highly skilled workers with delicate, expensive, sensitive equipment has no defence against the rest of the communist drones who think that nobody is entitled to prevent retards from using their equipment. This is true whether it's the state doing the seizing, or a stateless organization of workers.

I've only seen one communist actually acknowledge that this is a recipe for technological stagnation, believing that the current state of technology is an environmental disaster anyway and that we've gone too far. The communists who think that everyone can still have iPhones and hot running water under communism truly have not thought it through. Much like anclaps.