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It leaves out the drop in demand for Jose's avocados and the rising demand for Terry's avocados. Thus decreasing the US trade deficit and increasing the US tax base.

We invade Mexico. We kill Jose. John buys a plot of land down there and grows and sells White Made avocados for 5$.

In reality the tax is absorbed by both the firm and consumer

Jose sells $6 avocados and Jim sells $5 avocados.

Or Jose sells $4 avocados and cuts his loss and complains to his government

either way Jose is fucked.

>avocados only grow in mexico
literally have an avocado tree growing in my bedroom in the middle of winter.

>Tax on Jose's avocados make's Joe's avocados same price.
>why not buy american avocado
>Jose can't sell his avocados.
>We pay extra to put jose out of business
>worth every penny

This. José cannot sell it for six dollars as nobody is going to buy it so he ends up selling it for 5.20 $, so his margin will be 80 cents less than before.

This.
Jose doesn't sell shit, because american avocados are much cheaper, and we put money back in our own economy.

Trump wins!!!

3. Now Jose sells the avocado to John for $5 + 20%
4. John calls this bullshit and buys an Guatemalan avocado for $5 instead and phones IHS
5. Jose has to go back.
6. Mexico has to sell at a loss to pay for wall.

Liberals only understand how taxes are passed down when they're border taxes but think raising taxes on corporations and increasing the minimum wage will have no increase in prices

Why didn't Jose just sell at $6 from the beginning, if he could charge that much?

hmmmmm

>you must destroy the future of this country with corporate globalist cult shit (that actively brags about disempowering and abandoning your people in favor of unsypathetic foreigners), lest you pay one doller extra to enforce the most basic laws

No one would buy it if it cost that much, thus why OP's argument is invalid.

s-shut up! DRUMPF is STUMPFED!

none of this matters because the price of goods has factors outside of mexishit regulations

>Avocados are an inelastic good
>MEXICAN avocados
Eh I take it that whoever came up with this macro doesn't know basic economics.

This is the only correct answer.

>john buys homegrown or avocados from someplace else as jose's avos arent the cheapest on the market
>jose loses his primary market
>puts pressure on his elected representative to pay for the wall so the tariff disappears
>wall is built, mexico pays for it
>jose can go back to selling his cheap as shit avos in usa

Thats just common sense bro beans

>Americans
>being able to get off their disgusting fat asses long enough to produce food

You get a 5/10 for making me respond. Be careful when you fuck with your food supply because that's what killed millions of people in the Soviet Union :^)

My take is 20% of $6 is not $1.

1. Jose in Mexico tries to sell an avocado to John in America for a 20% markup.
2. John tells Jose to go fuck himself and buys avocados from Lucas in California instead.
3. The rise in demand for Californian avocados creates hundreds of new agricultural jobs in America.
4. Due to lack of demand and the extremely limited shelf life of avocados, Mexican farmers are forced to either find a new market, which will result in higher transportation costs, or find new jobs.

Because Jose is a honest worker

>john buys an avocado from california for $4 because of the 20% increase,
>Jose is still a dirt poor beaner

Underrated KeK

can you even grow anything up there in that frozen barren shithole?

farmer john can now sell his avo's for $5.50 and still make a decent profit.

John buys from farmer john.

Jose starves to death.

Mexico pays for the wall.

The end.

fpbp

Who cares. Like taxpayer dollars have ever been spent wisely. If America exists a 100 years from now that Wall will be worth every penny. Reminds me of wwz. When savages exist and every liberal faggot thinks the World is full of good people.

Jose in Mexico sells an avocado in the US for $5
John in the US sells an avocado in the US for $5

Trump imposes a 20% import tax for Mexico

Jose has two choices.
A. Sell his avocados at $6 to pass along the cost to the consumers.
B. Sell his avocados at $5 to stay competitive and absorb the tariff.

In scenario A, fewer people buy Mexican avocados, making the US economy more robust.

In scenario B, the same number of people buy Mexican avocados but also fund the wall.

Another scenario, C, Jose goes out of business and John can raise his price to $7 without competition, generating more tax revenue and economic activity.

It wouldn't if we kept buying mexican avocados because mexico would still be making them for cheaper. It would raise prices on goods & services that America exports like vehicles and vehicle parts, electronics, medical equipment, oil and plastics, which would disproportionately impact developed countries which have more vehicles and electronics per capita and better health care. It would have fucked Canada and Europe the most I think.

>20% of 6 is 1

I only take infographics seriously when they comprehend basic math.

Jose used to sell an avocado at five dollars, undercutting the six dollar avocados grown locally. Trump imposes a 20% tax, and now Jose sells his avocados at comparable rates. He sells less avocados, as it's now competing with locally grown avocados. Jose decides not to export as many avocados.

How about:

1. Trump imposes a 20% border tax

2. Jose continues to sell his avocado for $5

3. Approx $1 of that goes to Trump to build the wall

4. Jose cant go over the wall.

5. America gets it jobs back

6. Eight years later not a Jose in sight

7. Crime goes down.

8. The world becomes a better place

false.

You are considering a buy sell economy with 2 agents. One buys one sells.


Now, let me propose you this. Peru sells avocadoes for 5.01 dollars. Mexico sells at 5.

Now what?

Learn basic economics fucking idiot. THe moment you increase the price, everyone will buy Peruvian Avocadoes.

>American education

OP doesn't know what inelastic goods are
OP doesn't think anybody will find a different supplier.

Yes world population grows exponentially. There is only a finite amount of resources the Earth has and can produce. Keep breeding like dogs and the World will die. No religion will save you.

>Americans buy local avocados that are still priced at $5
>Jose has to lower his price to stay competitive
>Jose now makes $4 and $1 goes to the wall

Jose is gonna have to sell a lot of fucking avocados to pay for that wall then.

why is everyone talking about avocados?

Nice shitpost Justin. Can't wait for until we march on you for 1812 and rake every alcoholic syrup slipper in your shitty country.

>>In scenario B, the same number of people buy Mexican avocados but also fund the wall.
how is that money going to the wall though.

Who's going to pick the avocados?

This. Mexico pays in loss.
/thread.

>not realizing this
>sells for 5
>tariff for 20% = 1
>guess what, the tariff isnt for selling its for importing retard
>get btfo'd jose paid the tariff, if he increases the price to compensate he goes out of business

Hawaii produces a superior tasting avocado breed.

>we get any meaningful amount of needed food from Mexico.

>also not realising we give them 60 million free dollars we can use on the wall
>ultra lul
>then mexico an heros itself

>It leaves out the drop in demand for Jose's avocados and the rising demand for Terry's avocados.

Ok.

Then how does mexico pay for the wall?

Because they're delicious.

You forgot
>John refuses to buy the Avocado from Jose for $6 because it is a rip off
>Instead he buys it from Samuel for $5.10
>Jose starves to death

That's the truth of what this is. He's holding Mexico hostage till he gets what he wants

Also the border tax will still raise the price of avocados. Even if it makes Terry's avocados profitable at $5.50 we still have to pay 50 cents more for avocados.

And now jose isn't selling his avocados so the amount of money we're making off of mexico dwindles. Using last year's numbers, there was 295 billion dollars of imports Charging a 20% tax on that seems like it will make just under 60 billion, except that demand for mexican services drops so suppose it goes down to 100 billion, then we're only making 20 billion off of them.

...

That would still pay for the wall in a year.

Well, okay, I guess it makes sense. But violating trade pacts and destroying relationships seems like a bad idea?

Where did (((Samuel))) get the avocado?

allow me to play devil avocado

They pay for the wall after the losses become less worth taking than just paying for it.

We would ravage your ladyboy troops, gringo. We would have to find extra storage space for all the heads of wet behind the ears tough guys whos last sight would almost certainly be being propped against a dusty brick wall in Michoacan forced to watch the guy he went through boot camp with and one night followed into the shitter after a few too many Irish Car Bombs and chilled Jager shots at O'Gradys Irish Pub and Grill off base and gave him an unfettered and unprotected all access backstage pass to his virgin boipussy be unceremoniously yet efficiently disassembled via Stihl MS310 chainsaw.

He'll watch in horror as the man who he slept in the bunk under has his limbs and head removed and tossed into neatly organized stacks of like limbs and heads from others bois in the squad. They'll stare in horror when they see the small but growing pile of small dicks they'd removed, some of which he'll fondly remember throbbing and filling his base wide known asscunt before Trump sent them to Mexico to tangle with the Cartels.

He'll watch with great sadness as his boipussy's owner, the strapping young black private from South Carolina who fucked him so passionately yet so severely that he had problems shitting for a month and actually shit and farted his cum into the toilet for days after he was claimed has his penis that he lovingly named Oathkeeper thrown into the pile with the rest of the realitively tiny white cocks.

In the middle of him reminiscing on the night he fell asleep with Washington's massive load leaking out of his burning and stretched out ass onto his sheets and into his boxers gluing them into his crack by Reville a cartel member appears in front of him, he smells the two cycle engine's exhaust in his nostrils.. And then.. Darkness.

Bring it you fucking white cowards. Mexicans are the descendants of legendary warriors. We welcome an opportunity to defeat the cumskins and reclaim both old clay and new for the new Mexican empire

>. John calls this bullshit and buys an Guatemalan avocado for $5 instead and phones IHS

Yeah, lets spend more bringing the avocados all the way from Guatemala

Dumbass.

Who do you think harvests your fruits and vegetables, nigger?

because mexico has a largest avocado market

We'll make robots do it, LEAF

Let me complete it;

7. John, Sally and Joe collectively have 30$ to spend

8. Before the tax they bought 6 avocados, now they buy 5.

9. They don't care.

10. Instead of making 30$, Jose makes 25$.

11. The US keeps 5$ for the wall.

You are an idiot, there are only certain instances where the tax is reflected by the user. Namely essentials, which Mexico doesn't have.

(((His))) farm in California.

Jeb sells guac, guacamole comes from avocados.

Who pays ultimately depends on the elasticity of the demand and supply. This in turn depends on the availability of alternative suppliers and markets, as well as substitute goods.

Generally tarriffs are - in economic terms - paid in part by producers and in part by the producers.

Source: hidden from prying eyes in any economics 101 textbook. E.g. Mankiw Introduction to Economics.

spics don't do anything of value but pick fruit

Jose is forced to work on farm and makes avocados for jewish owners. Jewish owner sells to his American based subsidiary for pennies per avocado. America puts an import tax on this, so that it cuts into his profits. They charge 20% of the netvalue, which is pennies per avocado and barely a marginal cost to the sale. The American based subsidiary of this jew bemoans the increased cost of avocados and marks up the cost of the avocados, soda, chips, meat, eggs, milk, bread and other every day items and increases profits by 20% overall - not just on sales of avocados.

>spics don't do anything of value except ensure the survival of the human species

Before Trump was elected the peso was like 15% stronger so how is it still going to be relevant again?
Ironically Trump winning and him doing this just makes mexico's products cheaper.

more like
>John tells Jose to fuck off and buys avocados from Bob in California instead, thus saving in shipping costs and feeling good about buying American

I'll go to the next Mexican selling it at $4. Get fucked paco.

7. John realizes he can make money selling avocados for $5.75.

8. Jose sells no avocados and joins the drug cartels

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Lmao what legendary warriors you're the descendants of filthy Spanish rapists and savages who ate each other for their sun god

Greatest ally

I take it that you're a massive fucking faggot.

Buy Brazilian avos for $4
Juan pays by having overpriced Avos

Also think of the billions saved in welfare, admin, policing, for illegals after they can no longer rob your country

mexico is paying by the loss of income and the us is getting paid by the increase in sales

>freshman retard takes five first classes of econ 101

Our agriculture is fucked in Mexico, America is 1000x better than us in that area, or any other latino country really.

It's an anti-Semitic code.

How does that actually pay for the wall?

Literally

ALL

the fruits and vegetables in America.

Are harvested by illegal Mexicans.

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>y pinochet!

1.Jose sells avocado for 6$ because he's a mexican intellectual and cannot into maths.
2. Jose goes home with his 4.80 happy that he stuck it to Donald
3. Donald uses 1$ of the 1.2$ he collected as a tax break for John
4. .2$ goes to building the wall
Who payed for the wall?

John realizes Mexico doesn't produce a single good that's unique. John buys from Mexico's neighbours who are having fun putting Mexico out of business for good.

Because they're pretty much Mexico's only export. Aside from rapists and drunk drivers, that is.

>Who payed for the wall?

The stupid American who doesn't understand how his country works.

>Jose would have made $3.50 profit from avocado
>Buyer instead buys US Citizen Terry's avocado for $1.00 cheaper
>Jose is left with NO money while
>Terry now has $3.50 profit that cycles back into US economy instead of Mexicos

Common core was a mistake. It has rotted your brain.

> Welfare
How are they getting welfare without citizenship? Honest if skeptical question.
> admin
yea probably
> Policing
maybe but stats say they're less likely to be criminals.
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hmmmmmm really activated my nogin

Indeed. It is well known that Mexico has a firm monopoly on avocados.

>Now here comes frank
>frank is has been selling his avocados for 5.50
>with the new tax in place his American grown avocado can finally compete against jose's
>jose has to lower his to compensate for the tax
>now if John buys from jose jose will only see 4.50 if he matches Frank's price
>now frank could lower his to 5 which in turn jose would have to match
>so nown jose will only see 4 dollars
>jose will either go under or down size and sell his produce in Mexico and Frank will flourish selling his avocados to put into the burritos for the wall builders
So yes mexico will still pay for the wall in more then one

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People that post this shit need to go watch a fucking Khan Academy video or better yet, take a basic econ class. It is partially correct but mostly dogshit. This scenario assumes all the Johns of the world will continue to buy avocados at the same rate, regardless of the price. Anyone with any sales experience knows this almost never happens.

Lets go ahead and assume avocados behave like almost all other consumer goods do. The higher the price goes, the less Johns there are that will still eat avocados. Jose can either lower the price of his avocados and retain his sales volume, or he can raise his price 20% and sell significantly less avocados.

Either way, the Joses is going to take a loss. And the Johns that continue to buy avocados are rich fucks. Its basically going to be the rich Johns that just love guac and the poor Joses that end up paying for the wall (sounds like California to me). And I'm ok with that.

more US sales means more tax dollars in government budget instead of the Mexican government budget... and the 5.50$ will stay in the US instead of going to another country.

Drop in demand means Jose has to sell avocados for 4 dollars to stay competitive. The US collects 1. Jose now only makes 3 dollars.

Less money going to mexico, more money staying in the US

If faggoys here don't understand how tariffs work they are nearly as economically illiterate as Commie faggots
Malthusist ideas were proven false when he himself was pushing them.

Even if you assume the avocados will still sell at $6.00, the tax would come to $1.20 per avocado. So Jose would be making 20 cents less for every avocado, on top of probably selling way fewer of them.

>Donald wants the Avocado for 5$ MINUS tax, no bullshit José
>José says no
>Donald goes over there and takes the avocado without paying anything, who the fuck does José think he is