Hurr communism has killed so many people

>hurr communism has killed so many people

Tell me, how many people have died because of crapitalism?

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telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/01/mystery-chinese-tycoon-xiao-jianhuas-disappearance-hong-kong/
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14.

7 or 8

Now compare the timespan of those dead people.

Communism killled 100 million in 70 years if not more.

6 million

Tell me who killed in the name of capitalism. I'll wait

u tried.

Commiefags trying to pretend that they somehow aren't worst than capitalism.

>Tell me, how many people have died because of crapitalism?

>people die because their government sends them to camps, doesn't understand economy and screws up the country, leading to famines, shortages and killing everyone who disagrees

>people die of natural causes, are too dumb to think ahead or don't use charities

>hurr durr communism

I bet you're a fucking russian living in Germany.

>because of
>in the name of
These are different phrases.

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Capitalism isn't some all encompassing, unrealistic ideology dreamt up by a man child who leeched off of everyone. Capitalism was only observed and described and is the natural state of man's economic affairs. Communism, due to its core and flawed ideological tenants cause famine and misery and directly kills millions on top of millions on top of millions without any chance of prosperity. You don't understand the history or the world. Fuck off you naïve little commie.

Fuck it I'll just copy paste my response to the other commie thread

Income disparity is tragic and Utopianism considers tragedy to be intolerable by virtue of the notion that it feels bad and they think there is a flawless (utopian) alternative end that will justify all the means.

Communism is a solution to that tragedy that supposes, inevitably, that if everything about us that creates tragedies would just go away, tragedy would stop happening. This causes two things: one, tragedy fucktuples; two, people have to resort to inhuman tactics to try and suppress everything about us that creates tragedy. This is why people in Communist countries inevitably go about behaving like automata inconvenienced with a soul. Everything human about them had to get squashed in order to cram them into this pseudo-functioning society that STILL isn't fixing any of the problems.
This is why they like to reinforce dumb memes about the failings of Communism being in things like starvation and death toll - because those are tragic and tragedy can be found everywhere, and by that reasoning there would be nothing uniquely wrong with Communism. They couldn't survive the discussion being less about the 100 million deaths laid at their feet and more about the lives those people were forced to live beforehand.

So that's it. Communists hate tragedy because it feels bad, in their one dimensional understanding of the relationship between sadness and joy, and they commit gross inhumanity in order to completely and utterly fail to even reduce tragedy.

im communism they wont let me be NEET so I will defend capitalism to the death.

>Tell me, how many people have died because of crapitalism?
Please board my helicopter and we will discuss the numbers.

Maybe the half dozen helicopter dropouts

I'm a russian living in Germany, why should I be pro Gommunism?

Capitalism is the best shit ever bro

See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_Famine_of_1945
Since the commies took over, there hasn't been any famine.

See:

Not to mention capitalism was around for almost a century longer too. Communism just sucks that bad.

you didn't read the post:
>This is why they like to reinforce dumb memes about the failings of Communism being in things like starvation and death toll - because those are tragic and tragedy can be found everywhere, and by that reasoning there would be nothing uniquely wrong with Communism. They couldn't survive the discussion being less about the 100 million deaths laid at their feet and more about the lives those people were forced to live beforehand.

Today an islamocuck told me "the communist world has always been successful opened to the rest of the world".

Dude, I almost died laughing.

You didn't read your own post:
> STILL isn't fixing any of the problems
There was the problem of famine. It was fixed. Is that hard to understand?

There was famine in Ukraine and famine in china.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
The reason Vietnam didn't have extensive famines is because Vietnam very quickly adopted a mix economy rather than a full on communist economy, Which is smilar to what China later did.

capitalism is a shameful system! at least one billion people have died because of it. history will look back on us like we look back on those that did ritual human sacrifice.

>Today an islamocuck told me "the communist world has always been successful opened to the rest of the world".

well, the reason why Communism (Democracy) and Islam go hand in hand so well indeed is the open border policy promoted by them

That shit like that is prone to existing in Communist societies is still only gravy to the fact that you had to murder the human soul to get there. Whether or not it manifests in your example takes a back seat.

>durr if they didnt die in neither a socialist/communist nation it must be CAPITALISM'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell me about the German, why does he post the deer?

Regardless the problems of 1 million people weren't given any head when they were shot by communists.

A tear shed for all those poor people who were shot by brutal capitalist regimes for trying to flee east over the Berlin Wall

I loved how the Vietnamese kicked out the Chinese then went on to form a trade alliance with the US. I guess commies don't stick together.

1,5 billion people approximately.

Actually it is mainly because commies would be nothing today ideologically speaking without their positions in favor of mass immigration, and so islam uses them to gain influence and get into the political power.

These two hideous and toxic ideologies are surely both cancerous but they are fundamentally antithetical.

How many pictures of deer do you have /deer/bro?

Communism ? = about 300 million.

Capitalism ? = between 3-4 billion.

but capitalism is much longer so..

> Which is smilar to what China later did.
> later
lulz
I think you aren't very knowledgeable about what happened after USA's direct involvement in Vietnam.

> you had to murder the human soul to get there
I'm pretty sure the Viet Minh only had to kick the French out, but whatever you believe I guess.

> Whether or not it manifests in your example takes a back seat
That's quite intellectually dishonest.

agreed It wasn't just the Commies though, mind you Merkel is conservative...

>These two hideous and toxic ideologies are surely both cancerous but they are fundamentally antithetical.

how so? They both hate capitalism, individual decision making, freedom of speech and science, they both stand for etatism and rigorous taxation.

>Capitalism ? = between 3-4 billion.

wasted, anyway care to elaborate?

Commies are supposed to hate all the religions. And they don't really have the same vision about the women.

Otherwise you're quite right.

They both use violence as a method implantation. Both ideologies require micromanagement of the people's lives. Both ideologies punish people for leaving it or those who don't want to participate. Capitalism just lets you come and go as you please, either you make it or you don't or you try again.

Communism kills directly so it's easy to make a tally. Capitalism kills indirectly so it's more difficult. How many kids died working in textile mills. How many Chinese died building the railroads. That kind of thing.

a lot

I love how it was actually the Americans that collaborated with the Chicoms that they supposedly hated so much out of the butthurt experienced in Vietnam. I guess capitalists will do anything for a profit.

>kick the French out
it was germans tho

he put this good. here

>Tell me, how many people have died because of crapitalism?

Far fewer of want than under the alternatives that have been tried.

I love how a dupe who's knowledge comes from his states propaganda thinks his knowledge is better than other people's whose knowledge comes from their states propaganda.

>I'm pretty sure the Viet Minh only had to kick the French out

They used the fact Indochina was under a Japanese occupation during World War II to prosper and take some territory. The French would have won otherwise, and even after we were close to defeat the reds but our main general, de Lattre de Tassigny, died of old age and exhaustion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu
What I meant is that it was mainly the commies who ended colonialism in 3rd world countries.

communism doesnt hate money or being wealthy. stop with this bullshit.

communism just doesnt want that someone get 5 billion while other survive on 1 dollar a day. okay ?

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No one forced the railroad workers. What would they have had if there were no railroad jobs?something worse obviously. As for the kids, its the parents fault for 1. Letting them work or 2. Forcing them to work. Its not like theh had a better alternative

french foreign legion was mainly nazi soldiers which had no job at home.

>Commies are supposed to hate all the religions. And they don't really have the same vision about the women.

what is a religion? Why is there a claim there were non-religious ideologies. Fact is all ideologies are also religious, Communism claims it was atheist but the whole ideology bases upon philosophical thus irrationalist theories, which are promoted in a thelogical manner. Sames goes for secularism/laicism, it's a sham.
True, the women policies are different, but then it is mainly women supporting Islam here.

nobody because capitalism isn't a state form

wow someone actually put a lot of work to explain, they must have no life at all.

Thing is they despise all the old monotheisms but yeah this is correct: the way they venerate a "great leader" is very similar to the muslims worshipping of Allah.

Communist sweat shops as evidence for Capitalist killings?

capitalism allowed the billions you see today
james watt in particular

Did you tell the Chinese this? I don't think they got the message.

>Capitalism was only observed and described and is the natural state of man's economic affairs.

this is wrong.

all of society throughout history until recent times was communal. there was no free market capitalism as you believe. authoritarian rule reigned over all "free enterprise". debts were written off frequently at the order of monarchs and rulers frequently due to circumstance.

society as a whole was poor. food and resources were scarce. you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that anyone would be allowed to corner any market for their own personal benefit, at the detriment of the community.

read a fucking history book you mongoloid retard.

communism isnt against religion, it think religion should be seperated from state afairs and no missionary work in public.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_North_Korea

communist just know religion was made to keep the workers hypnotized so they are easier exploited.

>>hurr communism has killed so many people

>>hurr why are you framing communism in terms of deaths relative to those caused by capitalism?

>>hurr prove to us that communism isn't the worst form of government man has ever created?

>>hurr I'll bet you any amount of money that communism is the worst form of government ever conceived and practiced by humans

>>hurr Every single time in history that communism has been invoked, it has failed miserably. MISERABLY.

>>hurr communism is the absolute worst form of government possible and it's been proven over and over again. You're just not smart enough to understand.

>>hurr in short, you're unintelligent and this thread is terrible

> who's knowledge comes from his states propaganda
Nope. Don't be an assumptive cunt.
The Vietnamese government never talk about USA's collaboration with PRC since they desire support from USA in the South China Sea. Whatever knowledge I have on this subject, I gained from reading Western sources.

Fucking lowlife frog apologist. I hope the chinks or mudslims will let you know what living under colonialism feels like.

If you die because of capitalism you deserve to. Homeless junkies and dumb niggers btfo

almost no one died because of capitalism
but almost 100 milion people died directly from communism because these communist faggots couldn't handle the banter from people who said that communism is shit so they just killed them or tortured them to death

>Thing is they despise all the old monotheisms but yeah this is correct: the way they venerate a "great leader" is very similar to the muslims worshipping of Allah.

from what I see they only criticize Christian monotheism, all Commies/leftists here support Islam and the Islamic nucleus family.
They even allow Sharia conform marriages with minor aged girls.
The leader cult, even though claimed to be atheists, is full of theological sacrcal consecrations.

i am 12 irl: the post

An ideology cannot kill people.

Way way way less than communism you stupid faggot

As I remember, nobody in a capitalist society had to put up posters LITERALLY telling people not to eat their children.

>all of society throughout history until recent times was communal.

I was going to ask what fucked-up shithole education system filled your head with that kind of bullshit. Then I looked at your flag and suddenly it all made sense.

>read a fucking history book

Your first. Preferably a non-American one.

you are to drunk to understand. nothing wrong with sweatshops.
telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/01/mystery-chinese-tycoon-xiao-jianhuas-disappearance-hong-kong/

billionaires have no say in china, chinas goal is take over US and all capitalist countries, HOWEVER they cant use their ideology agains the west, but they can use west ideology to kill the west. they sorte sheep in wolfs clothing, if your cognitive capacity allows you to compensate this.

>implying capitalism is an ideology

>implying communism is a mere economic system

ebin

not a fan of muh free markets but OP is a gay retard

I know how it feels like, but this is irrelevant.

At first we were fighting to preserve our colony, but it quickly became a war against communism, which permitted us to get the American support they weren't willing to provide at first because they were opposed to colonisation.

We tried to bring the Viets people to fight against the Viet Minh. Some were volunteer but we failed to unite people with divided interests, and the regular royal army at the time was so weak and shitty.

That's sad we failed, because we caused a mass called the war of Vietnam, and let this filthy cancer spill all over the region.

>usa invented capitalism the post

Nobody bothered counting. They were too busy making bank

Implementation of one can, stupid.
What was the point of your post?

This wasn't caused by capitalism though, the French govt and Japanese troops forced them to stop growing food, then the allies made it harder to send produce from south to north Vietnam, and natural disasters ended up turning it into famine.

Which Communist policy actually fixed this?

>communism isnt against religion,
except it is. Guess who was blowing up churches in Soviet-Russia...

>it think religion should be seperated from state afairs
that's impossible.

>and no missionary work in public.
so secretly?

>communist just know religion was made to keep the workers hypnotized
yeah, that was the sole purpose for its invention - you are aware religion existed long before any concept of working class existed?

>so they are easier exploited.
Communism was invented to fulfill this role - and blame everything on the bourgeoisie.

I said fundamentally. Of course they betrayed their old ideals today in favor of opportunists pro-immigration policies.

>you are to drunk to understand. nothing wrong with sweatshops.

I never drank any alcohol. You still have to explain where you get the figure for Capitalist killings from.

Death from communism: Starvation slowly after youve killed and eaten your final family member.

Death from Capitalism: Heart attack at age 80 from a life of eating rich food, drinking wine, and smoking cigars.

because you are fucking evil and you kill innocent vietnamese workers and farmers. you got fucked by workers and farmers!

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capitalists don't kill people who disagree with their ideology. otherwise all the commie anarchist retards would be exterminated.
you're literally a moron.

i'm not quite sure how to respond to this. was there some sort of counter-argument here?

can you post examples of unbridled free market capitalism throughout ancient history? you do realize that throughout most of history, societies and communities did not have enough resources to allow markets to be cornered, and often had laws against any kind of usury?

note: free market capitalism does not include absolute rule by monarchs who have the ability to forgive debts, so good luck!

your free market is basically this:
-basic barter system
-can take on debt
-can't be charged interest (not free market)
-debts can be written off and forgiven on the whims of rulers (not free market)
-laborers, peasants don't own the land they live on
-laborers, peasants often forbidden from owning land or property, period.

do i need to go on or do are you still going to run your stupid fucking mouth about muh free market and muh capitalism?

>not an arguement

I am not in disagreement with you here. I just do not understand what Communists/Liberals think the endgame will be once Muslims here become a 50+% majority.

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Thay died because they were lazy cunts

Of course you do, Muslims kicked your patron country's ass in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and Iran rejected you.

capitalism is a form of explotation to a point of death not caused by natural causes. any form of violence against workers and farmers even simply making them work then they need to.

t:stalin

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutscher_Bauernkrieg

As a direct result of free market policies? Probably somewhere in the hundred thousands.

Of course, I'm talking about physical death. Capitalism has caused the spiritual death of hundreds of millions in the West.

What did people ever gain from communism?

I have no clue what you're talking about. How is the USSR my "patron country"?

>capitalism was around for almost a century longer
Capitalism has existed since the dawn of the human race. The moment our primitive ancestors started bartering, capitalism was born.

Capitalism is the "default" state of things. In order for other systems to exist, some form of government must exist, and it must attempt to regulate the economy in some way.

A man dying of thirst watching another man drown.

Got fucked by thousands of Chinese-backed armed people ready to die again and again under our machine guns until we eventually get out of budget and manpower.

The war quickly became too expensive and unpopular and we were still weakened by the WWII. You can't face the millions of Chinks endlessly if you don't provide the necessary means.

The so-called workers and farmers surely didn't wanted to see their land taken by force by Chinese drones.

Not enough for it to become a fucking statistic

>How many pictures of deer do you have /deer/bro?

6 gorillion

if communism is so great, why do communist countries always have people fleeing them?

Communism kills the citizens of the communist country. Capitalism kills poor people from other country's.
Would you like to be killed by your own government, or would you like your government to not kill you but instead kill nobodys from a distant land so you can prosper? You can only choose one.