So, capitalismfags, its time for a redpill

So, capitalismfags, its time for a redpill.
You do realize that with America as a prime example, rampant capitalism has lead to a class system so far apart we haven't seen anything like it since the middle ages right?
I mean think about it.
>The rich class of Trump and Romney and the Coke Brothers and etc control the government and your lives with an iron fist, using their money to decide who wins office and who doesn't, leading to a system as corrupt as the soul of Lucifer himself.
>The craftsmen class is under them, ranging from well off to struggling to keep afloat, this is the part of society that makes stuff for people to use or provide service, weather they are carpenters, plumbers, accountants, hunters, farmers, journalists, etc, they supply the populace with things to distract from the fact that they are all owned by the upper class
>The peasant class on the bottom, made up of mostly minorities or white trash, is a class that does grunt labor like working mines, doing basic construction, flipping burgers, and if the situation is dire enough, stealing. They are the largest of the class and with their grunt labor they make up a huge part of the population, keeping to ghettos and inner city slums.
In the capitalist society all these classes are rigidly enforced, and advancing up in the ladder to a more comfortable rung is nearly impossible barring some kind of miracle, or if you happen to just be born with some incredible gift.
Under a democratic socialist society however, the classes are still defined and there, but the safety net that makes sure basic housing, food, water and education being provided allows the populace to put all their time toward advancement, and put all their money toward bettering their lives, instead of having to spent it to survive.
Will you accept the redpill Sup Forums or will you continue to stagnate in the madness of the current system?

A democratic socialist society, by applying a wide and strong safety net is not only extreme costly, but also increase the amount of low-success people by make it's system easily exploitable, and when the amount of these 'parasites' have reached a threshold - and their votes count exactly as much as those who actually produces value, populism and an ideologically extremist demagougery quickly descends to oligarchy through corruption and apathy.

Not every system is perfect, but the problems with democratic socialism are far less glaring than the ones with pure capitalism. America can no longer sustain itself, the dollar value is dying, there has to be a change.

You support me being shot. Why shouldn't I reciprocate?

When did I suggest that I support that?

I'm guessing your kike professor is standing right behind instructing you what to type. Sad.

You want to steal the product of my labor and restrict my ability to freely interact with society. You would support me being killed if I didn't obey your socialist doctrine.

Nope, the only thing that influences me is reality and facts.

No system IS perfect - perfection, like infinity is just ideas and have no correspondence in reality (at least, not that i know of).
Also, social democratic states of western europe only exist becuase the US military hegemony (quickly dwindling) and the ample amount of fossil energy (also closing to depletion). Without these, our societies loses the ability to maintain it's complexity and will assume forms of ever greater autoritarinsm and isolationism.

Nope, no death penalty is necessary, but if you wont pay your taxes (and thats where the money for the net is supplied from, your taxes) then you will face prison time, like in any other society.

Go away Stefan.

>taking memes about a midget communist jew seriously

also the american "lower class" is fantastically wealthy compared to literally billions of people


Thats not to say I fully support the current globalist neo-liberal jew machine offshoring Americans of jobs and wealth at a staggering rate

the right answer is the balance of capitalism, mercantilism/protectionism, and nationalism

the right answer is not incompetent feelings based communism-lite + importing the entire 3rd world

What are you even talking about? Europe is using renewable energy almost exclusively in some places and the military we have their does nothing, their society is working great and has been for years now, every decade conservatives say "they're gonna collapse!" and every time it never happens.

Thanks user. You realize Sup Forums is a fascist board, right?

What gives you the right to imprison me for disagreeing with your socialist doctrine? Why shouldn't I defend myself and kill you?

Nationalism is never the answer to anything, no we shouldn't ship in the fucking sand savages but that doesn't mean we need to have some stupid delusion about white people being better than everyone, and being a step above South Africans cowering in huts doesn't make you "fantastically wealthy" that makes you sad.

>being a materialist

If you live under a democratic socialist society you will obey its laws or you will be forced to endure jail until you understand the reality of the situation, and if you try to kill people for enforcing the system then you WILL earn a death penalty for 1st degree murder, dipshit.

Even though the two ideas often go hand-in-hand, nationalism doesn't have to involve white supremacy.

It doesn't even have to be white.

> renewable energy
which are complex technologies, and the logistic tail of their creation and maintanance is fossil based, as the concentration of energy they make available is too low (EROEI)
> military does have nothing
yes, the american bases and rocketry defence installations near the russian borders must be a coincidence
> their societies working great
Brexit, Deutsche Bank, the Italian referendum, Le Pen, Spain, Greece, my very own Hungary with it's 'illiberal democracy', refugee crisis
'This is fine'

>"it's capitalism"
>money is not backed by capital

What did he mean by this?

Is this The Fourth Reich?

You've got it wrong. Capitalism is the source of all degeneracy and liberalism.

If there a system worth taking pride in, then I suppose it would be acceptable, but the current system is far too worthless to be given a patriotic loyalty.

>intentionally stir up class conflict
>"LOOK AMERICA THERES CLASS CONFLICT"

"Crony Capitalism" is the fault of the government, not the fault of capitalism.
And Capitalist societies have the most class mobility in all of history.
Your post is retarded.

>Capitalism is the source of all degeneracy and liberalism.
>two things caused by marxists are the fault of capitalism

Here's a redpill:

Just because they aren't castles and knights and swords and only horse transportation DOESN'T MEAN THERE AREN'T ANY FUCKING KINGS!!!

We are peasants.

WHY can't everybody realize this all at once so we can go storm the gates?

>haven't seen anything like it

Although illegal India still adheres to the Caste system.

Fuck off commiescum.

(there* not they.....I'm not illiterate)

What did he think was essential?

>In the capitalist society all these classes are rigidly enforced

How do you figure? Many burger flippers have climbed the ladder.

You've invoked no principle or righteousness. You've just said that I need to obey or face consequences. I have no reason to support your doctrine. I will defend myself.

>muh renewable energy isn't sustainable
The progress of renewable energy is still in its infancy, once it gets more developement it will easily surpass fossil fuels and even if it doesn't, too bad because we wont have Fossil Fuels to fall back in soon anyway.
>Muh rockets
Ok so we have some cold war rocket sites still set up there to spook Putin from attacking, yea because that'll stop him. Like most things in America, they're probably there to make us look cool.
>Muh natural problems that come with society
America is two steps from an absolute civil revolt, don't talk about Europe being in a crisis.

If you stop immigration maybe we'll listen to you. Otherwise you can die.

Learn the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

The reason capitalism runs rampant is because of BiG GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S why we oppose big government.

Without nationalism people don't give a fuck about their country, and their on focus is me me me and retarded alturism for non americans. America is lacking nationalism in young people and in the city, look at how great these people have turned out.

I find it weird how people will say "capitalism doesn't work," yet to do so ignores the centuries of it working. That more people read the works of Karl Marx than Adam Smith shows where the intelligentsia's loyalties lay. Outside of Jenner's published notes about vaccination of smallpox the Wealth of Nations has done more for human happiness than perhaps any other book, while I'm struggling to think of one that has harmed more than The Communist Manifesto.

>being this deluded
Kek, the government is set up shitty but the reason its so blatantly evil is because the oligarchys that rule America command it with absolute power.

You lefties are starting to act and sound a lot like Hitler...

Because conservatives believe one day they'll actually be as rich as Trump and its fucking pathetic and hilarious.

>Not being materialist.

Delusional idiot.

>class system is a capitalist system
Because capitalists define the world in communist terms.

Name a few, and it has to be from hard work and dedication, not from luck of genes giving them some kind of gift, or them winning some money.

> muh green future
decline in marginal returns - complexity has a price
> muh american dickwaving
and the shared NATO army excercises, proxy wars like Ukraine, invasions...
> muh civil war II
Through interconnected economies, of shit hits the fan one place, it will hit the fan everywhere (globalism - as the greatest complexity - has the greatest cost)

You will support the doctrine because it allows the people the power to be as rich and comfortable as their masters, the path to greatness should be open to all Americans, not just the ones that slid out of a rich cunt.

I put myself through college flipping burgers, now I'm an engineer.

If the 99% suddenly decides to snap out of it and forcibly takes the 1%'s wealth, literally EVERYTHING will be solved.
Literally.
Everything.
>literally
>every
>fucking
>thing

Fuck.

I do think immigration should be halted, only those who plan to live in society and work in it should move here, not violent would-be conquerors who want to blow themselves up and go to heaven so they can fuck a bunch of ethereal little girl pussy.

No, Capitalism = corporate monopolies that control all the wealth and fix the prices. Unregulated capitalism causes wage slavery.

Merit won't mean anything when your boss decides how much you are payed and he has no restrictions on how much he can exploit you.

I'm a white nationalist and even I know that unregulated capitalism is bad.

We need a nationalist/socialist/merit based system that promotes technological advancement and higher standards of living. Not a system that allows greedy jews and industrialists who make money off of other people's money exploiting everyone else for their own benefit.

capitalism is fine, corporationism is where things get blurry

however i welcome the corporate cyberpunk future

They lack nationalism because their nation is shit and thinks of them as nothing but cogs to turn the wheel on their wine press so that they can sip it and gaze out upon their vast empire daddy bought for them.

>born with some incredible gift

Work hard, pinch pennies, don't lie.

Though, this would seem impossible to socialist NEETS

Friendly reminder that throwing communists out of helicopters doesn't violate the NAP, as they pose an immediate threat to you and your property

This 100%.

They are completely mentally ill. It's narcissism at it's finest. Only delusional retards worship the rich.

Centuries of it enforcing a new class system of royalty and peasants, maybe. If this is the goal then sure it works, but this is not the goal. Everyone should be able to be great, not just the ones lucky enough to be born with a head start.

>Work hard, pinch pennies, don't lie.
Worked for me.

spoken like a true wageslave

This is true, but nationalism is a good counter to this. Especially since it promotes violent tribalism which can be used against the elite.

Only North of EU (Netherlands and Germany wind energy and some geotermal energy). Its not as much as you think. Most solar energy programs were a complete fails when it comes to efficiency.

South of EU hasn't reached that stage yet. There are some recent developing in france which I am not aware of yet but over all its not as much as you think.

dreg, i've been found out

>advancing up in the ladder to a more comfortable rung is nearly impossible barring some kind of miracle
so this is what socialists actually believe

Feels great to know some people aren't fucking idiots.

It wont make poor people good with money. See dave chapelle reparations to see what you propose

Idiot

Most of the American working class vote Republicans. How do you expect a left-leaning revolution that focuses on the working class when most of its supporters are minorities and college kids who don't work?

Well good for you, did you live with your parents or own your own house?

In what way is forcibly taking someone else's wealth ethically justified?

That's just envy and misplaced anger. Many people are rich in America from immoral and illegitimate means, this is true. They are rich from the exploitation of our government and its legislative power. The solution is not socialism, it is justice and righteous law.

You didn't even answer what I said.
And the corporate oligarchs exist, and I think politicians need to dispel them from government, but they do not have absolute power. How can you even say that right after Trump gets elected? People made that decision, despite what the oligarchs wanted.

You're calling me deluded, but the points in your op are deluded and easily wrong.
The point still stands that "crony capitalism" is the fault of the government, because they are allowing the abuse of power. It is not an excuse to end capitalism.
Not even mentioning the class mobility that exists under capitalism...

Holy fuck a White Nationalist with some sense.
Thought I'd never see the day...

Well I was in foster care until 18, then I lived in a shitty apartment.

Thats why I voted for Trump to reinstate Glass-Steagall
Its 3 entire pages and is the most effective tool in making sure 2008 never happens again!

These are the facts... so...

No, many are rich because they exploit the working class or inherit their wealth via nepotism.

Look everybody!

The shills are getting scared that people are waking the fuck up!

It takes time, but it is not optional. It is either get used to renewable energy or get used to reverting to the days before electricity, pick one.

Don't think Trump as completely anti globalism anti establishment when he is anti to a certan degree.

Only 100% anti establishment on a fucking scene is socialist faggot bernie who would probably rise taxes and completly destroy middle economy.

That's why sexual degeneracy, multiculturalism, multi-ethnicity. Divide and conquer.

We are already divided.

My question was an honest inquiry.

>Coke Brothers

How's that second year of your sociology degree coming along?

I'm in favor of this, to watch the kings and queens be torn from their towers and their riches given back to those who worked so hard to build them, but I don't want a race element in it.
All races deserve equal treatment, if we didn't force niggers to work in ghettos and treat them like second class citzens, they'd probably be pretty successful, same with wetbacks.

Socialist democracy is great. Just ask Denmark, they're some of the happiest people in the world. :^)

Revolution?

You need like, what? A few hundred? Maybe a thousand people to change the world over night?

It really could happen that fast.

I doubt Bernie would remain anti-establishment.
I would imagine a Bernie presidency would be like Obama, where he's an "outsider who promises change" at first, but then bends the knee to the globalist powers once he's president.
Despite generally being a weakness of his imo, I think it's good that Trump's ego is too big for that.

It ost certainly does not stand, and there is not class mobility. The people did not vote in Trump, the ESTABLISHMENT did. Thats why he was elected by the College rather than the people despite a 3,000,000 vote gap, and if you tell me that was all illegals I'm going to fucking laugh in your face.
Trump IS a corporation shill, how can you think any different?

Fuck off kike.

We are couple of problems far away from it.
The current problems are redistribution and infrastructure.

We just need to redistribute resources and solve transportation and storing problems.

Greece for example could be powered by solar energy. Too bad they are too poor to afford it.

>democratic socialshit
I agree with you about (((capitalism))) but honestly fuck off

In the way that they earned none of that wealth and simply manipulated a broken system to give them money, or got it from daddy, or of course in the case of Trump, both at the same time.

Denmark's problems mainly come from SJWs wanting to let in a fuckton of savages into the country, not because of their economical system.

You are probably right. He bend a knee to a woman who screwed and wrecked him completely.

Fucking weaklings man.

>Nationalism = racialism
Proof that you actually have not half a goddamn clue what you're saying

So because I don't approve of pure capitalism, I'm Hitler.
*clapclapclapclapclap*
Good job boi

The alternative is the collapse of the nation entirely, because socialist policies can't pay back debt fast enough and full-blown communism kills more people than the holocaust did (according to history class).
Just because you want to try another option doesn't mean that the option is going to work better.

>capitalism
>"let's be tolerant of these savages because they're cheap labour"
No it's as responsible as socialism

Bitch the only socialism that is worth it is national socialism,if you try to push some commie shit expect the rope.

Because anyone who wants to storm the gates and take their countries back is an evil Nazi

What do you think 90% of this board wants to do dipshit? Lurk fucking more

>le correlation equals causation meme
hey there retardo, have you considered that there are other things about denmark that might factor into its suicide statistic than its form of government?

Nationalism and racism is usually together, sorry for the misunderstanding.

>only those who plan to live in society and work in it should move here

I didn't say "stop bad immigration", I said "immigration". I don't care how good they allegedly are.

>Equality of outcome not equality of opportunity
This is where you guys lose me.

Why should my efforts go unrewarded? If I work hard and do a bang up job I'll still get the same government regulated food ration and living quarters. So nice. Communism burns out hard workers and rewards lazy fucks.

Have fun with your stagnant society.