Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Other urls found in this thread:

seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/how-the-shooting-at-the-uw-protest-of-milo-yiannopoulos-unfolded/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapitalism_(concept_in_Italian_Fascism)
seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/uw-shooting/
youtube.com/watch?v=s43yLMgXXOU
youtube.com/watch?v=2hWYgPDVX_8
youtube.com/watch?v=Hznlp-DwgSw
pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeleSUR
youtube.com/watch?v=oqpcMScyTM8
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

Fuck communism, free helicopter rides for all commies

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Hi comrade

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A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.

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>everything that calls itself """communist""" even if it's by definition NOT communist

Hello antifa brother! Marxdamn do I hate the First Amendment and the fucking hook nosed porker kikes! When are we going to get California to succeed from the Union so we can kill all the tech companies and distribute their means of production to the Mexicans?

do you like chai tea?

Imagine a worker who is hired for an hour and paid $10. Once in the capitalist's employ, the capitalist can have him operate a boot-making machine with which the worker produces $10 worth of work every fifteen minutes. Every hour, the capitalist receives $40 worth of work and only pays the worker $10, capturing the remaining $30 as gross revenue. Once the capitalist has deducted fixed and variable operating costs of (say) $20 (leather, depreciation of the machine, etc.), he is left with $10. Thus, for an outlay of capital of $30, the capitalist obtains a surplus value of $10; his capital has not only been replaced by the operation, but also has increased by $10.

>le no true communism fallacy

Commies are truly lobotomized

Why the personal question comrade? we are talking marxism here

Freedoms capitalists support:
>1) Freedom of speech
>2) Freedom of association
>3) Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
>4) Freedom of religion
>5) Right to bear arms
>6) Right to property

Freedoms communists support:
>1)

Explain why I should have to defend every single possible interpretation of communism in the history of mankind. I don't want another USSR. There are different types of socialism.

Daily reminder that killing communists is self-defense, regardless of circumstances

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ALL SOCIALISM IS EVIL AND FOUNDED ON BASELESS EMOTIONALITY. PHYSICAL REMOVAL IS SELF DEFENSE

What's wrong with workers owning the places they work in (cooperatives)?

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NAP VIOLATED, PHYSICAL REMOVAL IMMINENT

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You can already do that under capitalism. Capitalism allows for coops, communes, and socialist enclaves, so long as you don't try to force your views onto others through violence.

>I have a community college level understanding of operational management: the post

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Does it ever occur to you that socialism is inherently parasitic?

Even Marx agreed that Communism was destined to happen in developed nations; these developed nations were not to be created through collectivization.

So, you have an economic ideology that can't actually form its own support base; it needs to usurp the previously constructed labor of others.

>But muh hippy communes
But that's the interesting thing as well, when isolated Communes prop up they're extremely weak to outside intervention, and they're formed along family, ethnic, or religious lines for the most part.

Sure, you can run a small commune and be relatively sufficient, but you will be out-competed by everyone around you while living at their mercy and at what point have you merely become a tribe?

Daily fuck off

>Explain why I should have to defend every single possible interpretation of communism in the history of mankind

Because every time it has been tried it resulted in mass killings and purges aswell as economic collapse. Most people are able to put two and two together and figure out that the ideology is rotten at it's core. You lot on the other hand are a special kind of stupid that think that it can be achieved but only in your own specific way.

MAGA hat
Loaded gun
Kill every leftist scum

Fair enough but the existing capitalist state tends to come purge us when it looks like too many proles are opting out of their system.

Then the entrepreneur uses that money towards building more boot-making machines, thus employing more workers and earning him more profit. And of course, the entrepreneur would have never built the boot-making machine in the first place if he hadn't expected any profits to be made from it.

Why do people keep asking us about the bare minimum of how our society will function, comrade? Can't they see that asking too many questions hurts the proletariat and delays the revolution to our worker utopia?

and they will always be co-opted by ambitious tyrants

>capitalists aren't workers
>workers aren't capitalists

Like capitalism 'parasites' from feudalism previous structures?

WHEN YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUTVYOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN

>everything I don't like is capitalism

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We purge you when you look like you're about to get violent, which is all the time. Otherwise, there is no need for purging, because coops and communes tend to fail on their own.

The mental gymnastics commies have to perform to justify their immoral and irrational ideology is astounding. It's like they are willfully ignorant of history and reality.

What do you think feudalism means?

>fascism is capitalism
>statism is capitalism
>government run genocide is capitalism
>military dictatorships are capitalism
>government run industry is capitalism
Wew lad.

Tell me what planks of Communism Stalin didn't follow.

I'll wait.

You got shot.
seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/how-the-shooting-at-the-uw-protest-of-milo-yiannopoulos-unfolded/

And it was ruled legitimate self-defense.

This man alone saved your country from being an ex-commie shithole. Too bad your leftists ruined it.

Why nobody listens to our enlightened communist thinkers?

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I copy and pasted this song that some other communists wrote to pay tribute to your sick fantasy of power.

It strikes the perfect balance of self-loathing and delusion

>Here in the few remaining moments we have left,
>Just what do you propose we say in our defence?

>That much was decided before
>Any one of us were born?
>Nothing more than objective
>Observers to the madness?

>Throw up your hands in sadness.

>We're powerless to change anything anyways,
>So just lay back upon your deathbed and gaze
>Idiotically back up the chain of command from which
>We receive our directives. It's just common sense...

>To preach what ought to be, but ensure it never is
>In the present tense.

reminder to sage all commie threads etcetcetc
sage

>Extermination of the indigenous Americans

Smallpox is capitalism! Kek.

Fascism is capitalism in decay.

Why whites hate communism so much? Communism is your greatest ally, it will free the white worker from the oppressiveness of capitalism.

Christ. Even an economic illiterate must see how absurd that "argument" is. ECONOMIC SYSTEMS ARE NOT EQUAL YOU COMMIE BASTARD. SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK. REEEEEEEEEEEE

Which is kind of ironic, because full capitalism beat the crap out of both fascism and communism, so much for decay, huh?

So 100% of the businesses in a sector operate at a profit indefinitely?

It's funny because it's true, even Mussolinni, founder of fascism, recognised that marxism is the final step of human evolution.

SAUCE:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapitalism_(concept_in_Italian_Fascism)

seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/uw-shooting/

LEFTISTS BTFO

>Germany's lack of a proper Navy was the reason Britain didn't get invaded
>Lost Vietnam war
>pretend Korean War didn't happen
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Ayncaps are so dunm.

They don't realize that when we outlaw markets costs will not exist, so basically our actions will have no consequences once capitalism is gone.

>vietnam

Which is capitalist as fuck now?

youtube.com/watch?v=s43yLMgXXOU

You have been visited by the White Death of ruskie removal.
The snow will run red with commie blood, but only if you post "make 'em go, Simo" ITT.

MAKE EM GO SIMO

>political situation changed
>claim victory
>We didn't lose to commie rice farmers, we swear ;_;

Look it up retard. Do you think that Americans killed 100 million people? Goddamn you commies are retarded.

acrually turning all women into slaves is the final step
or are you gonna bitch out on this means of production

youtube.com/watch?v=2hWYgPDVX_8
youtube.com/watch?v=2hWYgPDVX_8
youtube.com/watch?v=2hWYgPDVX_8

>Germany's lack of a proper Navy was the reason Britain didn't get invaded
So fascism couldn't get a proper navy built. What's your point?

>Lost Vietnam war
USSR lost the Cold War. Sometimes you will lose the battle to win the war.

>pretend Korean War didn't happen
You mean that time we BTFO'd the commies in Korea?

youtube.com/watch?v=Hznlp-DwgSw

>you are retarded
Not an argument
You are who should look it up
In which part of Lenin, Engels, Marx or Stalin books said that? Good, you are a parody and a satire of yourself....

Anywho, feudalism isn't a well defined term. You could easily argue that any state that further redistributes lands are feudalist in nature. So, government itself regardless of economic system is "feudal."

>When the Europeans arrived, carrying germs which thrived in dense, semi-urban populations, the indigenous people of the Americas were effectively doomed. They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before, and the viruses tore through the continent, killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans

>pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html

I asked you to look it up because it's probably not common knowledge in Europe like it is in North America. Educate yourself before you try to pin the death of 100 million people on an economic system you fucking moron.

>Telesur
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeleSUR
>La Nueva Televisora del Sur is multi-state funded, pan–Latin American terrestrial and satellite television network sponsored by the governments of Venezuela, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Uruguay, and Bolivia

Literally a propaganda network. Commies love drinking the kool-aid.

>Venezuela, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Uruguay, and Bolivia
>Commies
OMFG THE REVISIONISM IS HITTING NEW STARDARS

youtube.com/watch?v=oqpcMScyTM8

>g-guise, what's destroying venezuela is an anti-socialist neoliberal conspiracy

Telesur = into the trash it goes

Notice how no part of my comment I said those countries have a communist system. Turns out you had to revision my comment to create a fake reality where I'm wrong.

btw, kill yourself commie.

>the video accurately retells history
>i-it's propaganda!
>t-the s-source is suspect!
>therefore, none of the things retold are true!
Keep telling yourself that, you huetarded monkey

If communism is so good why did they abandon it for capitalism?

reall makes me think

Consequence of Marxism-Leninism :^)

Oh, yeah, and I would also like to add that the reason why those countries with predominant socialist parties have no real communist/socialist system, is because such delusional utopian system is impossible.

The main issue a rational person needs to understand is that "capitalism" is just a buzzword for a system of prioritize individual rights and freedom. Communists are inadvertently fighting to destroy civilization.

>WHEN YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUTVYOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN WHEN YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUTVYOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAINWHEN YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR RETARDED SYSTEM COLLAPSES

Freedoms capitalists support:
>1) Freedom of speech
>2) Freedom of association
>3) Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
>4) Freedom of religion
>5) Right to bear arms
>6) Right to property

Freedoms communists support:
>1)

>USA totally didn't install dictators all over South America
>who then proceeded to exterminate anybody even remotely left-wing
>turning SA into absolute shithole to be exploited for their resources by US corps

Literally it only had collapsed once. But say as many stupid things as you want.

>Notice how no part of my comment I said those countries have a communist system
I feel bad for triggering you, my special snowflake, I didn't know that you are a Aspie who doesn't know what is something called "retoric".

You are clever, you are very clever. No, no really, see, that's called sarcasm! Now you are learning things HURRRAYYYYY

>Communists are inadvertently fighting to destroy civilization.
Smoking crack should be illegal in Brazzersil

Well Chile has 3rd highest GDP per capita in Latin America, and that's pretty much thanks to their capitalistic focus and willingness to give commies free helicopter rides.

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They are such lolcows. We can milk them for lols.
"An"Caps are autistic and retarded, we can't change that but we can laugh hardly at them

its shit

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>Pinochet
>31st President of Chile
>In office
>17 December 1974 – 11 March 1990

It was kind of a shame that he was forced to leave just as his policies started to elevate Chile above the rest of the Latin nations.

fuckoff Leftypol, go back to your cripplechan

>how can i into english
Typical illiterate gommie :DDDDD

This is allowed in an ancap society, you know that right? Capitalism allows for coops, communes, and socialist enclaves, so long as you don't try to violently force your views on others.

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