Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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how about valid arguments, just once

We are plenty
Please, let the fuckin meme of the ayncap Molyneux "arguments" die

Hello OP, looking forward to set up the communism thread but I can see someone already has done it. Good job.

>We are plenty
its you the same guy. dynamic ip.
>meme of the ayncap Molyneux "arguments"
arguments are not a meme

Day of the rope for commies is coming.
I look forward to tossing antifa out of choppers.

Who know there's like 5 spaniards who use habitually pol, right?
>arguments are not a meme
Molyneux and his """""arguments""""""" is, in fact, a meme

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>Who know there's like 5 spaniards who use habitually pol, right?
sure,and all of them are commiefags.

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Go put some flowers to Lenin mausoleum for me comrade

give me a quick rundown on communism

why is this shit still going

AntiCom here monitoring all communications

BTFO Commiefags

You commies would be into little boys

are you guys aware of the discord raids on these threads?

Because communism is the future.

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take the bogpill, cummunism doesnt work and have been dubunked. bogdanoffism is the future.

for a better tommorow

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Remember to sage kids

>Because communism is the future
Future my ass

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Bogs are eco-stalinists.

FUCKING COMIEESSSS

GET OFF MY BOOOOOOOAAAARD

>Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class.

Yeah, except historically the "working class" controlling the state has been an elite cadre/vanguard that uses state power to create a new ruling system. Russia, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.

Anarchism is the ideology of socialism and communism, not M-L.

Is the Red Scare real? Is it true that China influenced the election through secret deals with the DNC to further Communist control beyond schools and to stop the threat of trump?

>inb4 your stupid ideology eventually ultimately crumbles
Get that Russie bs outta here son kys

Are you talking about liberals? those are capitalists too.

It's very real. if you haven't already, head over to the Anticom page and help us make this right.

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Cultural Marxism? Probably you want to mean the Cultural Hegemony of the Bourgeois
I love your childlish and autistic rage
But this is a friendly remeber that this is a communist thread, not a anti-communist or communism hate thread

I don't understand, what stops me from not working and just taking my money share in a communist state?

I figured the left was more anti-capitalist than the right. they seem to support Antifa.
whats examples of it being real though? I catch the occasional picture on here but it looks like some larper

Camarada, communism is stateless, you are talking about socialism, in socialism if you don't contribute by working you don't receive.

Wait, so cripples and other people who can't work are left to starve?

Tell me more.

the argument is the only thing that matters

Said the kike

I mean capable people of course, cripples and people unable receive compensation

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What are the benefits of communism?

Our current President is a commie puppet. And this.

But who is going to organize that if there's no state? Couldn't I just ask my uncle who works there to write me off as a cripple so I don't have to work?

>communism requires stateless
>needs central authority
>can't succeed in a confined nation
>somehow people people this will change if the finite earth were communist

Gommunists are so delusional it's hilarious.

the rothshilds bow to them, they are the true power.

are you sure? he doesn't seem to like China to much

You're implying heavily that any communist regime in history has implemented Marx' ideas

>communism is the future

If history has proven otherwise turboniggger

>implying that communism ever works
Enormous faggot.

Under communism you would live in a self-organizing network of autonomous communities. You have to understand that in communism there is great abundance of stuff thanks to productive technology advances, as a cripple you will have anything you need.

they got this diner in the us. it went broke because people wated 40 min for a sandwich....

All that image serves to do is prove that national socialism has been right all along

Havent seen this thread in ages, you guys getting demoralised or what ? :^)

Why do you believe that genocide is okay?

>another one of these threads

fuck off commie. its always the same franco loving dicksucker starting these

Not marxist socialism

>fuck off commie. its always the same franco loving dicksucker starting these

what? You think Franco was a communist?

Someone's never heard of synarchy

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This is the post that people need but not that people want

That's still a decentralized state with people who can be corrupted, creating another elite class. Unless if they're all just simple workers I guess but then we arrive at the same problem as democracy.
There's still need people who maintain, design and create those robots, and because resources are not infinite the problem of shortages still will exist.

Are you lost?

First step is to take control of the means of productions by the working class and liquidate the capitalist class, in marxism-leninism there would be a vanguard party with leaders democratically elected to govern the socialist state.

I'm at home comrade.

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And go on and explain why it fell down. You should also explain why The Commune fell down and why Revolutionary Catalonia fell down and literally every form of socialism fell down. Because outside forces dedicated massive amounts of resources to prevent them from succeeding.

I hate the fact that I have to save this but the amount of times I've seen COMMUNISM = JEWISH CONSPIRACY, even though communism would involve taking all the power jew's have (money and government influence) away from them.

Communism really is the true redpill tbqh. I was a generic austrian libertarian until I started actually learning about the subject matter.

Who gives a shit if the Communist threads get raided? It just means more people who have to have a discussion.

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But just like in any other system, these leaders will become corrupt, creating inequality between the common worker and those leaders and their families / friends. How can communism combat this if not through a lynch mob?
And redistributing the riches will only devalue the currency making it worthless in any market

Wrong.

Holy shit what a garbage facebook tier meme

>Your entire education on the subject matter of Communism is that of memes.

According to Vladimir Lenin, the purpose of the vanguard party is to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat; supported by the working class. The change of ruling class, from the bourgeoisie to the proletariat, makes possible the full development of socialism.

Communism is the most blue pilled idea of all time

>assumptions

lol

T H R E A D T H E M E
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>Capitalism allows you to be cucked, someone else takes your labor away from you and gives you less than what you made in return.
>Capitalism allows for jews to stay in power
>Yet Communism is bluepilled

Provide an argument against Communism then?

>Communism
>Free things
Let's see iletrate, IN A CAPITALISM SOCIETY are the NEET and the Bourgeois the people who get free things for doing nothing useful.

According to Marxist theory, the existence of any government implies the dictatorship of one social class over another. The dictatorship of the bourgeoisie is thus used as an antonym of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Marxism–Leninism follows the ideas of Marxism and Leninism, seeking to establish a vanguard party, to lead proletarian uprising, assume state power on behalf of the proletariat, and create a single party socialist state. The socialist state, representing a dictatorship of the proletariat is governed through the process of democratic centralism, which Vladimir Lenin described as "diversity in discussion, unity in action."

The great insight gained by the Frankfort school was to divorce Marxism from economics, and marry Marxism to the Culture, and the fruit of this fundamental change of strategy is known as Critical Theory.

Critical Theory is a brilliant strategy in two ways, the first being that it launches multiple apparently unconnected attacks against the dominant culture. The real source of its power and genius however, is that the criticism NEVER demands an alternative. What might have been better, what might have worked in its place, what alternatives have been tried successfully in the past.. Nothing. That's because they have nothing. There is no logic, no history and no factual underpinning to their dreams and philosophy.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
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Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:
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Cultural Marxism in action, political correctness. The tip of the blade:
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The History of Political Correctness (Complete)
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Yuri Bezmenov: Ideological Subversion
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[Documentary] Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:
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LET US WELCOME THE USEFUL (((Marxist))) IDIOTS:
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In both the broad and the narrow senses, Critical Theory provides the descriptive and normative bases for social inquiry aimed at decreasing "domination" and increasing "freedom" in all their forms through the redistribution of Social Power.

Goals of Marxism:
1) Destroy the Family
2) Destroy Private Property
3) Destroy Religion
4) Destroy the Nation

Have you started a business?
Do you value being able to do different jobs and make your own decisions? Or quit a job because you hate it?

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After the revolution the vanguard party disappears

>asking questions without also explaining why the answers are relevant
You are wasting everybody's time.

If I start a business for 100,000$ And I hire someone and they invest nothing why should we get paid equally? Or is that whole concept out the window under communism?

>WE WILL OVERWHELM THEIR BOARD!
>WE WILL INVADE THEIR SAFE SPACES
>WE ARE UNITED
>c-c-communism gen
>pls be serious
>please stop trolling
>guys plz im serious

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Thankfully no one cares about the Frankfurt school of witchcraft and wizardry, you do realize plenty of marxists are opposed to political correctness? Fucks sake I wouldn't be here if I didn't.

>1) Destroy the Family
No, Marx wanted to destroy the bourgeoisie family, the family that is only together for economic reasons. Capitalism can get in the way of marriage, because it is not just a love-based decision, it's also a financial one. Are you afraid of getting married, and having a divorce where the woman takes half of all you own? Then maybe you agree with Marx.

>2) Destroy Private Property
Let's see if you can figure out what "private property" means.

>3) Destroy Religion
I'd be lying if I said I knew enough about the subject of Marxism and religion, but I do know there is an ideology called Christian Communism (see pic related)

>4) Destroy the Nation
Effectively what makes a nation is government, the end goal of Communism is a lack of government, so this is technically true, but not in the "space jews are going to control your mind and make you hate your race and throw away your country" way.

I used to be 10 years old and didn't understand why the politicians in Denmark discriminated against communism. I thought they were evil for doing that.
But then I found out Soviet had plans to invade our countries by force. Hmmm.

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>It's greed that made them rich!
>If you earn 100 million and don't invest in charity, you're evil!
>If you cure cancer and make money off it, you are a scumbag!
Also, these retards don't help your cause. They are really bad PR for communism.

In communist retardland, there's no incentive to discover the cure for cancer, you aren't allowed to become rich from it.

wew.

>why should we get paid equally?
Who's saying you get paid equally?

He should get an equal share in the business.

Because of this, you're extremely unlikely to invest $100,000 in starting one. Who wants to start a business to give half of it away as soon as he hires somebody? That's why trade unions would form the bulk of investment, not individuals.

> The change of ruling class, from the bourgeoisie to the proletariat,
whos gonna rule the working class then?

Haha are you serious? Trade unions?

Also, is the notion that returns = amount of effort you put into the labor the base of Marxist economics?

What annoys me about the intellectual property debate is that there's no middle ground.

Consider two different products. One is the cure for cancer that will take a million billion dollars to produce and take 100 years of exclusive sales to be profitable.

This should probably be protected intellectual property or nobody will bother developing it.

Now consider a cutlery drawer for a dishwasher. This takes fuck-all to invent relative to actual products. Why is this protected for 70 years as exclusive intellectual property, making the lives of working people that little bit harder if they can't afford the brand that owns cutlery drawers?

Cutlery drawers don't need IP protection because simple competition causes them to be developed due to the low cost of the innovation. This should probably not be protected intellectual property.

IP protection should be reserved for the fields and products that really need it.

Why would you even bother making that post?

>Have you started a business?
Actually yes. This doesn't get at the larger point though, I don't think you understand WHY there is a need to separate individuals from their ownership from the means of production. Yes, I paid people less than they were producing so I could re-invest the profit into my business. And yes, when I hired them they consented to this. This is because the entire system requires this line of thought, if you do not exploit workers then you cannot win because your products are more expensive.

>Do you value being able to do different jobs and make your own decisions?
Yes, how is this relevant?

>Or quit a job because you hate it?
The issue is that not everyone can have that luxury forever. I'm sure many people in the Great Depression hated their job, they sure as fuck weren't going to quit.

Because they MAKE your business. If you come up with the brilliant idea for the lightbulb and you hire people to make the lightbulb, those people are the ones making it at scale and making it possible for you, and making it possible for you to be rich, because you are required to pay them as little as you can get away with.

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You're just rebranding functions that already exist within capitalism and trying to simplify them. Eventually communism would turn into capitalism

According to marx:

"Accordingly, the individual producer gets back from society—after the
deductions—exactly what he has given it. What he has given it is his
individual quantum of labour. For instance, the social working day consists
of the sum of the individual hours of work. The individual labour
time of the individual producer thus constitutes his contribution to the
social working day, his share of it. Society gives him a certificate stating
that he has done such and such an amount of work (after the labour done
for the communal fund has been deducted), and with this certificate he
can withdraw from the social supply of means of consumption as much as
costs an equivalent amount of labour. The same amount of labour he has
given to society in one form, he receives back in another."