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Scottish and can't listen to based bagpipe music anymore without everyone thinking I vote SNP because they hijacked music and culture for themselves and what it "means" to be Scottish.

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I am just happy that Sup Forums finally sees your people as the spineless lefty door mats that you are.

I remember how Sup Forums and Sup Forums used to love Scotland and Ireland and hated England.

It's mostly because politics is about how good you look on social media. Also a lot of people fell for pic related. I hate it.

Aye they stole the fucking flag too. I'm now embarrassed to fly it for folk thinking I'm an Indy/Pro-EU voter. SNP are nation destroying cunts.

t.ScotinRussia

What being Scottish means to the SNP is whatever gets them votes. If Ahmed and his four wives loves Ramadan but also wears a kilt then hes just as Scottish as you!

Reminder:

The SNP use the Odal rune upside down. Right way up in means protection of ones homeland...

Really makes you think.

i think both of you should be merry and good to each other. don't be retards, they wish to divide you.

That feel when unionist but after living in England for a year I'm leaning more towards independence. Scotland may suck, but I didn't appreciate how nice it could be until I left to see how the rest of Britain sucks more.

I hear the SNP are gonna nationalise ferries. There's a lot of discussion on the news about how they could go about doing this, but can anyone explain to me -why- they are going to do this?

Or is it just rampant SNP centralisation of everything for no reason carrying on.

Scotland and Ireland have the same problem

The British government in Westminster is viewed as a conservative entity so any nationalistic movement in both Ireland and Scotland is predisposed to being left wing

Ireland almost got lucky with Michael Collins but he was cut down before his time

True, but it goes deeper I think... they are globalists, ready to get on board with an agenda of destroying national identity and sovereignty by wooing as many shitskins as they can into Scotland, and climbing fully in bed with the EU should they ever gather enough power to do these things, god help us.

SNP/Pro-EU shills will hand Scotland to the EU on a plate, and get a nice cushy job in Brussels and an EU pension in return. For Sturgeon and her ilk it's like winning the lottery.

Excellent work comrade, 0,6 rubles have been deposited in your account.

I have to say though, a lot of the first generation Pajeet immigrants did really well to integrate.Saying that, down in England it sounds like a hellhole and SNP actually want this for us.

Funny then that the immigrant vote cost them the referendum. If only native Scots had voted then Scotland would be out the UK.

SNP took it up around the time they formed, when Nazi-ism was spreading across Europe, who were fond of the rune themselves and continue to be to this day. Incidentally the SNP also got busted for being Nazi sympathisers during WW2.

Shame they seem to have forgotten those roots and become fully cucked.

Not really. SNP USED to be called the tartan Tories. It was usurped by socialists, many of them 2nd and 3rd generation bog trotters with an irrational hatred of the English.

It is shameful that people know so little about our history within the Union and the empire and all the great things we have done together.

Scotland will be Scotland up until the point it becomes Region #41 in the European Union.

They did here too, it's only the ones in the last 20 years of mass immigration that didn't. Doesn't mean we should flood ourselves eitherway. Besides, Scotland had been voting for this for years the only thing was you guys never saw the effects because they always flocked to Londonistan and never bothered going further north assuming London was where all the gibs were/ their own kind were now cemented there and naturally they wanted to be with them. The "right wing" Scottish folks (which considering how many of you vote for some variant of left party i really struggle to accept exist) really do not know how good they have it in the UK using England as a bulwark against their shitty decisions.

Yes, I remember Thatcher really loved Scotland. Such a warm loving legacy she left. Strange that the Scots have deserted the Tories...

>Funny then that the immigrant vote cost them the referendum. If only native Scots had voted then Scotland would be out the UK.

Perhaps. The whole thing was poorly planned from the start, and even more poorly implemented. Thank fuck for them being useless cunts.

I did read something about SNP Nazi sympathisers though I've never seen an early party logo that used the odal rune. Upside down it makes no sense for a Nationalist party though.

Ironically people still think they are "tartan tory's". What really boils my blood is how ignorant thier voter base is to what they have clearly said they stand for.

That shits a meme. Even if we ignore Labour doing the exact same for years prior England got fucked just as hard if not harder. London only cares about London and give as little shits about England as they do Scotland or Wales.

the famous bagpipe songs are all military marches used for british army regiments

Work on your English Colgate. I wasn't taking about the Tory's.

youtube.com/watch?v=V0o7v50OOgs

Autistically play this and you'll get no trouble from the snp

>If only native Scots had voted then Scotland would be out the UK.

Pretty sure whenever immigrants were voted in Scotland they almost always said they would vote yes. I mean christ they paraded Pajeets around on tv in kilts promising a "new inclusive and multicultural Scotland" outside of the UK.

>whenever immigrants were voted in Scotland

*Interviewed, whoops.

>colgate
You do realise what your Putin rag looks like, right?

>If only native Scots had voted then Scotland would be out the UK.

The only places that voted leave were the inner cities.

STFU and vote Geert.

There is literally no worse sounding instrument than a bagpipe. Fucking awful racket.

Your convenient usage of вpaньё says enough about your allegiance Ivan.

Ironic quote from le lolbertarian nigger, considering we replaced what works with neoliberalism by transferring the blame for an energy crisis onto economic policy

Pretty sure he's talking about English people living in Scotland

Listen to the world champs and say that again. Buskers give bagpipes a bad name with thier 3 tunes they know and play horribly and out of tune...

bbc.co.uk/programmes/p044lk2f

THAT is how they are supposed to sound.

Pretty sure thats just bollocks SNPcucks cried about after getting BTFO, unless half their country are now English immigrants.

Stats say otherwise, it was one of the first things I recall noticing in the analysis afterwards, and found it hilarious. SNP would only interview their pet pajeets though, can't let the natives pick up the fact they are losing their country.

If immigrants had not been allowed to vote, Scotland wouldn't be in the UK.

I guess they put it that way to avoid suspicion back in the day and just keep it now.

Tartan Torys comes from the early SNP's MPs in Westminster making a deal with Thatcher to vote with the Conservatives to kill the then Labour government and help install Thatcher as PM. It's all in official record but you'll never hear it from a Nat, only name calling and evasion.

Their voter base is retarded, they are filled by the SNP leftist talk but all the SNP do is crnt slide power under their head office no matter the cost and sell everything out to the EU and other globalists. They're basically liberals in every way Sup Forums hates and everyone goes along with it. SNPnats would happily replace every Scot with a sandnigger if they thought it would get them indepenence.

>SNP took it up around the time they formed, when Nazi-ism was spreading across Europe
That logo was created in 1962, actually. Before that it used the Lion Rampart, but that was hilariously unwieldy. (Think: Which would you rather get someone to paint on a wall.)

>I hear the SNP are gonna nationalise ferries
kek
I remember when labour was whining the SNP were going to privatise them.

>Upside down it makes no sense for a Nationalist party though.
It's a coincidence.
The first logo was a slightly swooshier version of the one they've got now. When the 80s hit, they decided to go full retard and square it off, which made it look like the odal rune (even then, the odal rune often has two "arms" missing on the SNP logo), they then went even more full retard in about 1994 and made it the "Cyclops bunny" by filling in the middle and adding a star to indicate pro-EU-ness (because they've an alliance of convenience with the EU, as it provides a "higher power" to which they can appeal against the UK.) which made them look like a demented trotskyist branch or something, so then they swapped to a less swooshy version of the original logo.

It's a design masterstroke, honestly, regardless of anything to do with the party.
>Saltire
>Thistle
>Clootie Dumpling

I honestly don't believe that but then again knowing the average Scottish voter i suppose it is entirely possible considering how effortless it is to sell them on a shit idea if you say "MUH ENGLISH MUH WESTMINSTER" a few times.

Seeing them team up with the Greens (Reds) at every opportunity says it all.

May shot down the SNP over inderyref2 this week and Rudd shot they down over devolved immigration powers (thank fuck), so lets hope that's us safe for a while at least.

I know this is a scotland thread but redpill me on this please, im quite interested and can't into economics

>Tartan Torys comes from the early SNP's MPs in Westminster making a deal with Thatcher to vote with the Conservatives to kill the then Labour government and help install Thatcher as PM. It's all in official record but you'll never hear it from a Nat, only name calling and evasion.
It wasn't to "help install Thatcher as PM", it was to help bring about a general election that was inevitable within a few months anyway, to leave a stain on Labour's record as "The party that managed to lose a confidence vote after the war"

The Liberal party also joined them in a confidence vote because they'd expected Labour to call an election in 1978 (which they'd probably have won, albeit with a majority of 1 or so, meaning 4 more years of nightmares for Mr. Callaghan.) and were upset when they didn't.

It's generally ignored that the reason for this is that the Labour government repealed the devolution statute even though Scotland voted narrowly for it. (Against the will of Michael Foot, who said Labour should make excuses to kick the repeal beyond the general election.) Since many Labour MPs sided with Thatcher to impose a rule requiring a % of the electorate to vote for it too. (Under these terms, even if nobody voted remain then "Leave" would've lost.)

And even then Labour fell by a single vote, which they allowed to happen because they were so awestruck by one Tory who offered to abstain (because a Labour MP was dying in hospital) , at severe risk to his own career given the gravity of the situation.

Confidence vote or no confidence vote, Thatcher was going to be PM in 1979, the only people who could have put a stop to that were James Callaghan or Edward Heath. (By calling an election in 1978, or doing a deal with the Liberals in 1974 respectively.)

scotland so badly wants to become a multicultural hellhole but no muzzies and sandniggers want to live there

Make Scotland proud to be British again.

Rubbish. There are tonnes - far too many there already. FAR too many.

From the late 40s until 1971, all currencies were valued against the US dollar, and that was valued against gold. This helped to keep values stable (although we did devalue from time to time.), and your balance of payments (trade deficit/surplus) under control. If there was a brief temporary shortfall, the IMF could loan the difference. The idea was to help control speculation, generally promote economic stability and what could best be termed "fairness".

The system was named Breton Woods after the conference at which it was decided, and there were two major proposals: The British one, headed by John Maynard Keynes, and the American one. Keynes wanted a more far-reaching system where instead of the USD, all currencies would be pegged to an accounting unit named the "Bancor", and all trade between nations would be conducted in Bancor. Bancor would be a "use it or lose it" currency, and balance trade that way. Unlike the IMF as it turned out in practice, this would be largely apolitical, because the system would be automatic. (If you have say, X bancor and you're going to lose them in December, you'll be likely to invest them in a nation running a trade deficit, thus bringing them to neutrality again.)

In any case, the Americans won the day. Still, Keynes was king in domestic economic policy, aided by the international stability the system brought about. The primary policy aim of Keynesian economics being to keep down unemployment. (And the simplified idea being that the government should invest (often in infrastructure) during a recession, because that'll provide employment, increasing the spending power of normally unemployed workers, and bringing you out of it faster - while also giving you nice infrastructure.)

This was all well and good until 1971. Because the system used USD, a crisis arose because the US had to decide whether to meet short-term domestic needs for the dollar, or their international obligations.
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The bagpipe comes from England you stupid bastard....along with everything else!

scots are a nation of immigrants.

I hate this fucking country.

Also, a good number of countries - when they began to doubt US willingness to convert the dollar to gold, started demanding their gold. The US therefore suspended convertibility of the dollar in 1971, ending the "Breton Woods" system and leaving currency-values to float relatively freely. (Britain kept exchange controls until 1981, however.)

Finally in 1973, a series of events struck that ended the prosperity for good. The USA passed peak oil just as the Arabs began an embargo over their support for Israel, sending global oil-prices skyrocketing. There was a steel crisis around the same time. Because the oil price rocketed, inflation did likewise (because production costs were going up without any greater efficiency), which was exacerbated at first by Edward Heath refusing a pay-increase recommended to miners by a commission on their pay. They went on strike, leading to the 3-day-week and his fall as PM.

Inflation became the major political issue of the day, peaking at 20% or so but declining to 10.3% by the time Labour had lost power because of their policy of pay restraint by the unions. (I believe it was down at 8% in 1978, it climbed again thanks to the second oil shock and the failure of a third-tier of pay restraint) Despite the pay restraint policy being frustrated by the fact they didn't have a majority and Thatcher continually voted down their plans to enable the government to refuse public contracts or aid to private companies that didn't follow the guidelines.

The treasury overestimated how much Britain had to borrow in 1976, sending them to the IMF for a loan - for which spending cuts were imposed. (Because the IMF was able to make politically motivated decisions, and the US was trying out neoliberal policies of deregulation in an attempt to solve their own economic problems rooted in the energy crisis.)

So we got Thatcher, who got the credit for controlling inflation as it declined across the western world when oil prices collapsed.
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ScotinSpain reporting. Basque country. From Northwest. Scotland is immeasurably better than England, which is in its present state, a bunch of undereducated whites who are being bred out by hostile niggers. Anyone with a brain in Scotland cannot see we're superior, and need to leave the UK to start putting our people first. We're being dictated to by weak poms who've literally allowed themselves to be genocided. It doesn't make sense.

Can see*
Autocorrect

Sympathies from south of the border.
However, looking at it logically, things might work out... Brexit happening in 2 years (wish it was sooner) and then the SNP might get another independence referrendum.... Then Scots realise that they would actually loose a lot of autonomy by joining the EU (assuming the EU hasn't already collapsed and assuming the EU let Scotland in).

Should also mention the UK getting back its fishing waters. The UK used to have Europes biggest fishing industry and the lions share of that was in Scotland. Scotland would get that back after Brexit... Will you guys really want to give it up as a 'common resource' to the EU in order to get membership? I think not.

I just think that most Scottish people will look at this in the cold light of day and vote to stay in the UK.

LMAOOOOO

>implying you're not this guy

When I get kicked outof Spain for being British I'm going to live in Scotland to help it secede from its evil English overlords

Hopping back in time, there are some rather interesting elements to the story.
Lots of liberal/libertarian inclined people hated Keynesian economics because of the degree of state intervention it encouraged or allowed for, and because they often believed this would invariably spiral into totalitarianism.
One, for example, was Friedrich Hayek. He eventually met with a man who'd read his book "the road to serfdom" and asked what he should do to stave this off. Hayek's idea? Create swathes of free-market think-tanks to change the opinions of politicians. This gave us the "Institute for Economic Affairs" ( general story here bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/fdb484c8-99a1-32a3-83be-20108374b985 )

And guess where Thatcher regularly dined? The IEA. She got most of her policy from these think tanks. The Adam Smith institute, for example, was founded by some Tories who'd visited the US heritage foundation. The IFS was founded by some who were angry about the 60s Labour government introducing corporation and capital gains taxes, and so on.
Most Think-Tanks exist not to think, but to shill, and they've been tremendously successful.

With the collapse of currency-pegging and a return to free capital flows, we've seen a huge empowerment of money over people. Governments can easily be pushed around by speculators, outsourcing becomes trivial, and eventually you get disasters like the 2008 crisis. Also, in the nature of the system (and part of the 80s deregulations) is an explosion in western personal debts, as credit rules were relaxed to mask wage stagnation.

Incidentally, Britain hasn't run a trade surplus since 1986, and the balance of trade in goods hasn't been positive since around 1980. (I've oft wondered what the situation for Scotland would be, simply for the oil value historically. A smaller population would mean less imports and consumption. That's independent of the independence question.)

Neoliberalism and Globalism go hand in hand.
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This.
Our fish-meme leaders have sold us down the river.

Incidentally, since 2008 Scotland is one of the few regions to have seen anything like a recovery. (And even then behind London.)

>LMAOOOOO
It is weird that the SNP are so into the self-genocide of Cultural Marxism but also only want one thing in life... 'Independence for Scotland'.

Another example of SNP's adoration of Cultural Marxism was a recently failed attempt at a Law that would have meant that a state nominated person would be made almost like a guardian of all children born in Scotland until they were 18. Called the 'Named Person' Act. It would also be combined with other changes to the Law to make it easier for Social Services to take kids away from their parents.

Only a quarter of us voted remain and that was just the loudmouth SNP cucks, the rest of us either dislike the EU or are too busy shooting up to care.

>Caused seemingly weekly hassle with the trains.
>If it's not the trains it's a bridge being closed for repair.
>Self declared know-nothing about transport ministry.
>Caught driving without car insurance.
Is human trafficking the only transport he's actually improved?

>Neoliberalism and Globalism go hand in hand.
Yes, very true.

>With the collapse of currency-pegging and a return to free capital flows, we've seen a huge empowerment of money over people
Well, I agree with the situation we're in - debt slavery and debased currencies together with massive wealth transfer from the productive economy to leach-like bankers but... Currency pegging doesn't really exist any more to any great extent. As for free capital flows, that's a part of the bigger issue that's at the root of it. Globalism in the form that's been developing for years is only going to create the 'new Serfdom', which you mentioned. Reject Liberalism and leftist ideologies and therefore reject Globalism.

>Only a quarter of us voted remain and that was just the loudmouth SNP cucks
Good stat. I just hope that we now get a clean Brexit. If the UK is allowed to work properly again, Scotland should benefit but only when enough Scots kick the SNP out. If too many Scots are shooting up, that's partly down to Cultural Marxist strategies employed by SNP.

>Highlanders are generally more conservative but more supportive of independence
>Lowlanders are generally more left wing but less supportive of independence

Is there an appetite for a right wing independence party in Scotland, do you think?

>Only a quarter of us voted remain and that was just the loudmouth SNP cucks
About a third actually, only just over the number of Yes voters.

And even then, stats show about 40% of SNP members voted leave (more than all the other parties in Holyrood) yet are getting airbrushed out of the image by the scum in Holyrood (including that dyke Davidson).

>Currency pegging doesn't really exist any more to any great extent
Well yeah. That's the big problem.
The Bancor aroused some interest in 2008, but it seems to have been completely forgotten about since. I can't say I'm for unilaterally fixing exchange rates or pegging, because all that does is open you up to speculative attack (Pegging ourselves to the ERM is how Soros made a fortune on Black Wednesday.) unless it's done as part of an international system of controls.

Irritatingly, "right-wing" parties rarely want to challenge the system. The Brexiteers who call for free-trade deals, etc, are essentially advocating we ramp it up even more, leaving the EU to open ourselves up to exploitating by the rest of the world. Most of them have been filled with economic liberals or libertarians who fear the domestic state while ignoring that when you deregulate, you usually just wind up owned by the Chinese state.

The main whining about the system comes from the left at the moment (the economic, as opposed to social left) but they've limited ideas on how to pragmatically replace it, and even less power to actually make it happen as the social-democratic parties around the west collapse in on themselves. Gordon Brown spent most of his time trying to save the system. The two play hand-in-hand in a lot of ways. (Blair for example was a very smooth transition from Major's economics, even retaining the trade-union crushing legislation, but he added mass immigration for natural economic and planned cultural reasons.)

I think some sort of pragmatist alliance between "Old Labour" lefties (pre-79, not 1983) and genuine small-c conservatives will be necessary going into the future, although it borders on fantasy.

I've been meaning to hunt down a book: "Neoliberal Scotland: Class and Society in a Stateless Nation". The premise seems rather interesting, as Scotland has been used for a lot of neoliberal testing (Skye Bridge being the first UK PFI project for instance.)

I know what you mean, they've seemingly hijacked literally everything about Scotland and managed to turn it into Pro-Indy shite, it bugs me

>It is shameful that people know so little about our history within the Union and the empire and all the great things we have done together.

Because none of it is ever taught in school. At least when I was in school anyway. I don't know about now, but I'd doubt it.
I knew fuck all about British history until I was in my late teens. The only things we covered in history were vikings, early settlers and WW2.

For example I remember being about 18 and being amazed that Britain administered India, and for so long. It was a huge part of our history yet we never knew a fucking thing about it.

>Implying they want independence anymore

It's probably just a ploy to get another Ref, but they now want us "Independent in the EU" and it's actually killing their support now
Contrary to what people think I think most of Scotland voted to stay as a status quo cause nobody knows fuckall about the EU here, but Sturgeon and the gang now want us in that situation and it's not working for them

The problem in Scotland is that it is, for the most part, far removed from the problems in England. It makes people live in a sheltered bubble.

Sadly it will take the SNP's dreams to come to life for people to realise what a mistake they made voting for them. By then it will be too late to save Scotland.

>now want us "Independent in the EU"
This has been their policy since the late 80s or so.
Rather interesting paper on it: sussex.ac.uk/webteam/gateway/file.php?name=sei-working-paper-no-112.pdf&site=266

Do you find that the SNP and their ilk are actually a minority but seem to just shout the loudest?

Barely anyone of my friends, family or people I speak to actually support them. Yet when you go to England everyone thinks they represent 100% of Scotland.

This is pretty good and it's comfy
youtube.com/watch?v=CuhH7k5Axjo

Many people already seem to be losing hope in the SNP thankfully, I know my family and friends are very representative of the whole country, but in 2014 they were the most die hard Indy voters screeching that anyone who didn't want to was English or loved English cock, but within a year they've done a huge turn-around which I think says something about what the SNP is doing

Ah, I never really knew that, I'll try and have more of a read at that paper later on, but what I think is weird is when they were campaigning about Indy 3 years ago they never really mentioned much about the EU until it was said we wouldn't be in it if we were independent and then they just kept going "We will be!!"

In a way I think so, and that's only because not many people up here seem to give a toss about GE's etc and the ones that do are the SNP voters, but people seem to be making a turnaround to try and combat the SNP by voting bloody Tory, who I'm not a fan off but i'd rather them than the SNP in control of Scotland

>Lowlanders are generally more left wing but less supportive of independence
I'm surprised. I would have said the other way round as a general rule. I have a few Scottish fiends and acquaintances as well as chatting to Scots online and it seems that Liberal\Left are for globalism/Leaving the UK and more mature/conservative Scots wan to stay in the UK.

I'm a Slav (Ukrainian/Russian) who has lived in the Northeast Fife/Dundee area since I was a child and I pass for white. Am I still welcome here?

Here in Glasgow they seem to be maintaining their young vote alright.

However most people I meet on the job or with my friends (who are all in work) are fed up with them. Complete U-turn as you said. It's getting worse since more people have found out that Sturgeon's area is Govanhill.

Plus the SNP seem to be a bit of a bind at the moment. Most conservative nationalists I'v know or heard about want out of the UK and to not be in the EU. Obviously we all know the SNP wants out of the UK and in shackles with the EU. It'll split their base if they keep playing Muh EU card.

Also to non-Scottish Anons, we are not taught anything about the British Empire up here except the slave trade. I only learned about it outside of school in my free time when I got into reading about history. It's disgusting that they miss it out since Scotland was a big part in running it and supplying it. Glasgow was referred to as the second city of the Empire after London at one point.

Honestly barely anywhere was supportive of independence except a few places and some barely scraped by the Remain vote

Think a lot of it is their blind support becoming more politically aware the past year, there was a time I thought a yes vote was anti-EU until I started paying attention.

Also were the Jacobite rebellions the last time Scotland was uncucked?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7YnGrRfGko

Scotland is so parochial,its own worst enemy.

>Well yeah. That's the big problem.
Ah, I misunderstood you. I thought you mean currency pegging was a cause of the problems. It's a difficult one for reasons you pointed out - like the ERM debacle. Also, there are benefits of a floating currency as well - it often acts as a self-regulating valve on the economy. Greece going into the Euro Zone was a stupid, stupid thing and many of us said so at the time. If Greece still had it's own currency and let it float, they would be in a much better position now. I think we are basically on the same page though - Neoliberalism (as a realisation of Cultural Marxism) has lead to the shit we see happening around us in the World. The global banking and monetary system is a big part of it. Who controls that? You know.

>Triples Trips
Noice

Glasgow and Dundee seem to be their main strongholds, I've heard they''re trying to woo Aberdeen but from the sounds of it they're having none of their bollocks

>Sturgeons area in Govanhill

God I remember those videos, that's honestly fucking terrible how she and the party allow the place to get in that fucking state, there's rats everywhere, rubbish all over the streets.
I remember one guy was interviewing her on the street about it and she was barely saying anything except the usual "We are commited to helping the deprived areas of Scotland" and the reporter was having none of it, she always kept looking away too and it looked like she was trying to hide her face

Were you an Indy voter? If so was it the Pro-EU stuff that made you change your mind?

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the Jacobite rebellion was never about Scottish Sovereignty.

It was about restoring a British Monarch

>For example I remember being about 18 and being amazed that Britain administered India
Essentially, the UK is an amazing enterprise. England as the powerful neighbour, Scotland, Northern Island and Wales got together and ruled most of the World. How many Scottish and Welsh Prime Ministers have we had? Quite a few, right? We won't rule the world again and neither should we try but we could do well outside of the EU again.

The left-wing monopoly on Scottish media, especially comedy, doesn't really help matters. That combined with the SNP going around as if they actually represent what people in Scotland think gives a really bad impression of the country from the outside.

>"Independent in the EU"
That always makes me chuckle. Give up any independence you might have, in the EU, is what that means.

>American-Irish Republican
> =Maximum cringe

>Most conservative nationalists I'v know or heard about want out of the UK and to not be in the EU
Those are the only nationalists within the party. The rest aren't nationalist in the slightest if they support the EU.

The only reason they hold Glasgow is because of the celtic supporters chanting "IRA all the way" (can't really call them catholic since most probably never go to church, and the fact that Ireland itself turned it's back on the church in 2015).

I have to travel through govan everyweek day and the only Govaners left are over the age of 50, and all of them have the look of someone who's lost their home; the rest are either Muslims or working aged gypsies or their children neither at a job or school respectively.
Hell, yesterday I saw some immigrant mother leave her child alone in a pram in the street to go into paddy power, not even with the buckle strapped in.

Englishman here. We do think, incorrectly it seems, that Sturgeon and the SNP IS Scotland and is put up by all of you to speak on your behalf.
It's rare that you see any Scot on tv talking about Scotland, that isn't going on about independance.
If the SNP isn't the sole voice of Scotland, you really ought to mention it to her.
We Don't like Sturgeon and we think Sturgeon is Scotland so we get shitty about Scotland and wish ill upon them. This needs to change.

Fucking scots, fucking white apes man. Have you seen their jaws?

Primate throwbacks, the lot of them.

I really hate the negative views on British history that are taught. People have this really annoying habit of looking at the past through the perspective of the present day. The world back then was very different culturally, politically and economically. Everyone had an entirely different world view - mostly because people, all over the world, didn't know much about the rest of it.

Then idiots judge the past based on their modern, interconnected, global perspective and it demonises an era falsely.

I have to say, their tactical rationale for it is pretty good.
If you want to leave the EU later, you only really need Holyrood approval de-jure. To leave the UK, Westminster needs to consent.
The last card against a westminster rejection would be to get EU help, and that option is fast disappearing if Scotland's going to be out of the UK. Like bancor, it's use-it-or-lose-it.

It'll be interesting to see what option is taken

Who is guarding Britain's 6 o' clock?!

The SNP fucking parade this guy around, it's so embarrassing.

>LOOK WE'RE NOT RACIST WE HAVE A DARKIE

Who descended from Scottish aristocracy here?

Most clan chiefs and chieftans who I've met are anti independence btw

One of my friends used to think England annexed us into the Union forcefully until I explained it too him, it was one of the most stupid things i'd ever heard in my life

Plastic Paddies pls go

Yeah, always bugs me to see how Glasgow is full of scummy people like that, overall though i'm not a fan of Rangers v Celtic hooligan violence

Also I never knew Govan was that dire, but that just makes it sound even more sad, somebody needs to sort it out, and I know for a fact it isn't going to be the SNP
I'd love for a Nationalist party who wants us in the Union but properly looks out for us

I have a """"rare"""" Scottish surname, might be it's own clan, might not be.

I've not delved far back into it.

>One of my friends used to think England annexed us into the Union forcefully until I explained it too him, it was one of the most stupid things i'd ever heard in my life

This. I hate the England colonised/owns Scotland meme that Yes voters perpetuate.

The union was basically a marriage between Scotland and England. A mutual agreement that made sense then and still does now.

>If you want to leave the EU later, you only really need Holyrood approval de-jure
I think that's a ploy because it's actually not so easy as the UK is seeing right now. The UK might only just have succeeded because we were not in the Euro Zone and we are bloody cantankerous bastards who hate being pushed around by Frogs and cucked Crouts.

I have a common one, sadly people like I'm Scottish,

Urg, being compared to savages.

Sadly Australia is a perfect example, the UK can get a long and integrate, English, Scots, Car Bombs all living together in peace.

Just dont invite the dutch, I weep for South Africa.

>as the UK is seeing right now
That's mostly domestic trouble, though. The primary problem has just been triggering Article 50 and the British (unwritten) constitution requiring parliamentary approval.
Personally, I think the government was just buying time by disputing the need for parliamentary approval, since the referendum was called without the expectation it'd be won by leave.

Getting Scotland out of the EU after independence wouldn't be trivial in domestic political terms mind you. Just tactically, if you want to be out of both the EU and the UK, it's worth considering salami-slicing it that way.