Why are libertarians becoming fascists?

Why is it such a common theme around Sup Forums for people to go from Libertarian---->White Nationalist-------->Fascist?

I no exception to the rule either, I was a libertarian from 2012 to about the end of 2015 when I took the plunge into the reactionary rabbit hole.

Why is this a phenomenon? Aren't libertarians supposed to be anti-state, anti-authority, and anti-big government, and pro-subjective morality? Why have people slid in the opposite direction towards objective morality, nationalism, authoritarianism etc

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Because Libertarians are retards. They're constantly looking to be a part of the "counter-culture". Right now being an edgy Fascist faggot is what they perceive as being Counter-Culture.

Society is degenerating. It's easy to be a libertarian in a relatively stable homogenus country. When the political debate of the day is whether to import more Muslims and whether to unironically support pedophilia, Libertarianism is no longer viable and the filth needs cleansing.

fascism is the traditional historical response to rising communism.

More like Libertarian---->Communitarianism-------->Fascism

This, the NAP can't be implemented if there are people who don't follow it within your society.

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Drumpf will get assassinate

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You realize that libertarianism is only possible in a society populated by smart people who don't care about groups. You realize this will never happen and other groups will always trump your individualism. You also realize that hierarchy is natural from the insect world all the way up to the human world.

Basically it's just you accepting what is, instead of you wishing for dreams

nature is holarchic

humanity is archonic

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Libertarianism is just crypto white nationalism.

You want no wealth redistribution because it's redistribution from whites to minorities. You want gun rights to protect yourself from minority crime. Why not just become a racist.

The fascist part comes when you comprehend the full danger of left-wing ideology.

This is literally the current political climate, except the lefties have a massive headstart

Whether they realize it or not, Fascists and Libertarians fundamentally have similar ends that they are trying to reach with different means. They're both social Darwinists who accept that there are better and worse people and that a society's infrastructure should reinforce outcomes proportional to any given person's competence/intelligence.

I think when Libertarians start to understand the demographic winter it kind of shits all over their intended means. Their philosophy is basically worthless if it yields the result of inviting in groups that are hostile towards Libertarianism.

Because they realize most shitskins won't reciprocate their ideals as they become the majority

because libertarianism doesnt work with niggers

Because Capitalism is a hollow and poisonous ideology that consumes the spirit and nation with vapid consumerism, identity and narcissism.

-pizza gate is real
-le pen will win, EU will dissolve by 2020
-Nordfront is going to gain so much traction that Sweden returns to 99% white
-Trudeau will be burnt on a cross, his body parts mailed to Israel
-Germany's ISIS army will be purged by America in the great war of 2022
-Anglosphere will rule the world by 2030

>leaf

Very related.

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Some start realize that a hands off libertarian society will be undermined by all the left-wing activists.

We are fighting for our survival, and we must take extreme measures to succeed.

pic related.

People are realizing freedom isn't free

We are national libertarians, just like socialists become national socialists.

libertarians aren't really fascists. they simply are bored and want to upset people for laughs.

this, and libertarianism is more common in adolescents because they feel oppressed by authority

Because those people, including you, are lying about formerly being libertarian. You never really gave a shit it was just the safer option than going full fascist. You were always a fascist at heart. Stop ruining us libertarian's image.

fascism and white nationalism is necessary for libertarianism to work one day

You can't have a Libertarian society with degenerates and mud people. Serious Libertarianism is basically Fascism.

Pretty much this. I'm a diehard libertarian. I deeply believe in the personal freedoms of every man, woman, and child on the planet. I believe that EVERYONE, regardless of color or creed or political affiliation has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But unfortunately, I also realize that some cultures simply aren't compatible with those ideals, and the only way to safeguard these rights for everyone else is a very isolationist, reactionary policy until things are settled down

I'd be a libertarian in an ideal world.

Too bad this isn't an ideal world.

>We are national libertarians

how will you employ the unemployed? how will house, clothe and feed those who don't have the means to obtain those things in adequate amount?

its not tho. if you were racist to begin with, its pretty easy to shift to statism/natsoc.

i wasnt, so i m still a libertarian. but most american libertarians are racists.

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libertarians are even more autistic than communists

The only way to maintain libertarianism is a homogenous society and the best way to maintain and order a homogenous society is fascism.

You can't have a functional libertarian state without the population first being naturally obedient to a social contract and that is much easily achieved with a homogeneous, high-trust population. The best way that we can realistically achieve this libertarian state in the real world is with white-nationalist population as long as we also crack down on the dysgenic and degenerate culture and society destroying behaviours that plague and rot our civilisation today.

>how will you employ the unemployed? how will house, clothe and feed those who don't have the means to obtain those things in adequate amount?
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Under a libertarian system, the anti whites win because nothing is done about the non-whites outbreeding us in our own homelands, so unless you first have a period of rehomogenization, libertarianism is an unstable state.

because kek wills it desu familio

>don't have the means
Define this.

>adequate amount
Define this.

>implying degeneracy wouldn't be even worse in a libertarian society
lolbergs never had a long-term strategy. They just hated authority because of a lack of roots and belonging to an in-group when literally everyone who isn't white gets to play at tribalism for their own gain.

Ayn Rand is the other side of the Marxist coin to give those disillusioned with socialism an alternative that still serves Jewish interests. Its controlled opposition that seeks to degrade and deconstruct the same social bedrock that communism does.

Why do you think the right-wing parties all end up as free-market globalists across the planet except in unkiked places like Japan?

It's been said before, but libertarianism requires volunteerism which is most functional and stable under a monoculture society. When a cultural hegemony is unavailable or unattainable, the state becomes a necessary evil to manage the population.

because inevitably you realize that the libertarian dream cannot be realized in a multicultural leftist shithole, and reactionary violence enacted by the state must be used to create the conditions necessary for freedom.

we have the helicopter but

Liberalism (libertarianism) brought the United States and United Kingdom unparalleled prosperity during the 18th and 19th Centuries, and has made economic giants out of formerly impoverished Asian nations today. Meanwhile, Fascism's crowning accomplishment is the literal destruction of Europe.

The historical record broadly shows that authoritarian societies fail, whereas those that cherish individual liberty thrive. To "accept what is" is to accept the failure of authoritarianism wherever it has been instituted.

>those that cherish individual liberty thrive

Only when they are majority white.

>all those sneaky hooknoses

I consider myself a Libertarian, but like many others, I'm starting to question my beliefs. People won't leave you alone. They won't respect the NAP. They won't accept the free market because they're too dumb to compete.

I'm starting to believe that a libertarian society can only exist if everyone has an IQ of at least 110 or 120, and to get there we need a race war.

>Liberalism (libertarianism) brought the United States and United Kingdom unparalleled prosperity during the 18th and 19th Centuries, and has transferred their wealth to formerly impoverished Asian nations today.
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this libertarianism is practically white nationalism for people too scared to advocate for white nationalism of people that trick themselves into thinking they're not white nationalism. That or they are just naïve universalists trying to come up with a universalist solution to issues.

Universalism is definitely a dead-end however, especially when not all men are created equal and there is different values, qualities and behaviours prominent in different groups. Islam is an ideology not compatible with universalism for example because they wish to bring down universalist systems to propagate their faith, like remove Western justice systems in favour of Shariah which does give benefit to people in the faith.

Well, Libertarianism is basically just, "man, leave people the fuck alone and let them live their life"

but then you realize there are people out there who don't and never will, allow others to just "live their life" who will stop at nothing to have total and utter control over others, to treat them like cattle, slaves, food - whatever. You realize genuine maliciousness actually does exist and it is not in fact merely "everyone thinks they're a hero".

And you see the amount of power and influence some of the most evil people you could ever imagine have. You see the damage they do to a society. You see the damage the society does to ITSELF without any control or guidance.

And you realize that we need Good leadership. We need those Benevolent Dictators to get shit done and fix messes. Society begs for a hierarchy and there will always BE a hierarchy whether you want it or not, so why not mold it in a form that is good for everyone?

Libertarianism is like a teething phase where you've started to question society around you, but haven't had your questions answered.
Fascism is where you go once you've received those answers.

South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore are more prosperous and successful than many white nations. They are also some of the freest economies in the world.

Forces you to contemplate, eh?

i'm not totally sold on the whole nazi thing. but i would be happy to volunteer my 100% superior aryan sperm to any family who cant get kids or are racially deficient.

>Liberalism (libertarianism) brought the United States and United Kingdom unparalleled prosperity during the 18th and 19th Centuries
The only "liberal" parts of 18th century liberalism were economic. I agree that laisse faire economics leads to higher growth and more wealth, but thats about the only good thing it does.

>economic giants out of formerly impoverished Asian nations today.

Singapore is a country we should strive to emulate, I agree both in their economic liberties and their strong moralistic society.

>whereas those that cherish individual liberty thrive
lel. Would you say that we are thriving right now?

because they don't believe in freedom

Singapore is the size of a city with strong immigration rules, you can't possibly run a proper nation in the same way.

Also its not been a country long enough to see how later generations of Singaporeans behave.

>has transferred their wealth to formerly impoverished Asian nations today

The HDI of the United States is 0.915, and the HDI of the United Kingdom is 0.907.

The HDI of both countries rose between 1990 and 2015. To insinuate that the wealth of these nations has been "transferred" in any way is ridiculous.

Man you fucked up right away because libertarianism/liberalism has measures to deal with people that just want to fuck everything up for others. Problem is we have drifted so far away from that world, we aren't even in a liberal society anymore. It's sad that Sup Forums thinks America is libertarian right now. America's problem is that it has lost sight of it's original dream (liberalism).

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>Why is it such a common theme around Sup Forums for people to go from Libertarian---->White Nationalist-------->Fascist?
Okay, so we start out with libertarians who are willing to go outside of the overton window..

First they realise Whites and non-Whites have different cultures and form their own groups. Meaning there's seperation.

Then they realise Whites are always more pleasant to be around.
- could now be described as Identitarians'

Then they realise race and IQ exists, amongst other racial differences.

Then they realise the only way a libertarian society would work is if it was a homogenous country.
- could now be described as White nationalists

Then they realise that they don't want to help the poor and needy because 'the poor and needy' generally is synonymous to non-whites

Then they realise Hitler wasn't so bad after all.

Then they realise that in fact, he was pretty much completely right
- could now be described as National Socialist

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the real libertarians (you know the property rights guys) are inherently right wing. they must be feeling like their property rights are being threatened. (it was the open borders argument that kick started it)

this is correct but

We can't keep getting tricked to into accepting free-market capitalism on the right, we are almost forced into it by our communist opponents. But the truth is a more nuanced perspective needs to be had on the economy. We need to be simultaneously aware of the powerful influence that corporations have on our people as well as the dysgenic power of state socialism and communism.

Their also needs to be a more nuanced view on free-market capitalism vs trade walls. The economy is not a fixed system, the state constantly needs to be assist in changing the gears to optimise the wealth for the majority of the population, not just the people already at the top. If that means moving up a gear when we are close to revving out and having a period of free-market capitalism to drive international trade at a time when we are certain that the nation's industries and jobs will be safe, and then later kicking down a gear to help lift people up when we are losing revs and stagnating in median per capita wage growth.

Singapore is Fascist and South Korea might as well be. Taiwan has been similar but is reducing state involvement in industry. Hong Kong is basically a free trade zone run by China.

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>because 'the poor and needy' generally is synonymous to non-whites

Yeah even before I was "racist", I was imagined the welfare abuser as a being a fat nigger sitting on la-z-boy recliner, and I would think to myself "not all, user, not all"

I call it anarcho-fascism.
You want a free society, but to keep corrupt elements from taking over, you allow a fascist movement whose sole goal is to maintain this absolute freedom without controlling or governing them.
In short, you got this aestetic fascist class of goosestepping motherfuckers everywhere throwing commies, democrats, homosexuals and any other degenerate out of helicopters.
Its the best thing ever

This pretty much

I still consider myself mostly libertarian, but some people need authority or they will destroy society

Freedom for those who can handle it, chains for those who cannot.

Libertarians are generally redpilled. It's the first step in the transformation from being a libtard in their youths.

Because they fucking tread on us and that's the reaction of a snake getting stepped on

Fascism is payback for the democrats, neocons and SJWs not leaving us the fuck alone

The people coming in will end up creating a communist state. Libertarians see this, and see going a bit Nazi as a preferable bit of pragmatism.

With communism, all is lost.

We've been pretty neutral in the left/right struggle valuing social freedom and financial freedom equally. But the Left's alliance with communist infiltrators has forced us to choose an alliance with the Right as they are currently the only ones who value us as members. The Left has chosen immigrants and communists as being likely more numerically powerful long term.

We must stand with the Right and hold the line against the invaders. Hopefully the ones that want to limit our social freedoms realize this is not the most pressing issue and also work with us mainly to hold the line against the invaders and their blue haired scat loving welfare state friends.

>subsidize higher education
>education drops in quality and value
>HDI rises
It's like magic.

d*bs of truth. Economic policy shouldn't have to be ideological, but for some reason it is.

Because libertarianism is a nonsensical meme and its followers are a bunch of retarded memers. Of course they'll slide around the place, and fascism has some great memes too.

>who's Eric July

its the same freedom that lets you have your guns and bedsheet dress-up parties

because once u become redpilled on race realism you realize libertarianism doesnt work in a multicultural society breh

>muh token nog
back to africa, whatever race you are

>Why is this a phenomenon?

Most human beings are borderline retarded. Add groupthink, memes, and confirmation bias to the mix and you get an army of useful idiots doing their best to destroy American democracy.

We already have confirmation the globalist jewry, russians and chinese are funding extremist political parties here. The crazy thing is, most of you faggots do it for free.

I've been a centrist all my life, friend *twirl*

>free trade is necessary for free speech
Kill yourself.

The connection is that followers of either are edgy social rejects who have no understanding of political nuance and a sophomoric grasp of philosophy.

What is the true redpill then, leaf?

After race realism you get to freedom of association and dissociation. So in a libertarian or anarchistic society race wouldn't matter because everyone can self segregate.

Libertarians can't effectively solve the problem of racial genocide through the electoral process, for christ sake how can a white man depend on (((Gary Johnson))) to roll back state power? We need a strongman to undue the civil rights act, that will be a watershed moment for the white race in America. Europeans are still cucked but that's always been the case. Based America needs to lead the way.

Anti-leafism.

Libertarians end up make the jump when they realize that a society made up of rugged individualism is only possible in a homogenous society, i.e. no niggers and spics.

Witnessed

Cum pill me on Canadian political theory.

agreed. that's also when the Manifest Destiny kicks in.

Stop thinking in party lines. A. Leppo wasn't libertarian. Commies and other degenerates will be physically removed all the time, and you wouldn't even need a state strongman because statist cucks will be thrown out of helicopters too

The NAP is pretty useless if your country is being taken over and your culture and traditions are being destroyed. What are you supposed to do? Sit back and smoke weed while your country is destroyed?

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i've seen Libertarians that hates Drumpf.