Is it possible to have capitalism without consumerism?

Is it possible to have capitalism without consumerism?

No. Consumerism isn't a bad thing when there's lots of variety to promote competition, in fact that promotes the production of high quality products to keep an edge and stimulate the economy at the same time.

It's a personal issue when people obsess over material matters though, such as niggers and whatever shoe brand they buy, or spoiled 14 year olds and iphones.

No. Capitalism is driven by demand.

Also, economic growth != prosperity

No, it's bound to happen. Basic advertisement isn't bad, but (((they))) have started using it as a method of control.

Why do republicucks think that the government should be protecting CEOs instead of hobos?

They now worship laissez faire capitalism even more than the teachings of Christ. They're the same people who think that illegal immigration is THE issue, even though the economic burden of illegal immigrants is minuscule in the shadow of corporate tax dodging and the unending war on terror.

Absolutely. Capitalism doesn't specify how often free exchanges have to take place.

Consumerism is buying for the sake of it, or buying what you are convinced you need rather than buying what is a genuine essential to live a better life.

I honestly don't think that most of the things people now consumer does make their lives better, at least not from a spiritual sense.

What exactly is consumerism? What are alternatives to consumerism? Why is consumerism bad?

Yes, when the fed controls to have a continual rate of monetary inflation it encourages people to spend and not save.

A better question to ask is why we consider consumerism to be a systematic defect rather than a character flaw.

When Sup Forums sees an obese person, they don't blame food. When they see a mass murderer, they don't blame guns. But when they see a consumerist drone they blame capitalism.

Also, credit cards (the gateway to consumerism) didn't get a foothold until the 1920's. The psyche of America changed when banks could afford to give out credit to most citizens.

You have an ethos where the shit you're buying with your capital isnt' consumer stuff.

Eg social status based on church donations.

I don't think it exists in the wild.

>But when they see a consumerist drone they blame capitalism.

No we don't.

I for one believe that only consumption, rather than earnings, should be taxed.

No the markets rely on consumers

>fiat money
>capital

Pick one.

Yes, over-reliance on credit creates bubbles that burst.
Stay within your means and don't rely too much on loans (mortgage is okay within reason).

clothing shoes made by children
coffee and sugar from slave farms
computers assembled in chinese slave wage factories
only american jobs involve oil real estate or government publicity
>muh capitalism creates goods

Consumerism comes from people who can get money without earning it. Get rid of the banks and you'll see capitalism without consumerism.

The real division not reflected in your superficial encapsulation of the issue is between producers and non-producers. Of course the government, which thrives off of the producers, would seek the benefit of the former rather than the latter, insofar as their interests conflict (they don't).

A parasite which kills it's host too soon is a bad parasite.

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Stupid leftists. Life is an ongoing event. You work so you can live. You go on a holiday to unwind, you start again, until you retire. Unless you make it big or win the lottery, or live as a useless neet parasite, this is life and that is a good thing. Many neets, rich people and loterry winners are actually very sad people. Life is supposed to be an ongoing effort to stay alive. Such it is with humans, such it is with animals. A lion too can't just hunt a lot of antelopes at once and retire

Exactly. Buying food, clothing, basic things like furniture or a watch isn't the problem. The problem is people routinely think they need the newest gadget, mountain bike or whatever. Buy experiences not things.

That's an interesting political compass.

>liberal city
>liberal county
>liberal state
>there's still a homeless problem

the boys downtown dont like that idea at all. incentivizes savings and disincentivizes purchases

>implying they want people to reproduce, and not have robo babies or some shit

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True
Of course nothing is absolute, and there are a shitload of welfare leeching niggers
I wasn't suggesting that we give handouts, but maybe just help the people that need help the most?
What if we imprisoned hobos and made them work? That way they would have a roof over their heads and wouldn't be such a goddamn eyesore.

This desu. Once we get rid of (((growth == prosperity))) we will be much happier.

Yes, but without consumerism you'd not have much capitalism taking place

But savings have to spend at some point or What's the point in having them? Unless you think VAT will drop.

>not stealing money is protecting

sure thing buddy.

depending on what you put it into (real estate, business, market) it could be taxed lower than sales tax or not at all which still wouldnt make up for the difference between what would have been made taxing it on the way in as income. id prefer it this way but its not a 1:1