Ask a Modern Liberal anything

Ask a Modern Liberal anything

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Why do you support exploitation and world trade when 20 years ago your elders rioted against it?

Was IT hard to tell your grandma youre gay?


What was it like growing up with a joker mother and incarcerated father?


Will you be attending the next furry convention?

^^follow up: can u live stream it?

why do you hate classic liberalism?

PLEASE kill yourself.

Why do I support free trade? Is that your question? If so, then it's because it's the most economically sound approach to trade.

>Exploitation

In what regard?

needs to be in the form of a question

How do you reconcile the left's obvious and ongoing history of bigotry with their "anti-bigotry" stance?

I don't hate Classical Liberalism. I just see Modern Liberalism as the best form of Liberalism, as it provides economic safety nets for the downtrodden and the working classes and promotes social justice.

Which is ultimately more important, freedom or equality?

I am opposed to the New Left's identity politics and their clear hatred of whites.

How do you define social justice?

That's a false dichotomy. Why can't they exist side-by-side?

The pursuit of equality and a lesser economic divide between the super rich and the poor.

I'm saying if you had to pick one. Would you rather live in a rigid hierarchy in which you're a second class citizen but are totally free to advocate for your own interests/rights, or in a socialist society in which you aren't free to advocate for your own interests/rights?

The right one due to the blue hair

Answer me

But if I'm a second class citizen then no one would listen to my needs unless I formed a civil rights movement.

I guess the second option

Do you enjoy company of the "colored" people flooded New York with their aggressive culture.
Do you enjoy it knowing the people who opened borders now sitting in their villas safe from muslims, blacks and just waiting for melting pot to proceed your culture and country?

i mean not New York, but Europe.
Mistyped shit

but then you have to sacrifice liberty.

did you prep your bull today?

How do you reconcile your economic stances (i.e. big government spending) with the fact that they have been repeatedly proven to be ineffective?

You act as if I'm an advocate of open borders. I think we should have fair but rigid immigration policies based on merit.

Why do you people like drag queens?
I don't their appeal. They don't
>want to become women themselves
>get off to it sexually

or so they say. Then why do many "liberals" get entertained by their faggotry?

What, in your words, constitutes modern liberalism?

How so?

*get

this depends on what you think of as natural - equality or inequality. If you think equality is natural, then you'd think freedom would also entail equality. If you think hierarchy, differentiation, and winners and losers are natural, then you need force to implement equality. The closer to full equality, the closer you need to get to a society where every single aspect of life is fully controlled. Obviously right-wingers thing nature is anti-equality. But I urge you to consider this question to get the difference between our positions.

Because freedom from equality. A person does not have true freedom to do as he pleases if he is forced to serve someone he does not wish to serve.

I already disapprove of this thread.

As a liberal and a supporter of ayn rand and capitalism what should be done about the fascist/socialsit/nazi/commnuist/democrat problem?

That depends on what form it takes. I think pumping money into welfare constantly is a waste and we should encourage people to work.

But I believe that a single-payer healthcare system to help the poor and government programmes to incentivise people to go into the trades and STEM subjects would be great for job creation.

One of the biggest problems I think we have is Med school debt. I think if the government completely subsidised Med school tuition we would get many more Doctors who aren't strapped with debt.

I would just outright cut funding to Liberal Arts and humanities programmes. They're government waste.

Why are you a modern liberal and not a classic liberal, if you like freedom?

yet you still support the expansion of the welfare state?

Respect for civil liberties and individual rights, along with a mild Welfare State.

Honestly left seems like a one hitter type of thing, would be an awesome girlfriend for a year or two.

The right on the other-hand is what you keep for life. I find that as you get older you choose the right. The younglings choose left.

no form of government or set of policies have ever made their country "equal" ("economic safety nets for the downtrodden and the working classes and promotes social justice"). it is simply not possible to truly make people "equal". we aren't born equal, we'll die unequal. it's a fact of life. interfering with this fact strips people of their liberty. you should read some Nozick, or anything of equality or social justice.

hollywood and "academics" have no idea what they're preaching.

But you are oppressing someone if you simply refuse to serve them based on characteristics they can't control, like race.

Also you identifying yourself as a liberal doesn't square with you here
saying you'd want equality over freedom. Liberalism means liberty (freedom) above all. It does not mean socialism, which is inherently about less freedom in exchange for more equality. That would be left-wing progressivism.

So are you more primarily a liberal, or a progressive?

They should be allowed the same rights to speech as everyone else.

Because I believe that the pursuit of social and economic safety nets and equality of opportunity are desirable.

Sounds more like a cultural libertarian to me

Not the expansion, necessarily. In fact, a reduction because I support cutting funding to useless college degrees.

I think it depends on taking over discourse away from progressive leftists. The radical right fascism comes as a reaction against progressive leftists. Take away the threat and agitation from the left we can move back to a more classical liberal society.

I guess this means taking over or starving to death progressive education and media.

The left is largely for short-term thinkers, especially in regards to economic policy. There is a lot of passion and little patience. Immense immediate gratification.

No one is saying people are inherently equal. But all individuals should be given the best shot in life possible, and I think government can do great amounts of good in that regard, especially in education and healthcare.

Why is any government involvement suddenly Socialism? That seems to be the go-to buzzword

So basically negroes.

No, Libertarians are too ideological

I understand that, but by enforcing "equality", you are inherently taking the freedoms away from some.

> U.C. Berkeley
would you say "modern liberals" aren't?

The idea of freedom of association can be taken so far that it just ends up in oppression and hurting others.

The Jim Crow Laws allowed for freedom of association to such an extent as you are describing, and that led to severe inequality and the damaging of human rights.

So, what's exactly the difference between modern liberalism and social democratism?

The people at the U.C. Berkeley event were dirty Marxists.

Not a whole lot, to be honest.

Do you believe that Christian bakeries should bake weddings cakes for homosexuals if they are obligated not to because of their beliefs?

I thought they were a far-right nazi psy-op, weren't they?

you want to force equality or at least equality based on needs, right? "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need", like a communist? i'm sorry but that's simply not possible to achieve.

in order to achieve the equality you're describing you'll need people to sacrifice some liberties (unequal taxes, certain rights etc.) so that other people (weaker people) may be uplifted. but what about the liberty of the more well off? does his liberty mean less than the liberty of the "poor"?

the whole concept of social justice and upliftment is bizarre. it's almost as if none of them actually thought about it.

Why do you support pedophilia?
Do you like young children sexually?
Why wont you take refugees into your home?
Have you converted to islam yet?
If you arent gay, why? Is it because you hate gays?

Are you oppressing someone by choosing not to engage with a sovereign adult individual?

> The Jim Crow Laws allowed for freedom of association to such an extent as you are describing, and that led to severe inequality and the damaging of human rights.
Didn't those laws enforce segregation? Cause that is something completely separate from people choosing not to engage with other people of their own volition.

Yes. I see no reason why they should be allowed to discriminate like that.

Kek

No one's rights need to be violated. In fact, I would advocate legalising marijuana so that the government could take taxes from that and therefore allow for lower taxes all across the board. I would also cut funding to all useless college degrees, which would allow for a tax decrease too.

Why is a progressive taxation system bad? It is logical that those who make more should pay more, but I believe taxes should be lower anyway and that government waste should be slashed

>Why do you support pedophilia?
I think they should get help, but if they act on it they should face jail time.

>Why won't you take refugees into your home
Unlike most Liberals, I actually advocate taking in no refugees.

>Have you converted to Islam yet?
No, because I believe Islam is oppressive. It has no place in a Western secular Liberal Democracy

it's all patterned theories. read some Nozick, i'm serious. you'll be a better, more liberal, person afterwards.

And you don't think that discrimination wouldn't calcify into social barriers if left alone?

I am not disagreeing with you in regards to enforcing equality to an extent. But you must acknowledge that equality requires less freedom.

>Yes. I see no reason why they should be allowed to discriminate like that.
They are a private entity though. I would agree with you if the bakery were a state entity, in which case it would be "owned" by every single individual in society and have a duty of care to every single member of said society.

Pedophiles should be exterminated.

Economic freedom, sure.
But the only social freedom that would be infringed upon would be the freedom to discriminate and...I'm sorry, but that's just something you would have to face.

Literally the only way to do that is artificially through equal outcome.

It could, but c'est la vie. It would probably be a sign that a mono-ethnic (or at least mono-cultural) state would be a superior way of running things

No, it's not. You're being absolutist. You can have government programmes that help the poor without going full Marxist with it.

Maybe so, but as long as other ethnicities are here I will defend their individual rights and their equality. Identity politics is a bad game to get into.

Why do you hate white people?

I don't. I hate SJWs for hating whites.

Why do you believe a country like Ukraine has the right to exist

Poor is relative to cost of living; there will always be poor people. Cost of living is calculated based on the average household income, which in developed countries, is always going leave people below that average in a disadvantaged state.

What do you think of evolutionary psychology and race realism?

are you going to read some of Nozick's work?

>Maybe so, but as long as other ethnicities are here I will defend their individual rights and their equality. Identity politics is a bad game to get into.
I totally agree. So why, considering most of society thinks like this, would you think allowing private individuals to choose whether or not to associate or serve another leads to social barriers?

Of course there will always be poor people, but we can try to minimise the amount of poor people and do our best to help those that remain poor.

In the Libertarian wet dream, there is nothing protecting or even helping the poor and homeless.

why are you so obsessed with black cock?

irish are commies

Which is why basic needs should be provided for and education should be subsidized according to economic need

Nah

Why do you support corporate fascism under the guise of communism? Oh wait you're too stupid to be that self aware

How many layers of SSRI are you on right now?

There would still be bleeding hearts running charities an unscrupulous merchants donating in order to prevent a peasant revolt. Though things would be quite a bit harsher, yes.

Why does a proud, strong heterosexual white male with a wife and white children make you sick to your stomach and see red?
Is it the strength? The attraction to the opposite sex? Or do you just hate little baby white kids?
Be honest

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That's just blind hope. There will never be enough to go around for poor people and homeless people. What happens if the banks raise your mortgage interest rates in a free market and you become homeless? What then?

Kek, I'm not some Tumblr SJW

Fuck off and die

Thus raising a generation of welfare leeches. I live in the UK mate, it's been happening here my entire life and well before I was born too.

The rate in which poor people elevate themselves out of poverty is far too low to justify the immense expenditure.

why have you not kys yet?

You fuck off and die. I bet you vote Fine Gael

why have you not killed yourself

Define "modern" liberalism.

Not if we only allow welfare to those who legitimately need it like the poor or disabled

I've done it already tons of times in this thread

are you aware that that's not an option and any immigration at all will be used to (((accidentally))) flood the country with shitskins?