Tfw universal income is absolutely inevitable

>tfw universal income is absolutely inevitable

How do you feel about this fact?

Dude I want a pet deer.

Give me free government money or no one gets hurt!

miserable. government is getting too big.

ill eat pig feed before getting gibs from the government.

Kek it's the German deer guy again

Give me a quick run down on DerAnon

It was always inevitable, automation made sure of that.

A pure capitalist society could never existed long term without take pieces from other economic models, I do worry that we are going a big to hard for socialism though

Breddy good...
I hope i live to see it

>universal income
>bringing in a bunch of no skill foreigners

Pick one faggot

It just seems retarded to keep an underclass with no ambition and no intention of working on the states bankroll dunnit?

>>tfw universal income is absolutely inevitable
citation needed

feels great. Once we have universal income, all the creative sectors will boom. The enthusiasts that often produce the best artworks (be it movies, paintings, games, songs, etc.) now could work on their passion and nothing else - no need to slave away in minimum wage jobs to support their dream.

On our end that simply means more content of everything, and higher quality content at that.

Can't wait for it to happen.

not for the government intent on self preservation

It's happening in Finland. Soon in Sweden.

Gonna feel good to not be a wagecuck soon.

>universal food becomes a thing in the ocean
>sharks tell the fish to be grateful now that they can pay in shrimp to live in the reef
>the first week, rent is only 1 shrimp
>by the end of the year rent is 50 shramp a day
>fishbro only makes one shrimp an hour!
>he scrimps and scrounges, borrows shrimps to capitalise on small investments
>it's never enough
>turns out no matter how many shrimp you pay, sharky still wants to eat you
>the second before he drowns in stomach acid he realises that working for shrimp had caused him to grow much thinner and weaker than his old life of fearing the big fish and never really knowing where his next meal came from.
>sharks continue to implement a poor diet in the schoolfish to prevent any intelligent outbursts
>business continued on as usual for a while
>400 million years later humans think they invent things like wages and slavery
>bless

>once we have universal income people will start producing more useless crap

Hahaha, now how does this economy based on worthless crap work?

what the fuck is wrong with that dog?

fuck you asshole a deer ruined my life

It will be a step forward for everyone.

It feels good. Together with
>tfw Bitcoin is absolutely inevitable

Why does it have to be inevitable? Surely we would be much better off if we just culled the useless lower class? If you don't have any skills, fine, better learn to eat dirt. I'm not paying for your lazy ass.

>stay home in bed all day
>still get paid

only braindead mongoloids wouldn't want this. paradise is upon us.

This is true.

On one side I feel unhappy because laziness will be rewarded.

But on the other side, we might be able to live in a time where we are truly free.

feels weird

universal income will be akin to something more like 'credits' than real money

It will be the final nail in the coffin for sovereignty and individual liberty

Do you run a deer farm?

that's not what the economy will work on. Due to automation production increases all the time anyway. Jobs are going away, and they won't be replaced with enough new ones.

Eventually we will face unemployment-rates of +50%.

In a system without universal income, all those unemployed people are simply a waste of potential. They will seek for shitty jobs, anything as long as it pays, or turn to crime. If they turn to crime, we will have to imprison them, and end up paying for their food anyway.

But if they get paid, they produce what you call 'worthless crap'.

And you are right: From an economical point of view art and creative work is pretty much worthless.

But from a cultural point of view it isn't.

All these people will not be able to be part of our current economical system anyway, might as well make use of them by putting them into a new one.

question: what are your current work-related skills?

Because our governments are hell bent on bringing in as many refugees as possible. And companies don't want to hire 20 people when they could have 1 guy looking after a few robots

Down here in aus our immigration is so fucked that we bring in 4x as many people as there are jobs created each year, then add on the birth rate and you have a fucked jobs market. A part time job is about as much as I can hope for these days

>Universal income guys! Free Money!*
*Health insurance, utilities and other government provided services must be paid for before you can spend a cent.

The goyim will fall for anything.

>tfw I will never go to college for free in a white society free of hate
>tfw muds are going to ruin Scandinavia

we will have government jobs before UBI.

Universal wages like that only work in a near post-scarcity society where automation has made commodities extremely cheap. I think it is inevitable, but only in the best case scenario of capitalism winning and New resources being discovered.

>the german deerposter is back

Hey deerposter, look at this, shameful

story please

I could really need that at the moment.
I wish it would happen. Molymeme explained why it's a shitty idea but I want these crucial benefits that save lives and existences and hardliner workaholic normies would get BTFO no matter what.

I want it.

The only problem i see with capitalism is that always increasing efficiency will some day lead to complete self autonomy in all aspects of industry. If that were to happen, then a capitalistic system would be rendered moot, and it would end up being everyone who wants the resources vs the powerful who own all the resources.

So you think that they give you lets say 1000 bucks of UBI and then expect you to pay 900 bucks for the services you named?

Its a scheme to put cash into the hands of the useless so that they can "pay" for privately provided basic services. It creates competition in what were public and very inefficient services as well as making a large administration to determine who gets welfare unneccisary .

Its not about free money. Its about efficieny. Workers will benefit from a less expensive state. People who depend on basic income may not.

>implying new industries won't come into existence to replace lost jobs

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This is why we need right wing politics

>be me
>driving single lane highway
>dusk, low visibility
>a wild buck appears
>instinct takes over and I dodge
>lose control
>hit truck head on
>now a functional cripple, /fit/ dreams crushed

You'd become a nigger that easily?

Feels breddy gud. That's why we have to get rid of illegals. Automation is great of you can control for population that doesn't breed like rabbits and drains all resources to further slave labor.

oh deer, that's terrible :(

They won't. All new industries will also be able to be automated.

If you lose 100 jobs and create 1 in the process, that won't change a fucking thing.

>implying the rich would ever agree to this

they will just pay poor people to kill other poor people

The minute UBI becomes a thing, every person from a 3rd world shithole packs up and floods UBI countries. It will be a fucking shitstorm of immigration by people who are not fit to live in the western world.

I've reverse image searched a few of your deer pics now with nothing found. Are these actually your animals?

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i was gonna say you should of just ran it over but the antlers could of stabbed you or something. fuck deers.

And how is that any different to europe now?

no because i'd still be law-abiding.

that was my thoughts, I was in a small nip car

Do you have any really big does that you could rent out. asking for a friend haha

Don't kill me, OK?

What if we have strong borders?

What if people start to hate immigrants who want to take their gibs?

pic related, cheer up

you can always decline it and die from poverty when machines take your job.

No they just let the poor and weak die and the population will drop to a more sustainable amount.

That you should kill yourself since nothing else will end that delusion.

Wouldn't being on a fixed income hamper your freedoms rather than increase them? Isnt universal income a form of communism, or am i missing something?

Communism is good.

That's why UBI should be a basic human right and not muh first world priviledge.

Massive human extermination is the future, no one is gonna give you stuff for free.

You forget that people's attention spans are getting shorter and shorter, while consumerism and instant gratification are booming.
It's not going to be some Star Trek artist utopia, it's going to be fucking Wall-E
The generation that was born before the internet became mainstream, will be the last one to produce creators.
Anyone born after Facebook will just idle and consume entertainment, because they don't have the resilience to endure failure and face the hardships of learning a craft.
I'm a creator and it's hard as shit to get even the willing people learn a skill nowadays.
They simply can't keep at it for longer than a month or two and then they ditch it, because they didn't see instant results.
I've seen this happen even if they had just dropped 2k on a god damn Wacom graphics tablet to motivate them to create.

>Kick out 1600 meat packers from a warehouse.
>1600 new jobs are going to pop up that allow people of this skill and education level to work at them.
Not happening. This is the first time in our history that we're talking about eliminating a massive part of our workforce for good.

We already have a form of UBI in place here in Finland, which is probably why they're going to utilize it here first.
Only problem is that our current welfare system is super easily abused by migrants. They pull a ton of money from this thing.
UBI would actually result into a lot less money given to niggers than what we currently give them.

>implying the rich wouldn't be the biggest benefactors of automation

The rich would benefit from a universal income since now sitting at home and rotting away is now a viable option, and that is alienation. What would actually hurt them would be more worker's benefits - class consciousness is impossible if people don't work.

as an australian current options are:

>work hard like the asian slaves who live amongst us
>draw a pension that would make a saudi prince blush

so use your fancy terminology on me all you like, I burn more money than I spend and without people like me to buffer the economy you'd never be able to support your close-minded ideals.

Does having a leg that only bends in one direction decrease your freedom of movement, compared to having a leg that bends into every direction?

No, it doesn't, in fact it increases it, because it enables more options that you wouldn't have with a bend-in-all-directions-knee (e.g.: running, jumping).

Limitations can increase your options, and the UBI is an example of such a limitation.

>what is war

What are those small 2 legged deer?

What a strange doggo, its cute though I like it!

>get free money
>be able to do low-budget travel all the time
Sounds cool.

>no one is gonna give you stuff for free.
>t. welfare state

we all have 24 hours in a day to spend as we please

wow. the propaganda machine in germany must be running supremely.

I guess this is why I don't speak german. because if I did, my english mind would never be able to run or jump it would stagnate in a swamp of self-deception and obligatory positive affirmations

Most of this art will be worthless shit. People with a tiniest piece of talent earn a lot now.

>not refuting the point but throwing baseless accusations into the room

great work there, 10/10, would debate again.

Only if everything is automated by then. I spent a lot of time on my career and I don't want to earn the same as a Mc'Donalds employee.

>ywn be a slumlord shark spending your days eating shrimp and swimming with your shark bros

why live

the elites will cull the human population if it gets to that point

When automation makes humanity mostly irrelevant, the rich will have the poor killed off

*sigh* cant you just screech autisticly about money like the others so I don't have to think outside the box. I mean, you're not wrong.

Time to pick comfy easy job then

Good I'm going to work harder note because it promotes production.

Real life hunger games when?

You hire jobless people to guard borders and kill migrants

Fucking (((sharks))), I hate them so much. Except for shark Jesus, he's OK

Wrong. counter-example: the music industry. Except for a few pop stars heavily promoted by the record labels, most bands don't make a lot of money.

Yes, not all of it will be good, and most of it will be niche-stuff that you don't care about.

But it will also populate the niches you DO care about and increase the general diversity of content available.

Good. The planet has been overpopulated for centuries.

blessed

we don't need to debate
we still have napalm and wp

Fuck me, no wonder the old dude in the middle is covering his lap

what the fuck do you think we've been doing for the past century?

If it enables me to be a neet I'm all for it.

I'm not really feeling my career anymore.

eventually technology will get to the point where almost everything can be automated, at this point it is reasonable to give everyone enough money to live a comfortable life
if you wanna do extra shit to make more money then that will be up to you

I see nothing wrong with this

npbp

I somewhat managed to do that for 3yrs. I work for ford in their assembly plants. I took the move to the ohio plant to get the 30k moving allowance among other reasons. Well i had to wait for a group of people to retire for the job i wanted to open up. So they ended up putting me on layoff. Collected about 75% of my paycheck every week for 3yrs. Was fucking awesome. Wife worked too and i made more than her just sitting around and taking care of our son. Only bad thing is, even if you have time and money to do things, you cant possibly be something everyday and it can get real boring real fast.