Programming is a terrible profession. For one, you are not respected at any normal company. You're known as 'IT' or 'tech' and everyone gossips about how disgusting everyone is in the department. Every day, some Alpha who probably does nothing at his job except get his secretary to suck his dick in his corner office cucks you into doing random bitch work, and then yells at you when it's not done by the deadline despite it being impossible to complete the work requested. Not only that, the code rarely works, your co-workers are smelly Indians brought in by Tata Consultancy and connive to replace your job at all times for half the salary, and the work never, ever ends. You pollute your body with sugar and toxins, deprive it of sleep, and let it rot while you sit the majority of the day, neglecting any healthy exercise, social interaction or life goal attainment. It's like a Postal worker, but coupled with feelings of patheticness, loneliness, helplessness, rage and total hopelessness.
Women, when they hear you are a programmer, instantly remove you from the potential pool of mates as they know your earning potential is maxed early and your career over at 35. They are also instantly disgusted by you. It is far better to tell a woman you are on welfare than to out yourself as a computer programmer. It's also highly embarrassing for a woman to date or be married to a programmer, as virtually everyone knows they are the grown up version of the hopeless virgin in high school. One who never really grew up and became normal and fit into society, but rather found an environment where he could escape the reality of his situation and be invisible, able to hide the toxic shame and utter humiliation that is the programmer.
After Dentists, programmers have the highest rates of mental disorders, especially depression and suicide.
Programmers, why haven't you taken the cyanide pill?
t. A FUCKING LEAF who is jealous of my dank ass salary
Lucas Reyes
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Luis Torres
Thinking of become a programmer how easy is it and how much pay should I expect
Hudson Lopez
it's a terrible work at the mercy of systems pushed by jews where you desperately search underground for free info and code to be creative and ultimately your job is given to an indian who will do it poorly for less.
Jacob Jones
>Every day, some Alpha who probably does nothing at his job except get his secretary to suck his dick in his corner office cucks you into doing random bitch work
leafs
Joshua Rodriguez
Not a good profession to get into. Jobs are being outsourced at a high rate.
Aiden Evans
learn web dev,
frontend is good to start HTML/CSS/JavaScript/Bootstrap
try freecodecamp.com
Hunter Martin
>this pasta again
I think it's Sup Forums trying to deter people from shitting up /dpt/.
John Barnes
>doesn't learn mathematics >doesn't learn statistics >doesn't learn data science >his only skill is making shitty websites >surprised when pajeet takes his job
Austin Morales
Disregard he's just memeing.
The difficulty largely depends on what you're doing. Easiest would be web and mobile development.
Pay depends on your region, but generally at least 60k, probably closer to 80k.
Benjamin Peterson
>Not a good profession to get into. Jobs are being outsourced at a high rate. Actually no they aren't, outsourcing is happening because in many places there aren't enough people graduating with a CS degree.
Adam Martinez
>memeing enjoy being a windows slave nigger code monkey you fucking freedom HATER
anyone coding for money is SCUM
Josiah Hall
If you're good at your job, you can get a 100k/year job, ~150k if you're a math major
Easton Adams
reminder this thread is a bot post to demoralize a certain demographic here. Stay frosty anons
Xavier Moore
>one of the most satisfactory jobs >good pay >incredibly flexibility from challenging to boring >can find work to fit your preferred schedule >HURR IT'S TERRIBLE
Landon Gray
>*double click* >Haha! Just designed another web page. That's 300 dollars ,';^)
Jason Wood
Neurolinguistic programming that kills the ability to rebel against a ruleset put in place by an overarching authority
Dylan Robinson
its a degenerate blue pill jewish "career". auto manufacturing and other factory work is the red/black pill career path.
Easton Morris
>*plugs in computer* >This Elementary School is properly networked. >Sure feels good being a freelance programmer in America.
Jayden Young
I am sure i have seen this exact post before pastafag leaf. For indians i can say programming is for commoners to earn bread,while we have multiple businesses and lands(rent money) to earn hell lot of cash per month.
Jordan Thomas
learn some basic stuff and go into software sales
programming is for monkeys and third worlders
Connor Watson
Get a computer science instead of being a code monkey. What you just described is a shitty programmer, not a scientist like me
Mason Ortiz
Tell me what you each do since you think you're so much better than programmers
I want proof as well
This is completely false and you have no idea what you're talking about
t. Web developer, someone who actually does know what they're talking about
Lucas Scott
I make little bird whistles out of wood.
Parker Hall
no proof, youll steal my designs.
Jordan Jones
>get a computer science >become a scientist >scientist
Ayden Butler
>"New CS grad eh? Sure let me fire Pajeet to free up a spot for you."
Leo Myers
kek
Xavier Williams
meant for
Joshua Myers
>scientist
Caleb Powell
>English man commits crime >Throw into jail >Jail full >Fucking ship them off to an island >Island full of criminals >Australia
Charles Bailey
Copy pasta shit
Lincoln Rodriguez
Every profession is respectable. Nothing shameful about working to feed the family.
Aiden Edwards
The level of difficulty depends very much on which "branch" of programming you'd get into, webdeving is the easiest and it's good money if you know how to sell you work, on the other hand there is embedded systems, which are a kick in the nuts, it's really good money, but not worth the hassle.
Brayden Lopez
>you can't be a scientist if I think you look funny
Sup Forums is legitimately retarded
Jeremiah Jones
Stop making this thread
Dylan Torres
I love to program — I discovered that about myself a few years ago. Beforehand, I only KNEW how to program. But then I discovered the power programming gives you to create things, and even help your surroundings. Like I helped my parents build a site for their business. So now, I can surely say, that I love programming. Heck, I even married a very talented programmer.
But despite all the pleasure I derive from my profession, I feel lonely sometimes. True, there are millions of programmers all over the world. I also know I am not the only one who prefers coding over going to the movies, taking a walk, eating or sleeping.
Why do I feel this way?
My loneliness is a gendered loneliness, as there are not many women in my field. For sure, there are women who study computer science in high school or at the university, and some even work as programmers. But they are very, very few. Different studies show that the portion of men programmers is 80-90 percent. That means women and other gender identities are only 10-20 percent!
so is Sup Forums now the general shitposting board for bitter losers? I thought that was r9k but it turned into a trap board.
Jeremiah White
Boy op, same image posted several days in a row by a leaf that hates programming? You must be seriously buthurt. Probably laid off from your entry level job because you can't program yourself out a wet paper bag.
Easton Sanchez
Indians in India write really fucking shit code
The ones that are good come to Western countries and get jobs with Google
So basically stop worrying about Pajeets and GIT GUD
That's a full time gig?
Juan Gutierrez
Dejavu
Tyler Clark
To every woman who codes,
I’ve been writing code myself for 17 years. As a female programmer (among other things), I’ve met a range of men who work in the IT/technology/programming space and I’ve had a variety of positive and negative experiences with them. Of course, I also know women who code at other companies and I’ve heard stories that make my blood boil.
So today I’m writing to let you in on something that I hope isn’t a secret, but still it should be shouted from the rooftops - Braintree is an awesome place for women who code to work.
Charles Davis
coding is super fagit shit
modeling the universe or algorithmizing multi agent scenarios has merit
Aaron Rivera
In a market society, capital is significantly more valuable in the long run than whatever skills you may have. Anybody can learn a skill, and eventually, most skills become automated. Programmers are well on their way to becoming the proletariat of the digital era.
Matthew Robinson
It depends on your attitude. Most programmer are betas, but you can also be alpha. I worked in a company as a developer and still got to fuck the bulgarian intern.
You can clean and iron your clothing. You have time to do sport outside of work, also.
also this If you're a passive beta, of course you'll be considered as a subhuman.
David James
I bet you have a shit job
Or you're a NEET trying to justify being a pathetic little cuck who can't get a job
I'm going to be fucking your girlfriend while you're masturbating over the thought
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Josiah Mitchell
>that automation thread earlier >muh am a programmer not getting automated blue collar cucks BTFO >instead all their jobs get outsourced to indians and chinese who will do the same work for like a fraction of the price and at higher rates
Jace Sullivan
So I should have went to capitalist school and became a bourgeois?
Aaron Nguyen
It really just depends on what branch of CS you go into.
I'm an excel programmer.
Ayden Foster
A programmer is going to the grocery store and his wife tells him, "Buy a gallon of milk, and if there are eggs, buy a dozen." So the programmer goes, buys everything, and drives back to his house. Upon arrival, his wife angrily asks him, "Why did you get 13 gallons of milk?" The programmer says, "There were eggs!"
Josiah Gutierrez
>excel programmer
Web dev here
That sounds like utter shit
I think I'd kill myself
At least my job allows you to be creative. You make shit. You make shit that looks cool. And my shit looks better than other peoples'. I derive enjoyment from that. My shit's the most aesthetically pleasing shit around.
Indian programmer commits suicide with inert gas and exit bag after his app fails to take off
comments >Lucky man. He's finally free.
topkek
Justin Lopez
>Sup Forums
Hunter Nelson
You feeling threatened by Indian coders? Is 'Poo code' better than Canada's?
Jack Miller
Money won't last and doesn't actually do anything that great, only skills that enable me to assert power over the world are of value. Programming has value beyond the software created, it teaches me ways of organizing thoughts and provides insight into how pretty much everything works including the brain and reality itself.
Joshua Scott
Tell me what job you do lad
I bet you're a professional masturbator
Ethan Stewart
I'm in university studying comp sci. I have no plans on doing this for my entire life. I'm probably going to work in my field for 10-15 years. The money I earn will be invested in properties and franchising businesses. I might start an investment firm.
Please don't program forever, jobs are supposed to get easier as you get older, programming gets harder.
Parker Nguyen
That's a good plan
I hate programming (with a passion - fucking hate being a computer loser)
BUT it pays. Easy fucking money.
Seriously, working customer service was harder and paid like half the money. Half of my day programming is just shitposting on 4chins
Nicholas Lopez
it can be a lifestyle job, where you have to keep up to date with new technology and learn it constantly. I was basically already doing this since high school so it made since that i would make a career doing it. Best advice i can give any one who "want's to be a programmer" is to focus on creating products, user services, apps whatever just don't try to learn everything. When you have to prove to people that you can code people will be more impressed if you can speak in depth about one stack or set of technologies which can be used to create something. Don't optimize everything, don't learn everything, learn how to be very effective with the tools needed to get stuff done. People care more that you have been effective using one technology more than if you can kind of talk about the technologies they use cause you studied it some.
I could have expedited my career if i had focused on building things rather than learning everything which is what i recommend for beginners.
John Clark
>programmer >assuming you'll be able get a job and save money >assuming you can do another job at 35 with 0 experience and compete with others who have 15 years
The reality is once your brief career is over at 30-35, you're unhirable in the real world. As soon as big titted Janice in HR sees coder she'll bin you faster than a coder ejaculates. In the real world you need to have social skills.
The reality is most programmers never work again once they expire
Don't fall for the (((CS))) meme
Noah Rogers
>Half of my day programming is just shitposting on 4chins what exactly do you do then?
Xavier Stewart
Wut? Your career isn't over at 35, and most recycle themselves very well into IT team manager.
My boss was 40, still programming intensively and earned 200k CHF per year.
Jose Cox
>>Your career isn't over at 35, and most recycle themselves very well into IT team manager. The other leaf said that he would quit at that age
Ryder Nelson
Is Java any good? I'm learning it right now and I'm planing to learn C#. Should I keep going or switch to Java Script?
Jackson Harris
Why do you give a fuck what the women you work with do to you? If anything those who aren't programmers and work with me would feel stupid and like shit. Programmers are super cocky and think they're better than everyone else. I was in electrical engineering before I switched and Comp sci is a much better career option. There are more job openings for comp sci and the industry is growing. If you have a CS degree you can work for an engineering firm, banks, etc etc.
Thomas Lee
And don't think an MBA will help switch careers. The top demographic that applies to MBA programs is programmers, and they almost always get rejected.
"Let's see, Alfred is applying, he has a CS degree, his GMAT is very high, good Quant skills. I see he likes to play WoW, his favourite food is pizza, and he did nothing except program by himself for 10 years. Oh, we have Fabio here, Harvard track athlete, a VP at Goldman, promoted 3 times, wants to start a VC fund post-grad. Hrmmmm..."
Dylan Hughes
I failed at basically everything else so giving this a go now
Alexander Hall
JavaScript is mainly used for web development, Java and JavaScript are completely different. I'd learn C if I were you, learning C will make learning half of comp sci languages easier.
Daniel Bennett
What the fuck are you talking about?
Bentley Wilson
Learn them all. check out Angler.
Michael Lopez
Only responding because I want someone to explain what this new 't.' meme is. What the fuck does it signify?
OP the rest of your post is Sup Forums tier bait as evidenced by its (assuming even a fraction of it is actually true) highly anecdotal content.
*checks flag *rolls eyes *no surprise
Eli Taylor
Web dev. Half the time I'm fixing stuff, sometimes I make stuff, and the rest of the time I'm shitposting
Exactly you can just become a manager
And yup my boss is in his 40s and he's a full-time programmer (CTO; his self-appointed title)
James Lopez
>worked as a web dev for 4 years >last company was a shitty internet marketing copycat >pay was good enough to pay for studies so why not >boss sets a 2 week deadline for a 40k project >lolnothappening.gif >explain this is not possible >boss insists because muh shekels >goes on vacation the next day >do my best to finish as much as possible >10-12 hours a day >no one is satisfied >deadline approaches >fuck this shit >project is rocketed into oblivion >everyone panics >deadline not met >gave my resignation the next day >threatened by boss over the phone Development is something you do for not more than 5 years. Period. Despite being high in demand in the market, you're treated as dog shit pried off someone's boot.
You're better off doing projects as an entrepreneur as it yields more profit and you get to build a sizeable portfolio.
Pajeets taking over programming is a meme, as they do not even have a basic understanding of software architecture, coding methodology, code reviewing, or secure coding. Executives think they're cutting costs but they're not.
Sebastian Morris
Keys choSen people
Eli Clark
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You fucked up switching from EE. With EE, you could have become a P.Eng, once you get P.Eng you're in the 6 figures and can get a job at any power plant/utility anywhere you want. You have job security as it's based on seniority and you have an professional organization that limits supply to the job so salaries will always be high. You can work until you're 70+, and senior plant engineers make 200-300K easy in Canada.
With CS, you're going to start at 50K, get up to 60-70K / 100K in Toronto, which you can't live off. You'll be laid off and nobody will hire you because there's a million unemployed coders willing to work for nothing, not to mention the 750,000 Pajeets Trudeau is bringing in.
Nathan Anderson
What do you do now then?
I agree with you fully about a) being treated like shit and b) Pajeets being a meme
If Pajeets are good they get hired by Google. If you outsource to random devs in India they will be dogshit.
Cooper Bennett
Actually this is exactly what happens. Indian developers are horrible. They can be used provide some additional support but any project consisting primarily of pajeet will be a shit show.
They will in no particular order: lie to you chronically about their delivery schedule, say yes to anything and everything even if it's not possible, steal code from anywhere they can without fully understanding what it does, and will create so much redundancy that the code base will be unmanageable and will grow to monstrous proportions very fast.
I can't even begin to tell you the horrors I've seen pajeets do. Good luck debugging a 15 deep if else statement with each if consisting of several method calls producing a boolean and'd together. Oh you think you found the method in that if else fucking up? It's repeated 15 different places with a slightly different spelling variation across every 3 of them. At least 2 of the spelling variations will be completely different and have nothing to do what the comments or method is named.
Brandon Cox
>work in defense >company legally can't outsource >legally can't hire H1Bs >can only hire native-born Americans who pass extensive background checks
Truly the best. Plus it's for the government, so even my mediocre work is better than 90% of the rest of their portfolio.
Ayden Ramirez
So, I work at IT, as in training to be a sysadmin. I know C# and stuff and can generally program. Any advice or tips? Should I be a sysadmin or strive to be a developer? Also is cyber sec and pentesting as cool as it sounds?
Aaron Hernandez
>9001
Isn't that panicked feeling combined with hopelessness the worst? Not to mention stress of being treated like an untermensch and having to worry about being fired?
Must have felt great when you accepted your fate and said fuck it. A release
Caleb Butler
Application security specialist.
Going a step forward tripled my pay. More than most developers will ever earn. And in the security industry, people with software and application security testing experience are in high demand due to their scarcity.
Evan Wright
A sysadmin with programming experience is a lot more valuable than a programmer with sysadmin experience.
Andrew Campbell
Now I know you're shitposting. CS and engineering pay is the same. Actually comp sci is salaries are growing faster.
Benjamin Gomez
Fucking answer me you bitch ass piece of shit rancid swine.
Now.
Colton Martinez
University of waterloo payscale for you retarded fags saying Engineering and comp sci pays differently.
Interesting. Is it still an active programming job? Or you're like a consultant?
And how did you get security experience? Just by dealing with security stuff when you were a web dev?
Ryder Thompson
Any other reason other than automation?
Leo Thomas
>Programming is a terrible profession. For one, you are not respected at any normal company. You're known as 'IT' or 'tech'
That's not true. Developers, Project leads and architects aren't simply "IT or "Tech". That's maintenance.
We eat at the same table as the CEO's. But mostly, it's about if they like your face or not.
Jordan Stewart
Starting it might be a bit lower for EE until you have plant experience and your P.Eng, but once you have 5+ years and your P.Eng designation you're into the 100's.
Once you get senior and become a manager several hundred thousand.
Comp Sci salaries in Canada are 50K with no experience. If you're a Waterloo grad with 10+ years, the most you can pull is 120-130K in Canada. 99% of Waterloo CS majors go to San Jose as wages are 4-5x higher.
Matthew Gutierrez
You have far to much of your life described for you I wond... Oh your a leaf.
Jonathan Gray
Don't fall for medpack's lies, web dev is the worst type of coding job unless you are learning it purely for entrepreneurial reasons.
Oliver Baker
>cucks you into doing random bitch work
Are you retarded? The IT side and business side of most companies are split.
I'm a developer and work from home, my team uses Google hangouts for meetings and shit. All of our managers are also devs. We're a closed group.
Dylan Ramirez
Oh, also, is the app market just a meme or can I make good money making apps for people?
Luke Cook
That's the biggest reason, but a lot of companies need/want small tools for specific things, but either don't have dedicated programmers on staff or don't want to "waste resources" by asking one of them to do it.
Robert Adams
lol, 70K CAD
That just furthers my point that Canadian companies pay coders nothing and you're a cheap commodity
Andrew Russell
whats exactly wrong with it
Evan Myers
More like: InvalidArgumentException:1:1: Var Missing (Amount: "dozen", Type: null) at Buythings.routine(1:1); Caused By: Syntax Error
Asher Gonzalez
What are you a high school fucking girl? Who the fuck cares what people think, you're paying taxes while niggers are still getting that federal aid.
Carter White
>Easy You either have the mind for it or you don't. How you solve math problems is how you will program. >Pay I got 70k out of college