What happens when we automate away 90% of all jobs?

What do we do with the surplus population?

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We eat the poor

by surplus i assume u mean "people who dont work on the automatons"
are they nonwhite? riots ensue because muh money
are they white? gee whiz wtf its utopia

War

Self improvement is meme, Universal basic income is basically communism.

With 'taders and carrots?

A large market of underemployed people will create markets in their daily activity and keep on living as before. If they don't need us, we don't need them.

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YeH IKW Basic income pe popl ewould help the e

This is where a non-autistic would have filled it in with "time with friends and family", or "Pursue Creative Activity"

The globalists will begin the harvest.

The Matrix

Eugenics.

It won't work. Even if we gave everyone in the US a guaranteed $50,000 annual income for breathing people would still be jealous and demand more. The cries of "income inequality" would be just as loud, and the irony that they didn't work for their income will never occur to them.

Space colonization

>oy vey, muh stalin killed the 20 trillion, never forget!
>who cares if the vast majority of human beings die due to automation lol

Considerably shakes the coconut.

We're actually already at the point where millions of people could stop working and it would have no negative effect. So many of our jobs today are done simply to have jobs - think of all the bullshit human resources, and physical labor jobs in which robots already do well.

We are past the point where we can have basic income. It's just that the top people in society are hoarding all the wealth. Go ahead and call me a dumb commie (I'm not), what I'm saying is totally true and you know it.

this is the only thing i have against giving people free money. they'll become extremely spoiled, lazy, and lose all work ethic. they'll cry for more money until their economy crashes.

>work for enjoyment

wageslave corporate hypnosis.

We can spend all day having sex and engaging in rampant degeneracy.

The founding father imagined most people would be farmers and self sufficient. Pretty much modern day peppers. Fuck jobs, focus on getting food.

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I enjoy work, the key is not to have debilitating autism imho.

Sounds good to me desu

>Enter a post scarcity society
>Where human labor isn't required to produce goods or food
>We could enter a utopia where people are free to do what they want
>Instead people want to murder everybody whose job has been automated

This is why we're doomed as a species. There's nothing clever or thoughtful, let alone ethical, about that position. It's just vindictive and malicious, murdering people for the sake of murder.

UBI is the death of work ethic. The ultimate gibs

Basuc income doesn't work. We have it here in Canada for the natives and they're more screwed up snd lazier than ever. They tried it in france and replaced it with a bonus if you have work because there were too many people mooching off if it.

If we start space exploration seriously we can get millions of new jobs

I'd like to see you try you fucking faggot, I'll eat you out till you cum buckets

Right?
I knew Satan would agree.

>Meet new people
people fucking suck dick. why would I spend lengthy amounts of time around them if I don't have to?

>Help Community
Or....what? I don't care about that shit. Waste of what precious little time I have to exist.

>Enjoyment
Do you know whats more enjoyable than having to follow arbitrary rules and meeting deadlines and being forced to be nice to shitheads? Not having to do those things.

>Self Improvement
Only if it relates to being healthy or getting laid. Both of which don't require contributing to the rest of humanity.

When we automate 90% of the jobs we get the movie Elysium. Hopefully in reality the people living up there won't be as cucked as they were in the movie.

>mooching off if it.
How do you mooch off universal basic income?

> France had UBI
No

Kek

>What do we do with the surplus population?

The masses, who under disgenic pressures, will be kept in line and under control with the bread and circuses of the 21st century - Doritos, Mountain Dew, video games, comics/animu. superhero movies, Star Wars, etc.

The few "intelligent" (i.e. IQ of 100+) ones will either be given jobs to build and maintain the machines of civilization or make work jobs that will let them feel like they are making a difference without actually threaten the System.

And the elites will keep everything to themselves, until they get bored, take up a new ideology/religion, fight among each and kill civilization, humanity and the planet.

Stop trying to ruin this country with socialism, it hasn't worked before and it won't work now. Even if it did work, you have to right to the money I work for.

Full space automated gay luxury communism is makind's only hope.

If someone is dumb enough to need "basic income" they're not going to do something meaningful by choice. They're going to smoke pot masturbate and watch Netflix every day until they die, growing fatter by the second.

So employers offer better pay and working conditions.

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user, who's this character? What's she from?
I'm just curious since I've been seeing her posted a lot lately.

This. It's just another way to enable people's most useless tendencies, and create government dependence.

Here's my plan Sup Forums:
>UBI is a liveable income at first
>income per person
>for kids income is capped to two kids per household
>after two you no receive no additional income for additional kids
>half of the kids income goes to parents, other half goes into a personal account that only they can access
>kids have access to that income once they turn 18
>enough that you can have basic needs met but not enough to live well on, think enough to just be above poverty level
>people encouraged to work an actual job/build or create things to sell to people
>some kind of bonus/stimulus to encourage people to live/eat healthy to reduce medical costs burden
>bonus/stimulus given to those that serve time in the military
>certain job-sectors guaranteed such as people-oriented occupations (teachers) and specialized not-easily automated jobs
>college exists for higher education, not a degree mill
>as a result college is cheaper but fewer people will go
>alternatives to college are occupation-oriented schooling/apprenticeships

Need to keep working on it, but what do you think of it so far?
>inb4 commie
Constructive criticism only, I'm trying to be serious about this Sup Forums.

It's from some artist called Hetza. It's not from an anime or manga or anything. Although I think the character is called Suzumi or something.

So...I guess office workers never hit the gym then?

I've got a better idea.
>Fire all government employees and politicians
>Auction off all government property to the highest American bidder
>Burn the auction money to reduce inflation
>Kill any leftists trying to reinstall the government
Pretty good plan, huh?

guns r cool

Thanks for the info, user!

UBI is slavery. The government pays for your food housing and luxuries and they can take it away any time they like.

Pic is a lie. People who are given food/needs fulfilled they lay around getting wasted and watch TV and eventually turn co-dependent on the government and will vote and shout in favor of Democrats who promise the gravy train continues

The "human nature" meme needs to end. People just use it as an excuse to be shit.

>work automated entirely
>no need for economics
>UH OH GOY

Yeah, with the kind of crazy look and the tribal tattoos she kind of reminds me of Revy from Black Lagoon

The alternative is going to be no food/housing/luxuries.

So we're kind of stuck with UBI until someone comes up with something better.

than you tell them to work for more money...no more jobs? create something. go into space. make videos. robots can't dream, robots can't create art. humans will create art to get more money

it could never work long term unless people are pacified 24/7 with VR and/or strict one child policy with a focus on population reduction (not murdering people but an effort to naturally shrink the population)

How will we remain (((elite)))?

SHUT AUTOMATION DOWN

UBI will keep our economy functioning, giving people purchasing power for goods.

Knowing Sup Forums the posters will likely gravitate to murder and genocide. That being the case, your plan doesn't have nearly enough humans being killed.

The poor gather up their weapons and begin murder raping the rich to seize the means of production!

Unfortunately the Rich have created an army of murder robots that stop the poor. Do I really need to tell you what the robots end up doing?

Once robots inevitably take over industry, jobs for many won't exsist, so I don't see much of a better option. Either this or everyone has to be forced into STEM until it's oversaturated and we're crammed in with the poo-jeets.

user, capitalism doesn't work that way. If we only need a third of the workers for the same amount of work, then we simply build 3 times as many factories and suddenly everything becomes much cheaper. Ferraris become the new rice-burner, and the economy marches on.

bio-mechanical orgy

I dont think people realize just how close we are to 50%+ of jobs being automated.

A few more years of robot refinement and machine learning research, and it'll be a reality.


A good example of what can be automated:
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You should really read the lore of warhammer 40k and learn why automation is not such a good thing. Utilizing tools to better the lives of the human race is one thing, making almost everybody useless is another.

Close.

I agree, albeit to some degree I'd actually pose the reverse: it's human nature to want to collaborate and work. To feel that you have a purpose and you're making the world a better place. That our civilization was able to come into being because of this nature, otherwise we'd still be bashing each other over the heads with clubs before fucking the unconscious bodies.

What bugs me is that conservatives are wired to exaggerate and hate a group they perceive is taking advantage of a system. I don't know if this is just some weird form of projection, but what they don't seem to understand is that in a post-scarcity society the only "things" really being taken advantage of are robots.

Machinery.

Their labor is free beyond maintenance, and their energy supply is potentially unlimited with solar power.

Sure, there will be some group of workers responsible for maintaining the machines and designing new ones, and they'll still receive an income that they deserve and merit for their efforts. But those jobs will be limited in scope and arguably most of them won't even offer full-time employment.

>we simply build 3 times as many factories and suddenly everything becomes much cheaper. Ferraris become the new rice-burner, and the economy marches on.

And what happens when the original number of factories already supplied the entire world?

Do we start producing shitty products, throwing away good material into land fills so people have to keep buying and replacing the product at a rate that requires three times the number of workers?

Man how do you build and program all that shit? Stuff like this makes me feel so retarded

Your plan would cost too much to administer, you'd need to build means testing functionality into the system and you'd also need to hire case workers to oversee the processing of claims and error correction and you'd need investigators to follow up on instances of fraud, your parental handout scheme in particular will lead to a lot of fraud.

The only way UBI is feasible is with no incentives, no overhead and no minimum wage, it's universal, nothing needs to be assessed and everyone gets the same.

>If we only need a third of the workers for the same amount of work, then we simply build 3 times as many factories

Why is there unemployment?

>And what happens when the original number of factories already supplied the entire world?
Can the poor Brazilians in the fevalas buy a Ferrari without issue? No? Then the factories have come no where near supplying the entire world. Products constantly improve, but with those improvements generally comes higher costs, which requires better automation, followed by even better products. It's a cycle user, that has been going on since the industrial age, or perhaps even before that.

>Do I really need to tell you what the robots end up doing?
Killing their masters because the encryption keys and control software get published on wikileaks a day after the first day of fighting.

it's all off-the-shelf equipment - the trick is in the application and programming. organic shapes are tricky, but once you scan it and X-ray it it's actually not that hard to have the computers identify the proper places to cut.
REMEMBER:
robots don't have to be flawless. they only have to be better than humans.

THAT is the point to be scared or anxious of. Robots that take over jobs in the future won't always be doing so with 1000% increases in efficiency and quality.... it could be only 2%.

But it will be cheaper.

Most of it is from government involvement mucking things up, like with the minimum wage, excessive regulations, and the like.

yo, shoutout to the dude been posting smoking soldier waifus in the past few threads, good shit, doing gods work desu

Basic income is a horrible idea but automation is a legitimate concern.

As automation proceeds, remaining work suited to humans will become less and less vital. I'm certain we will still be able to find work for the entire human population, but it will increasingly be in inessential services and in the creation of new demand rather than in the service of satisfying existing demand.

We can already observe this trend. How many people today in America have jobs that truly do meaningful work? Sure, most jobs today require more skills and education than, say, riveting on an assembly line, but how useful is the resulting product?

When the everyman's arm was the industrial might of a country we had a much healthier, much more civic, much more cohesive society. As the everyman's work has become increasingly less important, the everyman's status and political power have declined.

Eventually we will have to decide whether to abandon humanity for the sake of progress or progress for the sake of humanity. For all time until now they have gone hand-in-hand, but one day machines will out-think us and we will have to make a tough choice.

I'll be reasonable with you then.

Who should have money taken from them?
How much of it should be taken?
Who gets the money?
How much do they get?

This, I guess, is the real answer.

We enjoy global warming and polition.

le hacking life civilasation cope.

This. The Men Of Iron are the reason why true AI are banned Imperium-wide, and why practically everyone is "employed". Any robots made are essentially lobotomized humans.

Same concept applies to the story of Terminator and so on, replacing human labor with automation will lead to nasty places.

An economic model where you literally pay people to dig holes and fill them up again can actually work. That's basically the same thing as a basic income except it involves effort and keeps people active and engaged.

The Egyptians had their surplus labor build huge, useless piles of stone.

Admittedly, the plan was only meant as a way to "ease into" UBI, and not the final stage of it, since I'm not even sure how the final stage of the autonomization of industry will look.

How do you propose dealing with children then? In a limited system, having universal income for each person can become troublesome once you consider that people will have more kids to have more house-hold income. Additionally, the plan itself relies on already existing programs, to an extent. The implementation of UBI would basically just be a cannibalized/pseudo-Social Security process. The issue, as I see it, is that there needs to be some framework put in place for the coming decade or two, because the future is rapidly approaching. My aim isn't a perfect system, but a practical system that is meant to serve as a foundation for future legislation. I do not think you can immediately start off with everyone getting the same, that would be far more difficult logistically than incremental steps.

I'm open to alternative suggestions though.

Call me a nut, but I don't think it's out of the question to assume that, even with a UBI or some other form of income, there could still be 'war games' between countries to cull populations, as a sport, if you will.

Skynet happens

That's why rich people retire early and live off passive income

You fucking retard. You're the dumb one thinking that you can't enjoy life, progress yourself and create things without a (((slavemaster))) forcing you to do so.

Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew?

bullshit, you are a fucking Idiot bro i cant even right now

>tfw no psychotic mercenary gf

simple you transfer wealth created through robots to the people. this is done by making all robots government property. yes i like the idea and most of the oeople in america will never know wealth so Fuck capatilism, because they ars capatalizing on US

What's some good ways to acquire passive income?

You mean like how mechanized industry took away 90% of our jobs?

Money and material wealth aside, people are strongly motivated by social status. They will always seek achievement for that purpose alone.

>simple you transfer wealth created through robots to the people. this is done by making all robots government property.
Perhaps instead of making the robots government property, make the means of making the robots, or powering the robots government property and taxing companies to use them?
I feel like the government charging businesses to draw from the electrical grid might go over better than requiring businesses to use government-owned robots, though I could see it happening.

the robots would create a surplus of wealth which would drive down the cost of everything to the point where they are super cheap or basically free (ask yourself why a phone is so cheap now vs 20 years ago)

the robots would be growing food, mining rocks and manufacturing them into products, they can work 24 7, work more efficiently than human workers, they will be our guilt free slaves

so we'd just all kick back and live like kings as we continue modernising the world and figure out how to colonise the moon, mars and beyond

there is no problem

>this is done by making all robots government property
I'm sure that will work out wonderfully for us. Giving the government all of our economy is just a recipe for success if I ever saw one.

Usury

This.

Anyone who doesn't think this would happen is delusional.

The SJWs are pushing their agenda in the most privileged, first world, decadent society in the history of mankind.

They don't realize that they're in the crystal palace and 99% of the earth lives in squalor on a few dollars a day.

It doesn't matter how good you have it.

The eternal SJW will always be there, trying to ruin it for everyone.

>if people are paid even a small amount of money, then they will all sit around and refuse to get a job.

No they won't.
The majority of people won't choose to live off the bare minimum.
The majority of people will choose to work.

I've mentioned this before, but here is Australia, we have this thing called Newstart.

It's kind of like welfare, except anyone can get on it, you can be on it forever, and all you have to do to stay on it is hand in a piece of paper with the details of ten jobs you applied for over the fortnight to the social services office.
You can get up to $1200 a fortnight depending on your circumstances.

It's pretty much UBI here already.

If your theory was correct, then Australia would be crashing and burning and its unemployment would be out of control.

But its not.
The unemployment here pretty much at the same level as other western countries.

So how do you explain that?

"What happens when" is the only argument Leftists have to defend their system anymore.

The genuinely intelligent ones (IQ of 130+) who choose to be doctors, engineers, entrepreneur/CEOs etc. should be rewarded for their work with access to the best housing and land, have their own servants provided, the ability to take multiple wives and such, creating a meritocratic class system, instead of the inter-generational wealth based one we have in capitalism.

Otherwise, why would truly smart people choose to spend so much of their time at work while they could otherwise direct their talents towards their own ends and stil get enough money to live?

that's not true.
imagine what you would do with your time if you didn't have to be some retarded wageslave doing something you don't entirely believe in everyday full-time.