Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola Konstantin Rodzaevsky Francisco Rolao Preto Dimitrije Ljotic
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.
Justin Baker
>spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
Bentley Barnes
>ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
Jacob Wood
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.
Thomas Young
...
Jaxon Mitchell
...
Daniel Brooks
...
Jacob Bailey
...
Luke Ross
...
Ethan Jackson
You're not doing so great huh
Thomas Moore
Arguable considering most people, provided they have some sense of security, live an "easy" life.
Henry Gutierrez
Explain this
Chase Thomas
Not for the past seven decades, if anything NOW we can be somewhat optimistic.
Dylan Jenkins
Its more in a relation to doing things the easy way, half passing things and the sort. Not trying your absolute best and hardest.
Adrian Gray
...
Kayden Reyes
Fuck collectivists, you fags will be loaded into helicopters too you know.
Adam Rodriguez
But it goes beyond semantics in my opinion. Most foreign policy extends from a place that argues in favor of simplicity.
"Friendliness is the easiest path to self-protection. Allies come to be under a desire to have a common sense of security. Being allied through a common goal is the easiest way to attain it."
Asher Barnes
Even the lowest quality citizens have a vote, and it is worth the same as those of the ones that could actually make an informed choice with the benefit of the nation in mind.
Lincoln Peterson
Honestly I want a detailed explanation I do not understand fascism and want to know.I need a brief rundown.
Jeremiah Wilson
Thanks I see that too, I do not like how to national media is run by a select few and controls public opinion is that why in Fascism the state controls the media?
Joseph Martin
>inb4 spanish cucks say this a meme
Robert Gonzalez
...
Lincoln Roberts
Everything is the state, the state is everything
Aaron Mitchell
...
Jaxon Evans
...
Colton King
...
Eli Martinez
Collectivization in fascism is nowhere near the communist definition, fascism abhors the idea of everyone being "equal" and a completely "equal" society. Some men will make more money than others, what matters is that its honest work, and they work they're best to fulfill their practice.
Asher Richardson
This goes into more of a personal side of things, by "disdaining the easy life" it simply means to always work your hardest, and try your best.
Luis Allen
Well there is alot to say, anything in specific you'd like to hear?
Brody White
...
Noah Gonzalez
...
Carson Sullivan
...
Benjamin Young
...
Grayson Kelly
Why is socialism hated but national socialism respected? Why is right wing nationalism a reaction to leftist extremism. Why did Hitlernot like Mussolini? What are the main goals of Fascism? I want to respect it but I am pretty ignorant about it.
Angel Hill
...
Dominic Green
You could try reading Mein Kampf or even listening to it as a book on tape. Freely available. Quit entertaining and educational.
Asher Brooks
I like the Falange because they actually continuously funded ideological arguments and academia, something a lot of other similar regimes neglected. Also, they were pragmatic and didn't instantly collapse like many of their compatriots.
Also, two questions (100% serious):
Am I wrong or is Singapore quasi-fascist, at least until recently? Perhaps even integralist?
>One party state under benevolent dictator >Nationalist in the extreme (although not necessarily racist; mostly civic nationalism and anti-racist, although Lee Kuan Yew did make the occasional "Chinese assimilate or fuck off" comment) >Authoritarian, strong state-enforced morality >Explicitly claim to be Third Position >People's Action Party symbol is basically the BUF symbol lel
I hear its been edited and its considered not good when trying to explain the current times due to it being written about Germany and the treaty of Ver.
Ayden Hill
You can easily find the unedited version. And the stuff about Austria and Germany is highly educational and interesting. At least for me it was.
Easton Morgan
>fascists don't like the internationalism of socialism, they don't see or believe in one size fits all >Because they put their own people first rather than help those outside your group >Mussolini was originally anti German due to his alliance with Austrian fascists and because he sorta honored the ww1 alliance until France and Britain got buttblasted about eithiopia >to bring the government and the people together in one national organ, but differant fascists have differant goals
Jordan Long
>differant fascists have differant goals That's a good description. Because just as each nationality is in a different position, their fascists should have different goals to help them.
Jayden Anderson
>Why is socialism hated Its non-hierarchical, egaliterianl and democratic. Thus going against nature >why is right wing nationalism a reaction to leftist extremism Because leftist rule leads to deterioration of society. Many fascist leaders are former socialists. >why did hitler not like mossulini Pretty sure they liked eachother. Butbi think hitler was more extreme om certain isues such as race (pic related). >main goals Implement the fascist doctrine I geuss
Jace Nelson
Evola wasn't a fascist
Nicholas Thomas
>>Mussolini was originally anti German due to his alliance with Austrian fascists and because he sorta honored the ww1 alliance until France and Britain got butt blasted about Ethiopia Is it possible to see the type of nationalism and fascism reappear in the western world? Its pretty bleak considering how its shut down no matter when its brought up.
Lucas Perry
What are some good books to read to understand the fundamentals and goals of Fascism. Already getting mein kampf tomorrow at library.
Jonathan Long
For you
>The foremost duty therefore, of the rulers of the State should be to make sure that the laws and institutions, the general character and administration of the commonwealth, shall be such as of themselves to realize well-being and private prosperity. This is the proper scope of wise statesmanship and is the work of the rulers. Now a State chiefly prospers and thrives through moral role, well-regulated family life, respect for religion and justice, the moderation and fair imposing of public taxes, the progress of the arts and of trade, the abundant yield of the land -- through everything, in fact, which makes the citizens better and happier. Hereby, then, it lies in the power of a ruler to benefit every class in the State, and amongst the rest to promote utmost the interests of the poor; and this in virtue of his office, and without being open to suspicion of undue interference -- since it is the province of the commonwealth to serve the common good. And the more that is done for the benefit of the working classes by the general laws of the country, the less need will there be to seek for special means to relieve them.
It's already happening, I'm not sure we'll get true strongman, dictator type fascism if anything I think we'll see more Korean and Singapore style dictatorship
Jacob Evans
>>The foremost duty therefore, of the rulers of the State should be to make sure that the laws and institutions, the general character and administration of the commonwealth, shall be such as of themselves to realize well-being and private prosperity. This is the proper scope of wise statesmanship and is the work of the rulers. Now a State chiefly prospers and thrives through moral role, well-regulated family life, respect for religion and justice, the moderation and fair imposing of public taxes, the progress of the arts and of trade, the abundant yield of the land -- through everything, in fact, which makes the citizens better and happier. Hereby, then, it lies in the power of a ruler to benefit every class in the State, and amongst the rest to promote utmost the interests of the poor; and this in virtue of his office, and without being open to suspicion of undue interference -- since it is the province of the commonwealth to serve the common good. And the more that is done for the benefit of the working classes by the general laws of the country, the less need will there be to seek for special means to relieve them. One last question before I stop asking questions, why is it that the Jewish issue is still addressed no matter what every year. It seems to be a little old to keep bringing it up and Germany having to pay so much money.
Grayson Morales
Thanks for the explanations
Jose Kelly
The media are Jews and the Jews are media
Joshua Wood
Socialism is hated because during the time and nowadays it is of marxist and liberal descent. National socialism however, you see the NSDAP was not founded by Hitler, the original party were pretty socialist, but once hitler became president of the party he basically scrapped the common socialist definition they had, he also introduced his theories on racialism to the party. And then in 1934, the night of long knives happened. The party was about to split, the original members of the party were Strasserists, the more socialist one's. And the ones now on hitlers side are today known as hitlerists, Hitler purged the party of these more leftist people, and anyone else who was only a "reactionary" instead of revolutionary. After this, the party was completely united. Hitler kept the name of the party, to avoid any complications.
Nationalism is a reaction to liberalism because the excess liberalism that is shoved down our throats, tells us, its racist to love or be proud of your country, you should feel bad if you're white, we're all born equal, etc. All these things, and the things that come with it, degeneracy of all forms. People become sick and tired of it, and as a result nationalism and other right wing movements arise.
And Hitler never did not like Mussolini, Mussolini and his creation of fascism was a large inspiration to Hitler. They had a small disagreement in the beginning when Hitler first attempted to invade Austria, but that's it. They became great allies after, and even personal friends. Hitler deeply admired Mussolini.
And the main goals? Establish the true state, rid of degeneracy and marxist influences, instill and promote an ultra nationalistic spirit amongst the people.
Mason Young
...
Camden Robinson
Yes, this is the reason, I don't think that the controls had to be too hard, but some ideas are just bad, counterproductive for social cohesion and overall destabilizing for the country.
Ryder Myers
Because it's easy to use the Holocaust to deflect criticism and because it is abhorrent to normies they don't question why, though they are starting to get tired of it.
Tyler Cox
Why because you are an evil racist nazi anti semetic piece Of shit who should be ashamed by society if you say anything even remotely negative about jews
Anthony Phillips
>Because it's easy to use the Holocaust to deflect criticism and because it is abhorrent to normies they don't question why, though they are starting to get tired of it. I became tired of it too its seems just like a way to make people feel guilty, alienated and attacked by opposition just for questioning it even in the U.S. I remember when I was doing a paper on it in high school and get suspended for two weeks due to questioning how to know it was real.
Charles Green
Will there be any leftist revolution like they keep claiming will happen? I know the right has all the guns and such but would it happen outside of the liberal areas in the future? I would think if anything like that happened it would cause a political shift at least. I do not know much but I would think a lot of regular people would unite against it.
William Rivera
that fucking ignatiev guy
Thomas Wright
It's really prominent among the youngest generation who notice most of the Jews who went through the Holocaust are dead and with the Internet are more exposed to the Israeli state.
Lincoln Clark
Yes, it wouldn't exactly be a revolution though. Just angry, Maybe some armed leftists. But its why its a perfect chance for fascism to arise again, a large fascist movement takes place and were to actively fight against these leftists, like you said, most people would join them as they would see the greater threat, that all forms of the left are psychotic, and hopeless
Eli Jenkins
discord.gg/Qnyj8 If you have an account follow that link, we have a library and many members that could offer advise and information on several subject.
Nathaniel Morgan
Thank you
Evan Smith
...
Jackson Cook
One thing I am noticing is the self destruction and the left eating itself. Its pretty sad to watch no matter what they blame each other for anything trivial.
Charles Sullivan
Are there any mexican fascists? I imagine all the drug war situation creating a climate very similar to red terror in italy. What ever happened to the green shirts? Are there falangists in mexico?
Hunter Edwards
At least with fascism, the essential principle is the love your people. Not constantly chop up the polity with identity politics.
Parker Parker
...
Lincoln Jones
...
Noah Diaz
I've always cared about my community and family. I went through an atheist stage where I disliked religion just to look edgy. Now I do see the importance of religion while not really believe in one true religion. I do see the left if not waging war on Trump, they attack each other for oppressing gays, gays being oppressive towards trans lgbtqa+1, the left needs more diversity more Islam. I dont understand how they want more of Islam when they are worse and would kill them instantly.
I brought these questions up to my uncle and his wife got extremely pissed and starting screaming at me just for bring it up its pretty annoying how they are so smug with their attitudes.
Jeremiah Richardson
...
Connor Rodriguez
The leftists are intolerant towards you but tolerant of towards Muslims. How much sense does that make?
I won't be taking part in either, the first one is left aligned and the second one has some very bad ideas, I am part of something somewhat smaller.
Xavier Butler
...
Samuel Parker
Some part of me wants the Muslims to take over extreme left cities and see the people who invited them get attached. I know once they become the ones in charge they move to more conservative areas and rinse and repeat.
Xavier Powell
I know the feeling, but every domestic Muslim is just waiting to be radicalized into a terrorist
Isaiah Hill
I think fascism may have spawned perhaps the most wrongly interpreted phrase in human history. That whole, "Fascism is the merger of the state and the corporation."
Every American liberal spews that shit on Facebook as though to mean that corporate influence in politics and corporatism in general equates to fascism. What Mussolini meant by that quote is that while there is a merger between private and public entities, it is the STATE that dictates to the CORPORATION what to do, and to the greatest extent possible, that dictation will foster the creation of goods and services best for the population as a whole.
They get it completely backwards. Makes me cringe as much as when people misuse the word Karma, and try to make it sound like a cosmic, virtue credit card. But that's a different story.
Robert Gomez
I assume by bad ideas you mean their desire for the American southwest and the reincorporation of central america?
Blake Bell
Part of that whole victor-writes-history problem I guess.
