Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
Remember to punch a communist at least once a day.
Benjamin Lee
JUST. STOP. POSTING. ALREADY.
Evan Taylor
Can you tell me how do you know if a good is worth its costs in a communist society?
Christopher Powell
Sage goes in all fields
Jonathan Sullivan
A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.
Jeremiah Williams
You can compare private snowmen and communistic snowman
Cameron Long
Marxist reporting in (still unsure about ideology, was formerly a Sup Forumsyp). Karl Marx was a true prophet indeed.
THE DIALECTIC IS IN MOTION
Also NazBol is the only true redpilled political system
Cameron Taylor
nazbols have nothing about natsoc, it is more about fascism or maybe caudilism like Salazar
Dylan Harris
i will not forget today
Asher Campbell
VIVA FRANCO MUERTE A LOS ROJOS ARRIBA ESPAÑA
Ryder Rodriguez
Over the last century, capitalism has repeatedly revealed its worst tendencies: instability and inequality. Instances of instability include the Great Depression (1929-1941) and the Great Recession since 2008, plus eleven "downturns" in the US between those two global collapses. Each time, millions lost jobs, misery soared, poverty worsened and massive resources were wasted. Leaders promised that their "reforms" would prevent such instability from recurring. Those promises were not kept. Reforms did not work or did not endure. The system was, and remains, the problem.
Inequality likewise proved to be an inherent trend of capitalism. Only occasionally and temporarily did opposition from its victims stop or reverse it. Income and wealth inequalities have worsened in almost every capitalist country since at least the 1970s. Today we have returned to the huge 19th-century-sized gaps between the richest 1 percent and everyone else. Rescuing the "disappearing middle class" has become every aspiring politician's slogan. Extreme inequality infects all of society as corporations and the rich, to protect their positions, buy the politicians, mass media and other cultural forms that are for sale.
Don't worry, I will yell "peaceful protest" while I do it, so it is not violence. :')
Brandon Jackson
>(((income))) >(((growth)))
Julian Taylor
When did you take the crimson pill, comrades? For me it was 2015.
Aiden Wilson
Yes, because communist was the first man in space
Nathaniel Nelson
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Asher Morgan
Communism is like playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded revolver and a requirement to reload after 6 shots. Sure, you might eventually hit a dud round but claiming that, despite your 3 buddies who tried it before each blowing their brains out on the first go, it's all a matter of precisely how you spin the cylinder is missing the point: the nature of the game itself will kill your ass.
Oliver Myers
Communism is where you have no power left and are at the complete mercy of the government. You have no masculinity, no self-determinism, you are nothing.
Live free or die.
Nathaniel Fisher
fascists BTFO
Jack King
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Nathan Morales
>communist was the first man in space >communist >man there never was, is or ever will be anything both Human and communist.
Jeremiah Morgan
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Jaxson Collins
kek commies are desperate as hell
Caleb Gray
Commies are the niggers of the political spectrum.
It's easier to recover from a nuclear fallout than from commie ideology.
Michael Howard
Tesla was a multimillionaire and only lived in rich circles his entire life.
Cringy as fuck how you think any nationalist would side with marxist retards. Liberals can be persuaded, a commie is a dogmatic lunatic that will deny reality to maintain his degenerate religion.
How do you imagine working comunism and why do you think it is possible?
Jaxson Williams
>fascism is not a religion
Eli Jackson
I feel like communists are always middle class 20 somethings working crap part time jobs and getting assistance for school or from parents
They honestly believe that under communism the immensely wealthy will have thier money redistributed, that they will suddenly be paid a living wage for thier part time job and the poor and homeless will no longer exist.
When in reality the wealthy flee with all thier wealth and the non wealthy are forced to work 70h a week in a factory for not quite a living wage.
Oliver Walker
>But I'm to qualified to work in a factory, I'm on my 5th year of a women's study bachelors degree!
Ayden Russell
tfw this thread has less credibility than the MGTOW threads
how does that feel /comg/
Gavin Ward
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Liam Green
>the jews conspiracy
retarded
James Smith
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Jayden Roberts
He's back! The NEET spaniard autist is back!
Evan Taylor
KIKE FAGGOTS
Logan Hughes
>Trying to explain how communism is supperior to capitalism, while trying to avoid the topic of the communist death count
Why dont you NEETs scurry back to your commu websites, trying to analyze how Lenin predicted ass cancer
Tyler Gonzalez
>muh dead people
Daniel Hill
>USSR gommunism was not real gommunism >won't stop posting USSR imagery Why?
Levi Mitchell
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Luis Robinson
Yes, your dead people. Appreciate the honesty though
Adam Ortiz
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Benjamin Bailey
HURRRR muh freedom of speech Hurr muh bastion
Jacob Jackson
Can someone explain to me why communism is so bad?
China: We can lead world beyond 'crisis' of Western democracy and capitalism
China's government newspaper used the weekend after U.S. President Donald Trump's inauguration to promote China as an alternative to the "crisis" of Western democracy and capitalism.
"Western-style democracy has played a progressive role in history, but right now it has heavy drawbacks," Han Zhen, Communist Party secretary of the Beijing Foreign Studies University, wrote in a Chinese editorial in the People's Daily.
The article and two similar pieces filled up a full page in the government paper on Sunday, and blamed Western democracy and capitalism for global troubles such as the financial crisis and populist movements in the U.S. and Europe. In this context, the editorials said, China could show the benefits of "socialism with Chinese characteristics."
Beijing is trying to enter what it sees as a leadership gap created by worries around Trump, said Scott Kennedy, director of the Project on Chinese Business and Political Economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
"I think they're just trying to take advantage of what looks like a disorderly transition in the U.S. and a great anxiety around the world about what a Trump administration looks like," Kennedy said. The commentary pieces follow other recent statements that criticize Western democracy as a concept. In the month ahead of the U.S. presidential election, Chinese commentators in state-run media said the campaign showed the "dysfunction of democracy" and said "the U.S. needs political reform."
This weekend's editorials continue Beijing's efforts to demonstrate that China's communist version of business, economic and political development are a viable alternative for the world at large.
Jonathan Young
This is literally retarded. "Economics" is a form of brain damage.
>>Hurr durr societies which prioritise money over people, end up generating more money
>>this therefore means that generating money is more important than people
?!?!?
You're not that dumb are you, user? Know what else really loves and thrives off endless growth? CANCER
Daniel Torres
Riddle me this Swede, should an item be valued at the hours spent making it or the supply and demand of the market?
James Robinson
You're a fucking moron because you can't even grasp the fact that communism (USSR wasn't communist, it had money and a state, PRC, same thing. It's not "scotsman fallacy" because none of these regimes have actually -met the fucking definition-) DOES NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT BECAUSE GOVERNMENT IS PART OF A STATE.
Communism is essentially utopian anarchism. We can argue about whether humans are smart and kind enough to get it to work, but don't make strawmen about it. This is why resource-based economics are fundamentally important to a modern interpretation of communism because by using technologies to create abundance, you remove the need for competition and thus we can essentially live in the kind of societal structures we are best adapted to (very small groups) where the only crimes are crimes of passion that can be easily dealt with, and any greater crimes will quickly be stamped out by non-governmental human beings resisting blatant fuckwaddery.
The sad thing is that it would work; but the transition to such a society may require either a) a new planet to be colonised or b) complete and utter overthrow of the current oligarchs (which is pretty damn hard) since if you have virtually infinite power you're not going to voluntarily give it up
The problem is that in a monetary system, power begats power. Power consolidates itself, even if not in individual humans (which of course it does) but the system itself. Money is a parasitical entity that has attached itself to human society and needs to be erased, else humans themselves will end up being phased out for robotic labour that the capitalist elite will prefer over pesky rebellious peasants
Wyatt Gomez
But a cult of personality can be.
Eli Reyes
What's a few million dead farmers here and there worth ay?
Noah Evans
An item should not be valued at all. Resources should be gahtered and processed at a rate in slight abundance of need to account for waste and accidental loss, and then made available for everybody.
Everybody is currently alive Therefore there has been enough food for them to have existed Paper money and digits did not make the food Therefore the digits are not necessary for them to have eaten Therefore it is less resource intensive and less time-wasting to simply produce the food, and let people eat it
You cannot argue this. You literally need to claim that nobody today is alive to argue it. Money and "value" are artificial constructs based upon perception and require belief to give them power; used as a control mechanism.
Connor Smith
Marxism=/= what Sup Forums calls cultural marxism.
Marxism= That girl has a real, useful job or is not exploited to make someone else a useless profit, and isn't obsessed with trying to prove her social worth and hide her misery by dressing in mismatching, overpriced clothing and having sex with a ton of total strangers. Maybe immigrants will come, but maybe they won't since their countries will be able to build their own society rather than being ruled by capitalists who live thousands of miles away and don't give a shit about their culture or history, so they won't be desperate to come to Europe where things are better.
Alexander Collins
THIS IS N/S GENERAL NOW
POST THEM BOYS!!
Bentley Morgan
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Easton Nguyen
This right here is high quality.
Jayden Flores
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Jaxon Bennett
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Jordan Green
As a middle class person, if I wanted to adopt the principles of communism, what would I have to do? What am I currently doing that's immoral? How is a country supposed to transition from having a single socialist party to having a stateless communist society? What if the party chooses to maintain power indefinitely? How does the communist definition of "liberal" differ from the conservative definition of liberal? Are you allowed to leave the country in communism?
Jose Perry
So you would only stockpile food for winter then not use it for trade of essential items? Or would this be allowed through a barter system? At what point does it become difficult to value how many bundles of hay are worth a chicken? Surely a middle resource is needed that can act as an intermediary?
Pretending that humanity can be, or has ever been totally moral and without greed is ridiculously flawed.
Luke Sanchez
If you are middle class you have already reached the optimum level, pursuing Marxist/Communist/Socialist ideas IN PRACTICE not theory will only lower yourself down. Be content with being in a majority Middle class country and don't fuck it up.
Elijah Foster
ah yes the same spainfag who keeps sucking his own communist dick
fuck off sage
Grayson Nelson
It's a hypothetical question lmao I'm ancap
Robert Adams
*tips edgy*
Jack Mitchell
The invisible hand doesn't work though, regulations are needed to stop monopolies from forming.
Julian Wood
Funny thing is that that image was taken at night, and North Korea usually turns off much of their electric grid at night.
Mason Thomas
Look to a brighter future anons.
That future is in realizing and acting in the potential of our race.
Also sage.
Henry Thomas
"Economic freedom" is a meme-tier definition of capitalism.
Ayden Bailey
Not an argument. You forgot the bit about how socioeconomic indicators dropped after the collapse of the Eastern Bloc, and how many people in the former Eastern Bloc miss the old days.
Easton Flores
It sounds fucking retarded.
Nathan Richardson
Communism is for whiny faggots.
Nolan Cruz
It was written by the Tsar's secret police, the Okhrana.
Noah Sullivan
Everyone will just start cooperating due to magic.
Ryder Robinson
thats why i said what i said in
Trade isn't necessary when there are enough of each material good produced that each family has enough. We are living in an age of 3d printers and vertical indoor farming, not haybales. IF you want to be self-sufficient, you can do that (with no fucking property tax), if you want to engage in global society so you can get some coconuts, sure whatever.
It's utopian, yes. But attempting it, and attempting to guide people to a state where their morals is still preferable to being a slave. This is why I said it works either on new planetary colonies or in small communities. Tribal societies have always, ALWAYS worked this way. And their societies have been the most stable. Think about it - society that deviates from that standard is constantly going through cycles of failure, wheras theirs stay strong.
We can use technology and philosophy to global positive effect whilst keeping physical tribal societies now because we have the fucking INTERNET. Cities and nation-states and banks all the captialistic degeneracy they lead to are irrelevant.bThe problem is undoing the damage to get to such utopia.
Asher Long
>goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
bye iphones, bye pcs, bye message boards, bye televisions, bye carpets, bye more than 2 types of salsa, bye any meat but chicken, bye imported vegetables
fuck you and your stupid religion. yes, marxism is a religion, you stupid fuck.
