Sup Forums's version of free speech

Sup Forums, what is free speech?

Thats simple silly, its the right to say whatever you want to say!

Sup Forums, then what is NOT free speech?

Any ideas I find offensive or anything that doesn't fit my narrative, of course!

>Any ideas I find offensive or anything that doesn't fit my narrative
you're confusing us with marxists

>thinking Sup Forums is a hive mind
Sup Forums isn't one person, now fuck off.

I'm pretty sure you're thinking about the libtards.

everyone is entitled to say what they want; whether or not the death squads pay them a visit is a whole other story.

Exactly. Being free to say something doesn't mean there won't be consequences for saying it.

95% of people on Sup Forums believe wholeheartedly in free speech. i.e. you can say whatever you want with no exceptions
That's kind of why we're on Sup Forums

Death squads meaning vigilantes? Free speech is speech that is legal. Illegal speech is speech inciting violence, endangerment, or interrupting a performance. Yelling "fire!" in a crowded area isn't legal. Protesting an event in a manner that disrupts the event isn't legal. Saying "kill all niggers" isn't legal.

remove this picture hitler is not to joke about

>Death squads meaning vigilantes?
No, the State-sponsored kind. I was implying that all speech could very well be legal but politically-motivated assassinations are a thing.

>Yelling "fire!" in a crowded area isn't legal.
According to the SC, it is.
Only speech leading to imminent criminality (i.e. the Brandenburg test) is illegal.

So
>Saying "kill all niggers" isn't legal
but only if you're screaming it as a rallying cry to immediately murder some niggers.

>Standard 'why won't you let the Jews manipulate you' thread
Lefties getting BTFO hard when this shill thread shows up.

I would only punish those things if there is a causal link to actual harm. The guy who said "kill all the niggers" should be left alone unless someone in his audience really starts killing blacks.

>the final redpill
>realizing that Sup Forums is just you and robots endlessly repeating the same garbage forever
>and me,

I'm sick of this retardation, so I'm going to spell this one out.

Free speech, in its simplest form, means that the government cannot stop you from, nor punish you for saying whatever the fuck you want to say. This is almost always limited in some way - urging someone to go out and massacre people, death threats, all that kind of stuff are usually considered unprotected speech. The issue is where to draw the line - how many steps removed from violence does it have to be to justify curtailing free speech. The Americans say one step and no more - death threats are (as far as I know) not tolerated, but most other stuff is.

In Europe it's nowhere near so clear. "Inciting hatred", (the inciting can be inferred, as can the intent, as can the hatred) is often a crime. Using certain terms on twitter or facebook will get you (as a minimum) a visit from the police.

You can argue over where the line should be, but always remember that the further out the line is, the more you are telling the government "there are ideas out there too scary for us to deal with, and so I need you to safeguard us from them". Then remember that governments change. The fact that the current one agrees with your assessment entirely doesn't mean that the next one won't use the exact same laws you wanted to pass to fuck you and everyone like you in the ass. This is why it is vital to limit government supervision of our lives (in all arenas in my opinion, but especially with regards to free speech).

The second element of free speech is harder to make clear, and is to do with societal attitudes to free speech. As we have seen from recent events involving Milo in the USA, the fact that government is not limiting free speech does not mean that all is well. It is meant to be an ideal, that we tolerate all discourse and are open to new ideas, that we challenge ourselves and others to better our arguments. The problem with this is that not all forums are suitable for all discussions: it is folly to label as censorship someone telling the furry that no, this Bible class is not the appropriate place to discuss his fetish. It is next to impossible to draw a line in the sand on this one, but if there is one it should be with regards to universities, and political outlets. These places must have free and open debate lest they become echo chambers, divorced from the real world.

If I tell you that you are fucking retarded and that you ought to shut the fuck up, I mean just that. I do not mean that the government should have the power to silence you, nor that I think all dissenting opinions are wrong. Only through adversity can ideas be honed. That doesn't mean that I don't think you're a snivelling little weasel.

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Free speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want without people voicing their opinions, concerns or counter arguments.

Free speech is the fact that you get to say whatever you want with out legal or violent repercussions.

Now please drink bleach you American mongrel.

>In Europe it's nowhere near so clear. "Inciting hatred", (the inciting can be inferred, as can the intent, as can the hatred) is often a crime. Using certain terms on twitter or facebook will get you (as a minimum) a visit from the police.

Europe is not one country with one set of laws bong. In Denmark you can deny the holocaust, be an openly nazi, write that you think all Muslims are subhumans and so on.

The only two thing you cant do is come with specific threats to a specific person like "I will kill your mum and your dog" or inciting violence against a group of people like "Go and kill all Jews!". However this is only illegal if it passes the propaganda test (radio show, TV or official news papers). What you say to your friends or small groups of people is completely free.

oh and also when it comes to war free speech is severely limited.

Dear Danebro - I was speaking in generalities, obviously. I've lived in a few continental countries as well as the UK, and my observations hold true. Regardless, the point was not "EU bad America good", it was on what the point of departure for free speech should be taken as. The examples were illustrative, nothing more.

Freedom of speech IMO applies to any speech which is not a threat, a direct incitement to violence e.g. "Kill that guy for me" or treason.

But if you're committing treason it'd be pretty stupid to do it inside your own borders.

>can be openly a nazi
Wait, really? I thought the theory in modt places went that by announcing yourself as a nazi you advocate the killing of subhumans (in the way you say death treats).
Here the law is very strict for that.

> I was speaking in generalities, obviously.
>The examples were illustrative, nothing more.
I was aware of that but I just had to clarify for any potential ignorant burgers lurking this thread that Europe is still not ONE damn country.

>Regardless, the point was not "EU bad America good"
The EU is bad however :^)

>and me
>hate speech must be allowed
>else there is no free speech

The EU as a whole is bad. SOME counties individually have some good areas.

I support free speech, but that does not mean I cant tell you how much of a retarded faggot you are for posting such a load of crap.

>google, twitter, youtube, snapchat removing and muting ANY material they dont like
>removing sound from any nazi documentaries
>allowing some gay fucking to stay up and active
>allowing blacks to racially attack others without banning
>outright fucking deleting accounts of anyone who voice support of trump if they have 10k+ followers

how about FUCK YOU if you dont like Sup Forums right-leaning, then go suck liberal cock in all the other little faggot bastions you have

>Saying "kill all niggers" isn't legal.
But that's where you're wrong kiddo

well its very much legal in Denmark. We even had a radio channel for those retards (closed down because not enough listeners).
I went to school with the niece of the leader of the official danish nazi party's leader. He is a moron if you are wondering.

>Here the law is very strict for that.
Why are continental Euroshits always so damn pathetic? You got nazi and white guilt too?

>pic related is a bunch of idiot nazis marching in Denmark

Free speech is either absolute or non-existent.
Where we should draw the line is violence.

the official nazi party calls themselves "Danmarks Nationalsocialistiske Bevægelse" (DNSB) which translate to "Denmark's National socialistic movement".

They go all the way back to WW2 and they publish a newspaper called "The fatherland" from 1952. They change their name to their current one in 1991 and are lead by Esben Kristensen.

Yeah unfortunately the people who actually go out and do shit to propagate ideas are invariably the ones that think they're important enough that people care about it. Self importance is a sign of stupidity.
The right is far worse off on that than the left.
Don't know of anyone worth listening to.

dont buy into all the nazi crap people spew on Sup Forums. Be a proud nationalist and support personal freedom whenever it does not damage the society as a whole.