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china is more capitalist than USA bro

sage tavistock
move to china fag.

Free trade at work

If d00bs I kill myself

>Shows 1990 hardcore communist china
>and then 2010 state capitalist China
I hope you're trolling

True, you can see how effective capitalism has been in China from photos like these

also sage

their economic development is due to the market reforms of Deng not communism

Are you retarded? 99.9999% of China is starvation level poverty with no medicine or education of any kind but because 0.00001% of it has skyscrapers you argue communism can succeed? Helicopter yourself.

communism=state capitalism

wrong
china had to ditch their planned economies in favor of the free market to get that kind of growth. granted they are still very under control of the CCC, but let's not pretend they are full on communist

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>communism works when you turn your country into a slave labor factory to supply the rich capitalist countries with i-phones

Great thread

China is a literal polluted garbage dump

youtu.be/pqdgU5-CcyA

>gommunism
>stock market

damn old shanghai looks fucking comfy

>left hates 1% and rich people
>doesn't understand that shanghai is a playground for the rich Chinese class
>doesn't realize that 99% of Chinese are slaves to the government

China isn't communist at all. Just as russian isn't. China is one of the most capitalist states in the world, prob. even THE most capitalist one. Their "communist party of china" isn't actually communist, they are just a bunch of fascist morons (like pretty much all wannabe-communist parties in history) and i'am sure they are aware of it.

Then again, considering how every party in history that considered itself communist (Despite clearly not being so) was instead purely fascist, i guess you could see "communism" (by experience) as an approximation to "facism" :p

This is a false narrative. China IS communist. Just because they have cities with free trade for the top 1% of their nation, does not mean the rest of the country has free reign or any type of capitalist opportunity.

look at this:
"In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal") is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state."

For China to be communist, most people there (when seen as a movement) would have to fit the definition. Explain please, how that is the case?

#NotCommunism

Are you from /leftypol/?

i'am right winger (at least i would be considerd as such in germany). I just happen to be pedantic if it comes to using words.

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Without Clinton and globalist bankers China would still be a huge dirty farm like they were in the 60s and 70s

Fuck China lol

youtube.com/watch?v=o9eXi3RL8q4

Wait, what happened to "but it's not real communism" being just a meme? Does it not apply to China just because China is advancing now? Really makes you think...

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That's not True Communism™ :^)

That kind of talk right there is why Trump won the election.

And there is no "real" world. There is just living and trying to be happy.

If we want to argue the real world, you city folks have no clue what it's like to live like I do.

I've got 50 chickens, 15 hogs, three dairy cows, and 6 acres of land I farm for my own benefit.

Aside from internet(which I can live without), I have officially become 100% self sufficient last month.

I live on a well, my power is drawn from a homemade windmill, I have plenty of iron to make the tools I need, I have a foundry, and soon to have a wife.

You city folk only know life by living off of others, you know nothing of struggle and hardship that isn't self inflicted.

You city folk think you're so high and mighty, so important, like you run the world.

Except you don't. The earth runs herself. You folks in the city keep addressing self inflicted problems, and making them worse. You city folk have an opportunity to make millions of dollars with your big corporations.

I don't care about big corporations, I don't care about getting the most updated things. I only care about the things I can make, and the means of surviving in the most natural and humane way as possible.

Go fuck yourself, yellow belly.

>communism
>capitalism

go pick a fucking history book in the library fag

>Not real commu-

Obviously a pedo

city slicker knocking aside, nice man. May I ask where you live? I've been dreaming of moving to upstate NY and doing something similar

Was china more communist or less communist in 1990?

No, it doesn't apply to China because of the market reforms of 1978, which happens to mark the exact moment when China stopped having mass famines and shit industry to becoming a rising economic superstar.

In other words, the instant China started playing the free market game it became an economic superpower.

Ask yourself, who owns the means of production in China?
Is it the State? No, it isn't.
Is it the Worker? No, it isn't.
Is it Capital? Yes! Yes it is!

And so China's economic success occurred under Capitalism precisely as Marx described it in Das Kapital, whereas its disastrous period of economic strife occurred under heavy-handed Socialism.

So you built the device you're posting on now? Developed an appropriate OS?

Or did a Chink do that for you?

>China
>free market
poor thing must be retarded ...

>hong kong
>communist

britbro pls. you're smarter than that

Most of northern NY is quite beautiful. The Catskills are lovely, too. but go somewhere you can buy a gun.

Another severly dumb user

Another China is communism thread with the same exact caption.

>he thinks China doesn't turn a blind eye to Hong Kong so that they can keep saying communism works
I didn't think it was possible to have a worse education than an American, but here you are.

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It's not communist, but it's also not capitalist either. NatSoc types should jump on it to highlight how successful third way is.

Well that's all fine and dandy as shit you amerilard, but OP used a mainland Chinese pic for his point.

Hope you have a rocket launcher because when it falls apart I'm burning down your barn taking what I want and turning out your wife into my sex slave goyum

Northern NY has no shortage of guns, again, where are you? Midwest? I've been daydreaming of north dakota / montana lately as well

It's complicated. They have a fairly free market, but the major businesses have a rather incestuous relationship with the government, which is still autocratic.

i think hong kong is a quarentine Free Market Zone in communiste china.
its like i said a kind of big expirement. and a school for buisnessmen coming from communist china.
like a playground.

China has a free market in the sense that if you have enough money to bribe local government officials you can do whatever the fuck you want. You can bulldoze whole housing complexes for a tennis court. There's also close to zero quality control, and what quality control exists, is horrifically corrupt. Concepts like pride in craftsmanship do not exist in Chinese culture. Their culture is one where if you can fuck someone with a cheap product that falls apart, too bad, that's their problem. This mindset is all-pervasive, which is why these problems persist forever. Trying to change it is like trying to get the Middle East to adopt Catholicism. You just can't.

tl;dr, if you have money China is a libertarian paradise.

it's controlled by commies, retard. there's a commie flag flying, it's communist.

It's not communism, sweetheart
It's state capitalism

>*sips tea*

My drones will carry fuel oil and flares land on your house in the middle of the night. When you go out to investigate you get lit up. Then I own all your things. Only I won't tell your grieving wife how you committed suicide. I will groom her while I wear your clothing and eat your food.
Self sufficient off the grid types will be my main targets in a WROL

Check 'em

>if you have money
>china is a libral paradise.
dystopian*

I hope you don't think you are strong enough to keep what you own. As soon as we want your land we will tax you off it or you might get sick. If you have no strong social bonds with powerful folks then its like taking candy from a baby

China is communist in name only, you dumb fucks.
It's an authoritarian capitalist state.

Oh shit I thought left said 1900 but it says 1990, that's a crazy change in 20 years

Anyways, Shanghai is a Special Economic Zone where China does experiments with free market policies
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_China

Another such zone is Shenzhen, a city of 10 million located 40km north of Hong Kong, technically in mainland China. Pic related. Building in the centre is Ping An Finance Center, taller than anything in the New World (Western Hemisphere)

fuck that's rad

ah yes a bunch of non chinese telling a bunch of other non chinese how their system works as informed by their countries own propaganda machine

do it anyway

>Pic related. Building in the centre is Ping An Finance Center, taller than anything in the New World (Western Hemisphere)

Designed by Chicago architectural firm Kohn Pedersen Fox, and engineered by Thornton Tomasetti, based in New York City.

Govt can literally an hero your whole family, strip away all business assets, seize everything you own.

But it isn't real communism because they are starting to do well :^)

The first is a picture facing towards the undeveloped part of the city which is mostly similar.

The second is a picture from the developed part. You'll notice no similarities in the buildings of either picture.

Makes me think.

Their lack of political freedom and the overreach of government is an issue, and the incestuous nature of the relationship between State and Finance is obviously a problem as well, but the fact remains that China's system is fairly free market. It is definitely not Communist and one could only call it Socialist or State Capitalist under the very loosest of definitions.

At this point the fact that the ruling party happens to be called the Communist Party doesn't really mean anything, the economic principles that govern the nation are fundamentally Capitalist. It isn't pure, but China is also not purely successful, if they opened their markets further they'd be doing even better.

Big empty shiny buildings aren't impressive, user.

20 years of capitalism. Good lord.

Not just capitalism - capitalism with state dictated growth figures, and zero mandatory quality control.

>China
>Communist
nice meme

It looked nicer before.

>Now arriving at: Li-Jiang Tower

reroll

also if treeps you give back Istria

Are you that guy who warned everyone away from learning Mandarin because you'll forever be stuck in a job dealing with shitty lying Chinese Jews? That post was pretty interesting.

State capitalism.

They are full national socialist now. nothing communist about them.

Just 20 years. Pity though, the picture on the right is exactly why they are about to return to the picture on the left. Their housing market is about to crash so hard 2008 will look like the boom of the 20s.

They essentially have communism for social/political issues and then allow a capitalist free market to occur because it obviously will fatten their pockets.

4000 chinks die everyday from smog. such class.

Lets go

it is literally the most free market on earth. There is no copy right enforcement, no climate enforcement, no building code enforcement, almost no tax enforcement. Are you retarded? How many billionaires existed in the soviet union? IN real communist china? in North korea? NONE you fucking twat.. china has plenty of billionaires that have mansions and Ferraris and import french wine.. what fucking communist country was that possible in? What communist country allows citizens to own companies? to have globally publicly traded companies? To allow foreign currency exchange? Do you even know what communism is?

>Communism- a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.

China is literally a fascist nation.

If it directs capital investment like a fascist, controls the people through state propaganda like a fascist and it censors immoral media like a fascist, then it's probably fascist.

But go on, explain how NOT abolishing the state, NOT abolishing currency, NOT abolishing private capital and NOT socialising the means of production is "communist".

KeK was merciful t'day

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"State capitalism"

It's fascism.

China is communist in as far as having a one party state and nothing more.

eh its not even really true capitalism since the government gives up as much control as they need to just to stay in power and rake in them mad bux for themselves.

Kek will not let this user die

that's shanghai faggot

Yeah. Because they abandoned communism and stopped killing off half of their fucking population.

Not really.

>Big empty shiny buildings aren't impressive, user.

What the fuck? Yes they are
youtube.com/watch?v=gLDYtH1RH-U

Some people like going to the beach. Some people like taking walks in forests. I'd rather run around drunkenly on random floors of an unfinished skyscraper at night or do some sort of cyberpunk Prince of Persia parkour (Mirror's Edge is a good game for this)

Fuck off dude. If some FOB chink in my city had a PhD in medieval European history, I'd rather listen to him on that topic than some drunk at the pub attempting to derive academic authority from his ancestry

People might think they're CINO (communist in name only) but they're not - the CCP in Beijing still sets all the rules. They just run free market/capitalist experiments in certain areas. Sometimes they set a blend of experimental policies and fuck off for 25 years to see what happens, sometimes they come back and get actively involved - like in Hong Kong, the constant revisions to capital controls, forcing mandatory Mandarin in schools (they speak Cantonese there), subtly changing the rules of the "one country, two systems" promise which results in pro-democracy protests every now and then, etc.

Agreed. USA is more communistic than China in certain ways. The previous tenant of the apartment i live in is a Chinese immigrant. He says China doesn't even have property tax. If you buy land in China, you own it. No taxes. I wish America was like that

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>USA is more communist than China
>state capitalism is fascism
>communism is national socialism
why is this board so fucking retarded

China isn't communist you dingus.

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