Working moms/Maternity leave discussion

As many of you know the average middle class family usually needs two working parents. I want a discussion on maternity leave, working moms, and also the mother's ability to breastfeed

So first I'd like to ask do you think mothers should have maternity leave? Paid by the state or government? And for how long? 4 months, 6 months or 1 year?

This is where I tie it in with breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is obviously the more beneficial and healthier choice compared to formula for a baby. It's also free. It is recommended by the world health organization to breastfeed for one year. However many moms find it stressful to pump the milk while at work and their supply will dwindle down. So considering this, would you support 1 year maternity leave? Paid?

What about families who want to have a lot of kids, would it be fair to give them all that extra time + money?

>do you think mothers should have maternity leave?
yes
>Paid by the state or government?
Yes but only if they were full time before hand. If they were unemployed and just living at home then no pay.
>And for how long? 4 months, 6 months or 1 year?
At least 6 months.

>What about families who want to have a lot of kids, would it be fair to give them all that extra time + money?
2 kids max. Any kid born after your 2nd is 100% on you to take of with no help from the government.

>needs two working parents.
That's bullshit.
>So first I'd like to ask do you think mothers should have maternity leave?
Maternity leave just encourages child neglect. Cunts shouldn't have jobs.

They shouldnt be working at all. They should be at home raising the child. The brain develops a massive amount in the first 2 years. People are fucking morons for dropping their kid with some random daycare minimum wage worker and letting them raise their child. Dumb women. Even dumber men for letting the mother abandon the kid for that long every day.

>So first I'd like to ask do you think mothers should have maternity leave?
Definetely.

>Paid by the state or government?
Paid for by their employer, topped up by the state if they need support.

>And for how long? 4 months, 6 months or 1 year?
I think it is hard to say because this could easily be abused by people just having kids repeatedly and getting paid.

Women should only get (paid) maternal if the fathers get (paid) paternal leave equal in duration.

If women want maternity leave they should actually work when they're not pregnant instead of only throwing cup cake parties, Becky. It was nice at first but you have a problem. No one should be eating that many cupcakes every day

Woman Logic 101:

>Wants 6 Months Maternity Leave.
>Higher cost to insure.
>Higher risk of becoming preggers and losing 6 months of productivity

Wonder why they make less money and are not offered advancement opportunities

If was going to sell you two machines and I told you one was only going to work and/or have the risk of only doing 72% of the work than the other one, would you pay the same price for either machine?

jeez, this board really has gone to the leftists...what you're calling for is socialism you lazy nigger thug.

Why the FUCK would a woman work while pregnant? Her sole focus should be on avoiding high stress situations for the betterment of her developing child.

>Paid for by the employer

Yes, but forced to pay the same wage as a man in an equal position.

Either way, the employer DOES pay for it through corporate taxation which is then passed onto the consumer in the form of inflation.

Even if it makes little economic sense to hire a woman that will likely get pregnant with mandatory leave, diversity quotas are more of a reality than common sense these days.

Here maternity and paternity pay are about 70% of regular pay I think.

Paid leave should be between employers and employees. State should not have anything to do with it. Libs care about women that much, set up a fund for them, not raising taxes and making other people pay for it.

It really depends. Is it possible to live a middle class life in the US if only the father is working?

Feminist special interests making rules in favor of their special interests

Nah, that never happens.

Everything went downhill when we gave women the right to vote.

When only men have the right to vote, it was essentially 1 vote per family. Now, with women having the right to vote it's 1 vote per individual.

It would be the equivalent if the cells in your body all had a say in what their function was.

When that happens, it's called cancer.

Don't overestimate the skills and education of the average American with a college degree.

>However many moms find it stressful to pump the milk while at work
stressful because they have no real job security/rights and are demeaned and harassed for doing this kind of thing by management

Yes, if people know how to balance their budget. Stop getting expensive phone plan, cable, etc... But if they did, there is nothing to complain and no problem for dems to "solve".

Pretty much all first world woes would end overnight if women went back home to care for the family...

What would happen to our health issues if it was the sole function of one family member to make responsible food choices for the family?

What would happen to the labor/wage market if suddenly 45% of the workforce left?

What would happen to education if it was the sole responsibility of one family member to take interest in the school activities of children?

What would happen to personal finances if it was the sole responsibility of one family member to maintain a budget?

What would happen to overall productivity of the workforce if every individual who was working could focus on their career?

The dual income format has been one of the largest scams ever put on a population in history.

Women are horrible negotiates. Just look at what their negotiating skills have done to the average salaries for a pharmacist in the last few decades. Your idea would hold water in a world where women were as good at negotiating as men.

>Everything went downhill when we gave women the right to vote.
so fucking cringy. this happened almost a hundred years ago, im willing to bet youre a teenager with no real interest in history

We should absolutely support the most generous maternity leave plans possible, in particular it benefits highly educated middle class white people who are the people we want reproducing the most.
>is it fair?
On an individual basis maybe not, on a societal basis absolutely. These people are creating the next generation of the country at great financial and personal cost, it's not unreasonable for society, including the childfree members, to give them some support in that.

True, so that the skill they need to improve.

Actually, I can almost guarantee I am older than you.

In my experience with working/dating/socializing/interacting with women all these years, trust me when I say that women belong as caretakers for their families and NOT in the workplace.

And that is the feminist lie, that "the home is prison"... caretaker and raising the next generation of humans is the most important job of all. Supporting and respecting the current generation of men is the second most important job.

Sure, you can point out exceptions to this rule, there is always a few... but competition, politics, business, and comradery for the common goal of accomplishment in a business setting... these are the characteristics of men

ITT:No cunt with kids

My wife worked part-time therefore was not entitled to maternity leave. Life sucks.
That said, she didnt, and still doesnt need to work because I earn more than enough money. Anybody who says cuck or MGTOW to my reply will die in their sleep tonight.

Honestly though, I just blew my load deep in her and shes now cooking bacon, eggs and Avocado on toast with my cum dripping down her thigh. Suck a dick you fucken neets.

this

>Actually, I can almost guarantee I am older than you.
am 34
>n my experience with working/dating/socializing/interacting with women all these years,
pfft.not married with kids? tell me more about your internet dates

Women in the workplace was a mistake.

Now we have both adults in the family working and they can afford even less than a single man working a few decades ago.

Bullshit. Nobody forces a woman to have a kid. If she can't finacially support a kid, she shouldn't have one. Buh buh, dats not fair. Oh well, the world isn't fair.

Agree. Some people are irresponsible and that's when socialism thrive :(((( " we are here to solve your problem"

I am married (no kids as of yet) and earn enough for my wife to stay home and take care of the house and she freelances for extra scratch.

I come home each day to a cooked meal and much like this gentleman here I can attest that finding a woman that respects you and at the same time fulfilling the needs of your family is the traditional gender role, is the most fulfilling life one can dream of achieving. I get to pursue my career goals and achieve my business aspirations without obstruction of the dual income drama. Furthermore, she without the burden of financial restraint (to a threshold of income and budgeting) can pursue hobbies and social interaction as she sees fit. Both are extremely fulfilling lives based on mutual expectation and respect.

A man owns his wife. She in return gets his exclusive respect. This is the way it is supposed to be. An exchange of excess labor of a man for the excess sex of a woman.

While me and my fianceé aren't still married and don't have kids, I still work and help him lvl up his education and carreer.

When the time comes for me to have children, I'll gtfo working life and dedicate myself to raising them. Husband will be earning more and will be able to support all by himself.

I'll be a fulltime mom and housewife.
Fuck companies & work.

>pfft.not married with kids? tell me more about your internet dates
this
family is muh ultimate redpill
quite harder than fucking unnamed tinder bunnies under 3 layers of latex

Why am I,taxpayer, paying for woman who isn't mine to spend time with a child who isn't mine?

>Board that's always had a ton of National Socialists
>WOW, LOOK AT ALL THESE NIGGER THUGS

Neck yourself.

>Both are extremely fulfilling lives based on mutual expectation and respect.
i know.stay-at-home-dad master race here. have fun at work tomorrow user.you originally said woman shouldn't vote.do u just kick her teeth in on voting days? i mean u own her and all

Just go back to when women didn't work and a man could support a wife and 4 kids, buy a house and car or two, go on vacation every few years, and have enough in retirement to do pretty much anything they wished.

Women working was a mistake

>Housewife

Thrown around in such a taboo way.

People think you just sit there all day calming the screaming children down and vacuuming.

Housewives are also in charge of things like the social lives on behalf of the family. My wife, for the last few years has been the one that maintains relationships with our friends and family which has kept us all closer and much more fulfilled.

Hobbies can be pursued, networks can be nurtured, and relationships can maintain when each person has a sole purpose in the family and the roles are divided to a manageable level.

The fucking drama I hear over family, friends, relationships are always exclusively from my friends/family that live dual income lives

your sex life must be devilish

Here women get pregnancy leave from 6th month till birth + a one year maternity leave. All fully paid by the employer.

I think it's a good, family oriented system though it opens the possibility of both employees abusing it and employers discriminating against women

>he can't look at the curve of western civilization and draw conclusions
It doesn't take a 140 year old to realize empires collapsed around when women began voting

I do have fun at work. Achieving career goals... achievement in general is a wonderful thing.

Subsidized maternity leave would definitely help boost birth rates among upper class folks. I know that I for one want to have kids as soon as possible. But, it probably wont be an option until both my husband (now fiancé) and I both have stable, well-paying jobs.

>As many of you know the average middle class family usually needs two working parents.
Falling for the two-income trap in 2017

>So first I'd like to ask do you think mothers should have maternity leave? Paid by the state or government?
Yes. Breastfeeding is good for the children and a breastfed generation will be a better society than a one that is not.
Actually I would like to see parental leave for both genders, but maternity leave is more important.

And for how long? 4 months, 6 months or 1 year?
I'm actually not sure, I'd have to look at the studies to see when the benefits taper off. But based on your WHO reference, I guess one year.

>What about families who want to have a lot of kids, would it be fair to give them all that extra time + money?
We spend so much money bombing random brown people, surely we could spare some of that for the well-being of the next generation instead.

I wish I had that option. I completely cut ties with my crazy family a few years ago, so I'm financing my schooling all by by working 40 hours a week on top of attending a full four year university. Being a stay at home mom is out of the question for me.

>Fully paid by the employer

Passed onto the consumer in the form of inflation

>It doesn't take a 140 year old to realize empires collapsed around when women began voting
name 2

>I do have fun at work
we cant all suck dick for a living

That is a choice that you as an individual must make and weigh the risk involved.

My only point is there is nothing wrong with finding a man (a real, respectable one) and supporting him while he pursues his career goals.

People think being a stay at home mom is slavery or taking advantage of a man's labor.

As a man who takes care of his wife, and because i married a woman who respects me, supports me, listens to me, gives me advice, backs me up, encourages me ... it's totally worth supporting her financially.

The added benefit is a female who, because she is supported financially and secure in her relationship...is completely stress free and fulfilled.

...you wanna talk about some good sex?

The hate I get for saying I want to stay at home is unbelievable.

At least where I live, girls that want to take care of their family are bashed by especially females. Guys are often surprised by this.

My mother is an inspiration to me and I'm doing my best to live that life.

Did you and all your dorm room buddies come up with that one, slick?

Have fun with your mid-life alcoholism, but you'll always have that gem.

Mothers should stick at home the second they know they're pregnant, it's just a shame these days the feminists are trying to push it too far on themselves by screaming they need equality between men and women

This is where the kike comes in, he only sees those screamings as an opportunity to push that women should work between their pregnancy and not long after giving birth for that equality in order to get more money

i already told u my age. r u stupid user? i haven't drank a beer in 7 years

The average middle class family doesn't need two working parents. If they stop buying crap they don't need, they could live on a man's salary.

Who's going to pay?
If an employer is forced to pay, why would they ever hire a young woman?