I'm trying to find a discussion forum that has equal parts left and right thinkers with high quality discussion...
Is Sup Forums the closest thing I'll find to that? At times it seems like a white nationalist echo chamber but there's a lot of threads that go against that grain an posters lean left a lot of the time... so different views are available here.
Is there a more fair and balanced forum on the internet? Is the white nationalist thing a satire (as in Colbert the conservative)?
It's very balanced between the very correct and the almost very correct.
If you want to go "debate" the journalistic credibility of every source used and then here the same tired >but Republicans/Christians/etc have done worse! arguments, this isn't the place
Isaiah Gray
diverse? puhleez. its just a bunch of fascist bullies saging anything that isnt fascist enough for them. stay away. you wont learn anything, except contempt for humanity
Ian Miller
No such place exists because leftists abhor different opinions. They will censor ideas they don't like or flee the venue and make a new one if they can't.
Henry Clark
There's no place for communist opinions
Adolf Hitler was a good man
Gavin Collins
When you use logic and reason and empirical sources then might have an echo chamber but it will be echoing the right shit
Jackson Richardson
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Mason Jones
You will not get much high quality discussion from Leftist thinkers. Their ideas do not hold up well when challenged. The only way they get away with it is that Academia and the Media are echo-chambers.
Jose Johnson
Sup Forums hates /leftypol/ but it exists
Jaxson Green
left-libertarian checking in
Luke Campbell
It's an echochamber. There is some diversity in opinions on libertarian vs fascist leanings. But when it comes to opinions on current events, its a complete echo chamber.
there are a decent amount of reasonable people here. Though, If you want to spot the retards just insult richard spencer or say Sup Forums is not about white nationalism.
Dominic Stewart
>I'm trying to find a discussion forum that has equal parts left and right thinkers with high quality discussion... Doesn't exist
>Is Sup Forums the closest thing I'll find to that? Probably not
>At times it seems like a white nationalist echo chamber Ding ding ding
>but there's a lot of threads that go against that grain an posters lean left a lot of the time... so different views are available here. A combination of anonymity and misanthropy ensure that alternative viewpoints will pop up from time to time, but they generally don't have the weight needed to sway consensus
>Is there a more fair and balanced forum on the internet? Not that I know of
>Is the white nationalist thing a satire (as in Colbert the conservative)? For some, yes, for others, no.
>What other sites or boards are more balanced? Your brain
Gabriel Young
Just fuck off.
Colton Phillips
Then logic dictates that it would be very easy to QUOTE some examples of how /pol has allegedly not been an echo chamber and then provide counter arguments with at least one empirical sourced link each then. Just three examples will do. I await...
Jason Rivera
/pol is not about white nationalism it is about race realism. It just so happens that whites are not the same as abbos or niggity negros or Mexicans that can't figure out how plumbing works
Alexander Cook
A forum primarily having one point of view does not make it an echo chamber, the thing that makes a place an echo chamber is if different views are ALLOWED. On reddit mods delete posts of different views or people can downvote them so no one can see them, thus it is an echo chamber. On Sup Forums anyone can say anything and all opinions get the same amount of views and air time, thus it is not an echo chamber.
Jackson Peterson
We had left and right thinkers but the right won in the war of ideas. Socialism is a disproved ideology, that's just a fact. Niggers are a terrible cancer, that's just a fact. You can try to argue socialism or the merit of niggers, but you're not going to get very far with people as informed as us.
Jose Murphy
Sup Forums is a balance of actual retards and white supremacists who might only be retarded about some things
Charles Baker
that's how free speech works, snowflake
Ethan Harris
Pol is a cuckservative safespace, hug box, and an echo chamber for self-hating minorities and unwanted sperg losers.
Matthew Gonzalez
echo-chamber
Chase Sanchez
What isn't an echo chamber?
Asher Evans
Echo chamber
Anthony Thomas
If the left were actually reasonable this place would probably be 50/50 split. They aren't though.
Nathaniel Murphy
That was a profoundly retarded statement.
Leo Reed
>it is about race realism.
among other things, yes that was exactly my point. I get attacked by spencerfags who I assume are just dumb rednecks every time I make this point.
David Flores
We're diverse in thought. But our lefties cry like faggots when we give them shit. They're used to having a platform all for themselves.
Leo Davis
Sup Forums is a hurtbox. Whatever triggers Sup Forums the most is always bumped the most
Zachary Cook
I think this is the most reasonable argument I've seen thus far.
On plebbit, the mob and mods suppress unpopular thought. Here, all thoughts weather good or shit are published and can be bumped.
Libs with their shutdown tactics have no power here other than posting slide threads and cluttering up the board... which is transparent.
Jason Peterson
There's a ton of great thinkers on the left, just take Zizek for example Sup Forums is strawmanning hyper hard by taking the bottom of the barrel retarded scum and thinking they have an edge. Academia, despite being pretty hermetic, has a lot of intelligent and educated people that would wreck the average user's shit on history, philosophy or politics
Oliver Wright
Doesn't that mean it is the opposite of an echo chamber? Everyone is exposed to the things they disagree with the most.
Easton Murphy
It's an echochamber but instead of deleting like on Reddit you get assaulted with Sup Forums tier memes.
John Clark
Trolls rarely use good arguments tho
Elijah Stewart
We are diverse in thought, but we're also shilled constantly so we are quick to shut down bullshit like "communism general"
Jason Perez
Sort of both. It's an echo chamber already, since most newfags and normies barely venture off of Sup Forums, and we are universally the most hated board on the site. But unlike most media outlets, we have absolutely no real censorship. We can say whatever we want without getting our comments taken down, post anything from live war feeds to gay porn, and are shielded from the lash of the Left simply due to how fucking retarded they are in understanding this website.
So yes, most discussion on here is memes and shitposting, but when someone actually does say something of note, it actually resonates with people and, as the attention whores we are, inspire us to research more and more.
Lucas Rogers
Like leafs are any better.
Xavier Phillips
You mean the one thread that same Spanish guy makes, about once a week? Seriously, copy-pasted threads should be banned.
Aaron Powell
Shut up Hakeem
Landon Powell
As a leaf I have transcended the need for arguments. Our mere presence is enough to rustle all but the mightiest of jimmies.
Levi Barnes
You're a fucking leaf alright I'll give ya that.
Samuel Clark
>but when someone actually does say >something of note, it actually resonates with people and, as the attention whores we are, inspire us >to research more and more.
this is the most important part. The people who Post really good content here dont really care about political correctness and politicizing racism. In between these great posts we entertain ourselves with racist jokes but then some actual white nationalists see this and get too excited and ruin it.
leftists are ignored here and don't really ruin anything. they are just annoying and repeat liberal talking points that have already been refuted.
Easton Rogers
i mean i listen to the left but their arguments are like NOOOOOOO fuck you nazi piece of shit racist scum you fucking suck I will assasinate you you will die we know where you live. That's pretty much it. I have YET to hear a sound argument from left wing. I think bipartisans like me who support both sides find it hard right now to support what left is saying . They are not saying anything. But left does have it's merits historically speaking.
Brody Ramirez
I try to refrain from speaking in absolutes, but when in a forum such as this where ideas have had to be tempered by presented evidence (with no discussion being "off limits") some conclusions simply have to accepted as largely true. White societies have created great things and have had the highest functioning societies. White people are demographically being displaced. The variations come from what to do with those conclusions.
When you say "left" it can vary wildly from individuals. We reject leftist MYTHS and cancers like cultural Marxism, that everybody is the same, and that all discrepancies between groups is due to oppression. I'd wager most of us (minus a small minority raised in such beliefs) grew up believing in treating all people relatively justly and giving all a chance. Most people, especially white men, born around and a little before (or after) 2000 had no ideas of discrimination put in them as they were raised. We rather have observed severe problems taking root and almost nobody in the public square addressing them directly or with intellectual honesty. So most of us, I would speculate, became quite bitter when we saw the lies we've been told contradict reality. The years of discussion have narrowed down some facts about what is truly going on within society, which is where the term redpilled comes from I suppose. The variation in thought comes from what individuals think should be done with those conclusions.
If you want to hear cultural Marxist sophists have a fair hearing you won't find it here, because they (again I regret speaking in absolutes, but it is simply in the nature of the ideology) do not engage their ideas around argument or interrogation, but rather around emotional string pulling and abuse of logical fallacies such as correlation = causation and post hoc. I will repeat, there are some truths that have been established. The variation comes in where people conclude on what should be done to address them.
Easton Adams
Yo fuck you why you hating on my Leaf comrade? We socialists live the dream your left wished they have. HEHHEHE
Liam Martinez
To add to this, there are people who come to conclusions with what can be called "left" positions on things like a social safety net, abortion, drugs, etc. But the underlying lies within western society simply cannot be properly challenged when the evidence is brought to bear.
This is a good rundown on how we got to where we are. Much deeper elaboration on this board can be found, like how this has been pushed further and for what purpose.
Colton Thomas
And just like that more of you leafs come out of the woodwork. Christ's sake.
Adrian Walker
The phrase 'cultural marxism' is seriously retarded You're pretty much spot-on nonetheless
Hunter Fisher
there is a lot of echo, but the echos are all calling you a faggot. Take from that what you will.
Gabriel Cook
I agree. As a bipartisan moderate classic libertarian (a mouthful i know) I find some of my views lean left or right and some are more libertarian or authoritarian. For example my perspective on abortion I oppose it so I'm very far right but my perspective on welfare is I do not support it there needs to be a simpler system but health care and universal income I support so I'm far left in that sense. Etc. You cannot lump things into left and right. And to make matters even harder a country will have a lean for example America is right leaning so your left is more right than Canadian left because Canada is more left leaning so our left is farther away than yours.
David Edwards
No. Sup Forums's greatest strength is that it will allow you to directly access minority political opinions that would be banned or suppressed in normal conversation or public environments.
Zachary Brown
I guess it is, I just don't know a better term. It is, fundamentally (and unwittingly among useful idiots who are historically ignorant) applying Marxist theory to identity like race and gender rather then just class. We're all the same, differences in outcome are the result of exploitation or oppression
Aaron Evans
>Zizek >great thinker
Almost had me there. Zizek is an idiot who views everything in the entire world through red lense.
Leo Ramirez
Fuck you you just jealous we get free healthcare which is sweet as maple syrup. You just cannot admit the truth can you?! ADMIT IT NOW
Benjamin Rodriguez
It's our repressed nationalism. There's something about not being able to be too patriotic in public, mixed with the opportunity to shitpost freely, that really brings out our inner >LEAF
James Gutierrez
Stormfront tried to turn Sup Forums into their echochamber, and though it worked for awhile while Sup Forums was busy with meme magic, they ultimately failed.
We are still dealing with the repercussions. Shills and accusations of "ur a shill cuz u disagree with me" are still rampant. Also LARPers pretending to be the opposition or roleplaying as Nazis are harming the board too.
Charles Smith
The reason why Sup Forums is white nationalist is due to the darwinian survival of ideas on the board. It only could've happened if everyone was user and no one had anything to lose. It set the precedent for the strongest, most logical ideas to progress.
Michael Ramirez
I mean let's face it whatever culture Canada USED to have is dead now. In Toronto is all multiculturalism. There is no more national identity. Over here everyone is proud where they are from AND where they live because it lets them be proud of where they are from. Is fucked up I know. It works tho.
Jayden Brown
go to bed, you have school early tomorrow
Jackson Gomez
Diversity in thought is as bad as diversity in races. The latter is genetic pollution, the former memetic pollution. We have to be a unified meme front.
Landon Turner
We have tons of contrarians that will put all views through harsh scrutiny in a peer review process. As opposed to other sites that hide and delete unpopular views that do not coincide with their personal views.
Many of us were here to prove others wrong. But when we cannot with facts and logic, we have are forced to agree. The left will never admit they are wrong, they will simply ignore and change the subject.
Bentley Nguyen
That really is the problem with brand loyalty. People will follow each other off a cliff until none are credible any longer. >HEWILLNOTDIVIDEUS
Ryder Reyes
Read harry potter and reject the red pill. Red pill is to hard to swallow for you. Being cuck is not so bad you will get used to it.
Lincoln James
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Jackson Ramirez
Actual genetic diversity helps when mixing ethnicities and cultural diversity revitalizes culture. The problem is when you get pockets of ethnics and pockets of cultures that do not mix up. They need to be absorbed into the dominant culture not simply allowed to fester.
Angel Mitchell
It could also represent a demographics skew among Sup Forums users - although that's a statement firmly anchored in the realm of pure speculation.
Well, it does fall into the old ethos of Canada being a "cultural mosaic" I guess. The dangerous part of this experiment has always been that we could very easily tribalize into disparate enclaves. If human history is any indication, it's almost a guarantee.
Justin Long
This question always comes up and it is a shit question that only newfags even ask.
Sup Forums can't go a single thread without people disagreeing and calling one another some form of faggot. This doesn't happen often on the libshit echochamber boards. They just circlejerk into infinity.
Mason Ortiz
Makes sense, I'm sort of a libertarian conservative mix. When you come to your own conclusions, narrow boxes typically won't fit. I believe in small government that enforces rights, the law, and basic infrastructure, but I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of responsible social safety net either, adding a leftist element. It would be one that encourages free market participation or gives job training, making it a libertarian/conservative spin. However as a caveat to a social safety net I am highly opposed to heavy immigration, adding a generally "right" element.
The "right vs left" dichotomy really bothers me. It puts people into two narrow boxes determined by the powers that be. We need power to the people (not in the socialist sense) where we can have an open market of ideas and discuss these fine details, but that can't in view be achieved with the current progressive homogeny in culture and politics. The same could be said with a conservative homogeny, which is why there a libertarian basis to my thought, in that government and the cultural influence of the powers that be should be as a whole minimal
Jonathan Jenkins
It's all satire, we are actually all liberals doing a thought experiment about what we think right wing people are like. We don't actually have cattle pushers on our suv's in hopes of mowing down crowds of protesters. We don't actually own guns and stock up on ammo and call up price quotes for pallets of it.
If you want to talk with real Nazi's try /mlp/ or /hm/
Angel James
I live in Toronto. Doesn't work. Everyone hates everyone and we have literally every bad habit from the third world. The most difficult thing to find in this entire collection of cities is competence.
Robert Scott
Well I agree and disagree. We have to be united against the powers that be and globalism as a whole, despite our minute differences in opinion on policy. However, the idea that we would agree on everything is unrealistic and creating such a standard would be dangerous. The point is, in my view, we can never have those legitimate discussions under the current system, so that must be our primarily goal despite affiliation. Without that, those discussions can never take place, period.
This is sort of a case where "le diversity is our strength meme" is SORT of true. With a true hivemind we wouldn't have those debates and discussions which are so critical to fine tuning the best plans and policies, but again, uniting against the current threat trumps all of those minor disagreements at the moment
Joseph Watson
it's an echo chamber, don't kid yourself. This place likes to pride itself on critical thinking and rationality, while in reality its confirmation biases make it the parallel of left leaning communities like those you might find on reddit.
Christopher Bailey
Correct. Culture isn't a fabrication, it happens as a result of extended coexistence causing social norms as a means to reduce friction. To say a place does not have a culture is to say a place is not human.
Ethan Wright
It's more appropriate to say it's applying post-modernism and quite possibly some judaic/christian elements that somehow slipped in through media and art over the years. If you look at the old-school marxists, they didn't care about the individual too much, who was first and foremost defined by class struggle and economic power
He's a controversial motherfucker, and a great way to get replies in a thread. The way he uses marxist tools (as right-wing as one may be, they're far from stupid) as well as psychoanalysis to explain society and culture is nothing short of amazing. He's a commie for sure, but he's able to take a lot of liberties with the traditional line of thinking, that's what makes him interesting
Liam Brown
Same here Toronto. Im growing tired of it. Multiculturalism doesn't work. After 15 years of being an immigrant I can tell you integration is a sham. If you live in the matrix you will believe in it. Japan and monocultures have it well. They revitalize culture and ethnicity by having foreigners who love their culture come over marry and fit in their culture. That way they contribute to Japanese culture rather than stay the same and tribalize.
Ryder Morales
Compared to Kikebook, r****t, and all networks and publications, yes Sup Forums is diverse
But it's overwhelmingly a Nazi/pro-Russia (somehow) circlejerk and mostly bullshit. You won't get silenced though
Daniel Morales
Unpopular opinions generally get the most replies and thus they get the most attention. Also, anyone can post here and you won't be banned unless it's obvious that you're a spamming shill. Sup Forums isn't an echo chamber, it's just a massive circle-jerk.
Ryan Evans
That's because the definition of trolling changed from "deliberately spreading mis-information or points of view you disagree with in an entertaining manner, for the purposes of satire and/or humour" to "being am evil meany-head by daring to disagrer with someone"
It's like if the definition of fencing gradually changed from a finesse sport that can get you an Olympic medal to contests where two drunk hobos beat the shit out of each other with piss-coated hammers with the winner gets a 12-pack of shit beer like Natty Ice or the American Budweiser...
Jonathan Cruz
My contention is that too much mixing causes regression to the mean of IQ and fundamentally changes the values and impulses of the population that precedes. Therefore, to maintain a culture, a degree of racial homogeny is needed.
Some immigration is okay. A NA western country should be something like 75-80% white at least, and European nations should be closer to 90-95% native/white if possible.
Elijah Parker
This is the only place on the Internet where you'll see someone praising Marx right next to someone praising Hitler. We have extremes because, when the muzzle is taken off, we want to spew bile across as much as we can, out of frustration and sorrow. Those extremes are what's taken at face value as far as public opinion of us.
I'd like to think that most of us here are just normal, everyday people, sick of not being able to say anything in public and sick of having to hold themselves back, be it left or right, fascist or socialist. This is where we can let loose, laugh a bit, cry a bit, and grit our teeth at this world that we constantly see falling to decay, no matter what our definition of decay might be.
Sure, this place has always leaned a bit more to the libertarian side of things, but that's what happens in a place of conversation that's labeled as free.
Nolan Harris
You're right post modernism is actually a much more apt and less memey term. Jordan Peterson has spoken about it fantastically
Cameron Fisher
The way you worded your question is the Black & White fallacy. Leaving us with only 2 options doesn't really further discussion. I believe it's diverse in some thought. Most shitty ideas that come here are shut down and destroyed quickly which I think is good. Also people here do value truth more than other places on the web.
Oliver Murphy
echo chamber. i let this place brainwash me for years. i've been here like 10 years. i was full Sup Forums mode but now my perspective is changing again and i realize Sup Forums has brought me nothing but pain and a fucked up mindset.
Oliver Gomez
Unlike anywhere on the net, controversial thoughts constantly get bumped here with no downvoting, likes or shadow banning. We have people of every kind here. There's every type of thought and philosophy represented here. There's no political correctness, group-think or censorship here. I'd say this is the most based place on the internet.
The white nationalist thing is partly for lulz and partly a reaction to how much we all hate leftists.
Thomas Gutierrez
Sup Forums has brought me nothing but pain.
Brayden White
go fuck yourself you fucking faggot
hows that for diversity of thought
Liam Sanchez
>high quality discussion kek
Jose Butler
I like Sup Forums because it balances out the extreme leftism I'm bombarded with day to day.
Bentley Edwards
Or majority homegrown at least. Colour does not end up relevant for those who are born here, because they more easily adapt.
Kayden Cox
Memetic magic is not trolling though. Trolling is lying for shits and giggles. Memetic magic is digging up buried truths and bringing them back as memes . So this is not an echo chamber. The ideas come always from the outside.
Josiah Phillips
Well. I gotta start watching some fucking fencing.
To be fair I think old school trolling still exists, it's just much rarer now (and, by definition, more difficult to spot)
Nathan Sanders
Sup Forums strikes me as just being a collection of instigators more than anything else. I'd bet most people here just see right-wing politics as an effective avenue of trolling, regardless of how they actually feel about a particular subject.
Considering that whenever we actually see a Sup Forumslack in person, it's almost never what's expected, I think I'm on the right track.
Luke Torres
I should specify, that this is my experience in Canada. I have no first-hand view of the US apart from crazed cucks rioting against the values they claim to be protecting.
Cameron Stewart
Well all the trolling and CTR/Lefty shilling means it is not an echo-chamber. Whether Sup Forums wants to ponder Leftists positions or not it has to anyway because Leftists like to shill here and are accidentally reading their posts (to spot the shilling). So the ideas are being exposed to us.
Colton Hall
Sup Forums is moving closer to real life. and vise-versa.
“Overall, across all 10 of the European countries an average of 55 percent agreed that all further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped, 25 percent neither agreed nor disagreed and 20 percent disagreed,” the think tank said, adding that in no country “did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32 percent.”
Aaron Brooks
I dislike that term as well but replace "proletariat" with "oppressed trans-women of colour" and "bourgeoisie" with "FUCKING WHITE MALES" and the parallel becomes more bold.
Eli Johnson
>flee the venue and make a new one if they can't.
more like actively work to take over said venue and then kill all dissenters
Gabriel Martinez
This. I started coming here a lot more mid-2016 because I was starting to lose my mind from my work/family/friends/media (basically everything) being vigilantly far left. Hearing that shit drives me insane.
Robert Gutierrez
>In between these great posts we entertain ourselves with racist jokes but then some actual white nationalists see this and get too excited and ruin it. You're a fucking idiot. >XDD MUH SATIRE