Men should be earning $70k+ so that their wife can stay home

The Berkley riots are what happens when mothers do not raise their children.

Other urls found in this thread:

thefutureprimaeval.net/seizing-the-means-of-home-production/
youtube.com/watch?v=WEoGRHfiplU
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

I'd agree with this. In order to make this a reality stay at home parenting should be encouraged and be more accepted as a lifestyle and unions need to be stronger. In the 50s they knew that having everyone working would be a bad thing and make it more difficult to support a family on a single income.

I don't believe that unions made it possible.

What I do see is 3 things:
-government wasting lots of money...at least 2/3 of what it takes in
-keeping up with the Jone's
-gov't regulation making everything more expensive

You need to earn at least $150,000 here if you want your wife to stay at home, and still be able to compete in the housing market anywhere

Stay at home is still possible, but people want to much stuff. Way back when, people didn't have cell phones for everyone, or even tvs/cable/internet. People didn't eat out nearly as often either.

That's IF you want to work a white collar job, yes?

OFC it's possible, but earning less than 40k/yr USD is hard to support a wife and 3 children.

That which I'm saying is that if you don't want your wife to work, then get a great job.

>Berkley
American education.

It's actually getting more viable as things get worse. Especially if we factor in the ease and low cost of online resources to bolster homeschooling:

thefutureprimaeval.net/seizing-the-means-of-home-production/

It's not any of that.

Cost of living was based on there being 1 provider in the family. Since women entered the workforce cost of living is now based on 2 providers.

The problem is that housing, food, gas, electricity, water, insurance, medical......its all based on 2 people working full-time, not 1.

TLDR: Women ruin everything.

> average woman
> teaching

Homeschooling is fine for the 5% of females smart enough to do it.

>Cost of living
Which is what I'm saying- that the CoL has increased, and artificially so.

That's what the online resources are for. And I think that the average (white) woman can handle everything up to highschool with a little help, yes.

>kid me
>dad works in a union steel mill job
>makes $80k a year
>mom stays at home with me
>as I get older she does part time work in schools because she likes teaching kids
>this works

fast forward to post 2008

>steel mill work is drying up
>dad can't get steady union work
>quits union
>joins a non-union shop
>makes under $40k
>shittier health insurance, no union benefits
>mom retires
>but still has to work some hours as a teacher's aid in schools

thanks obama

Your dad was either overpaid at the first job, or demoted at the second...or both.

You don't fully understand why blue rust belt states flipped red this election, leaf.

Men need to start being leaders again and stop worshipping pussy, womens suffrage was the dumbest thing ever.

women don't do anything special that deserves to cost the family 30k+ in her salary lost, because she stayed home.

shit especially little tiny babies, you can pay some nanny to change diapers for a couple hundred a month. no reason to lose your wife's salary over that. There's plenty of time to redpill your kids after work.

Women should all stay home so jobs will pay $70,000+ or its equivalent.

Mothers should work Perdiem if they are going to work. That means maybe once a week.
My wife is a nurse and that will work out well once we have kids. One day a week wouldn't be very taxing, the kids can spend the day with me, and my wife would be happy to keep her career.

Things are expensive, but if you buy less, shop around, avoid huge money pits (expensive houses/areas with high taxes), and take care of your things then it's somewhat possible for the wife to stay at home. Also look to move in an area with good public schools. You don't want to be forking out $4,000+ per kid every year for private school.

I think it's very important when the kids are young to be with their mother, and not in a daycare or with a baby sitter. It's the most important time in their lives essentially.

"Good" jobs for the man are hard to come by. I went to school for a electrical engineering, and can't find a job in my line of work 2 years later in my area. It's very frustrating. Hopfully President Trump keeps his promises and makes improvements to the current job market.

The reason that they flipped red did not only occur during Obama's presidency- he simply stepped on you when it was down.

The US should not introduce protectionist policies that prevent the workforce from adapting.

Exactly...and from all the brown 'people' that women WELCOME, it should be obvious that women want real men.

And when women marched for equal rights, there is no reason that men did not inform them that had a home ONLY because of their husband.

Does not matter how much. Children NEED a parent. Otherwise they have no respect for authority.

>can't find a job in my line of work 2 years later in my area
>electrical engineer

Perhaps you are living in the wrong place?

alot of it went like this

guys would work high paying mill jobs for 40 years and retire on a fat pension.

since the decline of the industry a lot of guys got fired or laid off for a long period of time

there's been a bit of recovery since 2009 where mills are hiring guys again

but this time they hire in for significantly less hourly wages, shittier insurance plans, work not stable like it used to be, less job security, and cut pensions. some of these places are union, some are not, it all depends on what's in the contract.

so you either swallow your pride and work for much less than before or pick up 20 hours of work a week serving tables or stocking a warehouse or go on govt gibs.

>you can pay some nanny to change diapers for a couple hundred a month

you're either an idiot or underaged

You're saying that there is a surplus of workers...in any free economy, such a sudden surplus of skilled workers would not exist- economies change slowly.

Thus while there is a problem, the problem is artificial...and I hardly believe that, over time, people cannot learn similarly high paid jobs...the issue is when changes are fast (gov't intervention).

lol what faggot earns less than $70k

wipe the leaves from your eyes

its an industry that can employ tens of thousands in one area, then one day a couple thousand get the axe. sudden surplus. so then you have a bunch of under-employed middle aged men who have families to take care of. where do they get the money to take on classes/training for similarly high paying jobs? most can't. or they're already past their prime in age and can't work up to having a high level of experience in something new.

come travel around the rust belt leaf. you will hear the same types of stories over and over from the working middle class.

Shoulds have neever cancled "Leave it to Beaver"!

all riots started when Beaver went to college SAD!

>its an industry that can employ tens of thousands in one area, then one day a couple thousand get the axe
Savings.

As for those continually unemployed after 15+ yrs of service...would not happen in an organic work market. As an industry dies, the youngest and least-experienced are the ones who lose jobs- not the older.

When a president makes a single decision that affects 300,000,000 people, it's only natural large changes to occur...but no one should be making the choice for 300,000,000 people.

The presidency has the ability to impose tariffs...but the presidency also has the ability to increase the operating costs of mills (increased cost of gas (government owned land not being drilled), increased cost of oar (environmental regulations) and increased price of operations (cost of lobbyists)). So while the gov't could help the steel industry with tariffs, the same gov't has the power to ruin you with their pen...perhaps tariffs are not the best long term solution...

The faggot that lost his nice paying job because his company needed to make diversity quotas and now works a soul crushing retail job like Walgreens to survive, while Tyrone sits at his old desk and tanks all of his accounts, yet remains unfirable.

The faggot who lost his business because a new megastore like Walmart opened up down the road, killing his livelihood with competitive prices that no mom and pop shop could ever hope to beat.

The faggot that was passed over because Courtney fucked the hiring manager and promised him more in exchange for the job.

The faggot who's wife divorced him after being subjected to so much social media brainwashing, and he's simply lost all will to put effort into his life. Why bother? The ex is just going to take even more money while she makes up lies to get his own children to hate him.

The faggot that gets kicked and beaten down by everyday life so much and so often that he's long since lost the will to put forward any effort.

The faggot that couldn't get financial assistance for extended education despite being dirt poor all because he's White, yet Jose can waltz right onto campus and get a full scholarship just for being brown and having shit english.

The faggot that got fired from his well paying job because someone overheard him make a sexist joke to his friend, and then went out of her way to get this stranger fired because it upset her vagina.

Those faggots, and many more.

>some women won't date a guy that doesn't earn above a minimum amount of money and has a specific job title that woman happens to respect
>those same women are in the workforce taking away those jobs from men
I know not all women are like this but the ones that are are fucking hypocrite cunts.

Sage for /r9k/shit.

I have been thinking about this and there are a number of essentially post-Keynesian policies I would introduce.

1) The government guarantees a job to evey unemployed citizen at a wage high enough to support a family of four/five. This would also cause wages to rise in the private sector as workers are no longer threatened by unemployment. This would be funded initially by the Fed, but in the long run by eliminating social costs associated with unemployment.

2. Make additional benefits available to stay at home mothers.

3. Teach Christian values and home economics in schools.

4. National home building programme combined with immigration restriction - to make housing more affordable.

I'm afraid we've embraced neoliberalism - the enemy of Christian conservativism. Unfortunately, this wouldn't be cheap.

Guaranteeing jobs never works- and even it if did, it would by dysgenic- dumb/weak people would breed as much as smart/strong. It's not that we should stop dumb/weak from having kids...we just should not help it.

2. Sure.
3. So long as schools are unionized, you don't want to give them extra power. You know that they will paint Jesus as a commie...and your child will think that you support this.

4. Housing is not expensive so long as you don't demand to live in a crowded area...aka Britain.

Nigga 1) is just more socialism, which will end in more communism. You can get most of the same results by removing bullshit restrictions and regulations, and stopping the government from funding those who push women into male careers (marxist education system.) Maybe a bit of protectionism for the whole country, but i'm not even sure. Agree with 2-4.

If we can stop the interference, we'll revert to how things normally are....at least until automation gets more common. Who knows then.

I can't relate, I was a terrible web dev making 75k out of school, increasing base pay 33% annually

Sucks to suck

>The Berkley riots are what happens when fathers do not raise their children.
Fixed

> union tradesman
>150k yearly for last 10yrs
> support 2 houses, buying each house
>2 loving qt females ×2 children each
> love life
>Love my job

>If we can stop the interference
This is the problem...Americans simultaneously want more regulation (protectionism) and less interference...they want their cake and to eat it too.


And they don't realize that government decisions ripple far- both in time and in industries. What's worse is that they can't connect the dots between decisions and effects.

>2 loving qt females
>2
????

You guys have drank the free market Kool Aid and there's not much I can say that will convince you.

I'd recommend reading people like Steve Keen, Jim Stanford, and Bill Mitchell.

Communism: not even once.

The vast majority of humans to exist or to have ever existed, it turns out.

Just kinda happened, it's been 5 years now

Also, saying that I 'damand' to live in the country of my birth, where my ancestors lived, and where my family lives, seems to me to be a little Freudian slip. Free market economics undermines patriotism, community cohesion and family ties. Commies stamped out family ties with an iron fist, free marketeers make sure nobody even cares about their family because they're too busy working and consuming. See Brave New World.

Do they know of each other?
Do you realise you're taking away a woman from another potential male?

I know the implications...but what are you going to do...continue multiplying until you are like sardines?...gotta move some time.

Patriotism is respect for your culture...culture is not tied to X place. So neither should you.

>Do you realise you're taking away a woman from another potential male?
Fuck off cuck. A real male does not worry about another man having 2 females.

>A real male does not worry about another man having 2 females
You're a retard. There are limited numbers of available women in this world.

We're not multiplying like sardines, we're importing a net 330,000 people a year.

Patriotism: "vigorous support for one's country."

You're just revealing yourself to be a liberal internationalist. Which is fine, I just completely disagree. For me, family, community and nation will come before "market efficiently" and "GDP".

Couldn't agree more OP.

But, the real fucking problem here, is when you have public school teachers encouraging stopping free speech "by any means necessary." Blows my fucking mind. Yvette Falarca is more to blame for this riot than any other single person.

youtube.com/watch?v=WEoGRHfiplU

>I don't want to work as hard as my dad or grandfathers, but I still feel like I'm entitled to earn as much as them so my wife can do all the boring shit with the house and the kids

If you want more money, then just work harder and smarter. Don't just demand gibs.

>For me, family, community and nation will come before "market efficiently" and "GDP".
I agree that these are important...but not that X policy should be applied to entire nation.

>public school teachers encouraging stopping free speech "by any means necessary.
I'm equally flabbergasted...desu I think this is not worse only because of higher % of males in Universities.

Reminds me of Sowell...that the problem is not that students can't think, but that they confuse thinking with feeling.

I don't think that it's as bad as it's going to get....do you?

It will get much worse before it can get any better it seems to me, unfortunately. The Yvette's of the world will push forward with their agenda until they get their way or throw a rock a little too hard and really piss some people off enough to act.

Being that most student loan debt is held by the US government, I think that all that Trump has to do is stop the plan that would have student loan forgiven over a period of years...but this may not be politically possible/wise for Trump.

And I agree, things will get worse. Sad how bad they are already though- for decades, the humanities have been poisoning class rooms- literally propaganda.

tfw 70k starting
Yee boi

thats bullshit
everyone should work. in china you work hard make lots of money who cares what your sex is

>tfw 27 and never had a job

Kek'd and checked. Don't worry user Trump will be bringing back jobs pretty soon.

I earn 120k my girlfriend earns 85k, mine has been increasing at least 10k a year for the past few years, hers at about 5k on average. We could easily live off my wage, but an 85k a year hit would hurt pretty hard for the life we live my income would cover the basics and some fun. Her extra money helps us save / invest and allows us to travel.

A year or two off work would cover her but I want to retire at 45-50 currently 30 so I'd prefer us both to do part time say 3 days for her 4 for me 2 days daycare or an au pair.

Assuming she does not rape you in divorce.

Sorry leaf no black bull to take her away from me. And an emu killed her dad so no cucking there...

>The Berkley riots are what happens when mothers do not raise their children.
Bullshit. The Berkley riots are what happens when children are raised by indoctrinated leftist man hating single moms.

When are we kicking all women out of jobs to fix the surplus of workers?

Fixing the jobs to worker ratio would raise wages too, right?

All women should be stay at home mothers, why the fuck does the world need x2 the amount of workers for a household.

Women being allowed in the work place was the final nail in the coffin of the nuclear family.

Unions have negative impact on working good prices and are just money draining machines

I'm working on it

Thing is that Union's don't have much power unless they have government favors...especially the government requiring all workers to be unionized...what a joke.

They want real men with money, those black guys can't satisfy them forever once they hit the wall. Of course the want feminism to bail them out when no sane man wants to settle down with used goods.

As was the plan of Marxist feminists.

Feminists are pretty much angry dykes mad that no man will love them enough to raise a family with them, so they decided to fuck over every other woman.

"Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession... Being a family-maker is a choice that shouldn't be."

>you can pay some nanny to change diapers for a couple hundred a month
*couple hundred a week
Childcare can cost as much as a mortgage every month

Just wait for the future- women will recieve more benefits than men b/c 'muh 70 cents.' And this will lead to men shacking up with them (poorer men and richer women).

>it's an entitled American expects amazing high paying jobs to be available to his unskilled as for all eternity

Typical Californian

Exactly. Fucking luddites.

Assuming this guy earned 80k a year and was too retarded to save to last him would years? Night classes. Technical colleges. Or suck it up and get a lower paying job. It's what happens when you have no skills. The only reason he was payed so high in the first place for a job that anyone could do was the union.

It's none of your fucking business what women do. Why is it you fucking control freak men cannot keep your fucking noses out of our business?

Actually, Berkley is what happens when fathers aren't involved in their childrens lives. They grow up without discipline or a proper moral compass.

>making imaginary shit up to excuse everything but yourself

It's our business so long as women vote disproportionally to the taxes they pay.

Women being paid 70% means that their vote should be less than 70%...probably closer to 40% when you consider the lower tax bracket.

Another worthless leafpost. Women are paid less than men because of sexism. That only highlights the importance of women being able to vote.

I could take your "logic" even further and say that the only votes should matter are those of rich people, and the poor shouldn't be able to vote at all since they pay such little tax compared to the average billionaire.

One of the good thing in France is that beinf married and having children is encouraged by the very attractive tax policies for families, especially if the man earn way more money than the woman. Also the fact that we have very low working hours (35 hours per week legally) and that it's normal for a woman to work 4/5 (28 hours per week)

Most taxes come from those earning 60-85k. Thus, it's their voice that would be strongest.

Women...voting (not working) for equal pay...sure thing Marx.

Most people cannot understand basic calculus (derivative, trigonometry) let alone teach it. I don't think homeschooling in highschool is a good idea.

Good man. Dedicate more time to your career. We definitely need more bored housewives. They are easy pickings for dickings. Then they divorce their husbands, get money every month, and have life on easy mode.

Schools also do a terrible job- calculus could be taught at age 12.

Once the unions are out, American children will graduate college by 18.

Women are happy when they are housewives- not when they are working. Thus, while housewives may cheat, they are less likely to do so.

Also, go on Twitter and look at who's spewing most of the feminist garbage on there all day, every day. Hint: bored housewives.

See

>calculus could be taught at age 12.
I don't think teaching derivatives at 12 is a good idea. Middle schooloers can't understand shit. The thing is, good students should be able to get a reinforced scientific education in highschool (it used to be like that in France but now the "hard" way is flooded with mediocre students and the government lowered the standards)

Government should not be involved in schools. Not only do they mix smart and retarded, they also push propaganda.

Can you explain that train of logic? Willing to bet the majority of those students came from nuclear families.

Women need to stay at home with their children for at least 4 years. Preferably 6.

I wenr to a private school and it was full of retards too. I think mass education can only be achieved by the government, but the government had to be smart about it.

It's not that government is not smart...it's that their goal is different than the one you/me find ideal.

So billionaires should get most of the votes

Because...?

You....fail at math.....makes me sad actually.