Can someone red pill me on farming ?
Why are so many African countries (apparently) dependant on white farmers ? Why can't their locals do the same job ? Or can they ? (and are they just not as good at it ? )
Is it (once again) a simple question of IQ ?
(do you really have to have more than a 2 digit IQ to do this job ? )...
Or is IQ irrelevant ? Is it a question of determination ? patience ? character ? (something else , not necessarily related to IQ )
What is the answer ?
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>Is it (once again) a simple question of IQ ?
Yes, totally.
Isn't it obvious?
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Kinda but i wasn't sure...I thought it was a cultural thing...(but then again culture is what it is...because of IQ)
The competent above average intelligence blacks have long since fled Zimbabwe. So they only had stupid blacks to distribute the land to and stupid is as stupid does.
Africans don't descend from anybody that has ever invented agriculture. it's like asking a wolf to to be a dog. Dogs may have come from wolves (whites may have come from africa) but wolves most certainly are not dogs (africans are most certainly not whites)
And this stark difference in the evo history of whites and blacks shows strongly in their mental abilities and abilities to farm. One of the most relevant factors is their lack of delayed gratification, which affects blacks in many domains of life, but which makes sense when their primary evolutionary environment was an abundant land of hunting, gathering, and warmth.
>Africans don't descend from anybody that has ever invented agriculture. it's like asking a wolf to to be a dog.
But you can still teach them right ? I'm sure African farmers exist. Just like African american farmers also exist in the US.
So it would seem that "on average" , they end up failing because of their mentality then ?
Farming is easy as fuck, how can these nigs not do it?
Farming is incredibly difficult.
Part of it is countries outside of africa sending food and aid which drives down the price farmers get for their food and in south africa white people who actually do farming are killed by roaming black gangs.
Mostly its just their low IQ though. Even the chinese people who are settling in africa now just cant grasp how stupid black people really are.
>Farming is incredibly difficult.
What's so difficult about it ? (too many things to take care of ? )...
That's what i was also wondering...Asian Farmers who move to Africa seem are apparently also better than native African farmers.
it's just about IQ. they're too dumb to do crop rotation, they're too dumb to service machines, they're too dumb to invest in fertilizer. hell, they're even too dumb to drive a tractor in a straight line.
Africans have been infantilized by a culture of welfare and support from foreign donors. They've made them completely incapable of autonomy, this is a tactic by globalists to ensure they will always have a reason to be there and in turn have access to their natural resources.
The Chinese are immoral and cruel but they're smart. I can't imagine what they think of these people.
>Africans don't descend from anybody that has ever invented agriculture.
Maybe they are the missing link.
>But you can still teach them right ?
Begs the question, does it not?
>Just like African american farmers also exist in the US.
And most of them suck. I know this as a fact as I live in the country in the south and see their farm land wrapped up in weeds EVERY FUCKING YEAR.
>Africans have been infantilized by a culture of welfare and support from foreign donors
That also could be another reason for sure...
But it seems like they generally have this mentality. Look at America or Western Europe. Look who they always vote for.
In the US here's a lot of science that goes into maximizing yields and quality. Going through seed and equipment brochures isn't actually a brain dead task.
These niggers aren't on that level. They just haven't figured out how to slam a potato into the ground and leave it for 5 months.
Farming is hard, you can do everything well and still get your harvest wasted by weather or plagues. You need intelligence, experience and a bit of luck. Urbanites seem to think its just seed growing, bit of course its not.
>. I know this as a fact as I live in the country in the south and see their farm land wrapped up in weeds EVERY FUCKING YEAR.
Kinda ironic when you think about it , considering they used to work on the field (during slavery) , one would think they'd at least learn something useful in the farming business after several generations
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> Take a huge loan
> Pay for 500 farm hands for decades to create a successful farm
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>a lot of science that goes into maximizing yields and quality. Going through seed and equipment brochures isn't actually a brain dead task.
Oh...No wonder then...
Same reason there aren't any Silicon Valleys in Africa.
Same reason they don't have a Nasa in Africa.
You need intellect, an IQ over 65 and knowledge to do those jobs.
Holy shit !
a lot has to do with impulse control and deferred gratification.
most farming involves putting some kind of food back into the ground which they can't grasp,
understanding that for every seed, bulb, row, plant acre there is as min of 0 and a max amount that can be expected. they can't seem to wrap their brain around that.
and they don't seem to get that the zero to max expected harvest has some factors involved such as work.... that isn't immediately gratifying.
along with intelligence Africans are lacking in those 2 areas.
blah blah blah blah blah WE WUZ FARMERS N SHIET BUM BUM BUM DA BUM BUM BUM
Serious note tho, I recently wrote a screenplay about shipping every single black person in gigantic pyramids to another planet called NIDIN or DINDU, couldnt decide. I dreamt all of this up one night and wrote it all down, want me to give some more details? we wuz essentially kings n shieeet
Maybe i've been severally underestimating farming all along. Even though Farmers are basically the backbone of any country. But it's not like we're talking about nuclear physics here...And yet , the amount of work in farming seems to be colossal.
We have to differentiate small and large scale farming.
You see, a single man can grow enough food to feed 2-3 people on his own. Thus a family can comfortably supports itself with farming a small plot. They can even make a surplus to sell or barter for other goods.
Large scale farming requires large plots of land, irrigation, fertilization, pesticide control and machines, lots and lots of machines.
Also, infrastructure to supply the farm and a market to sustain the operation.
The small scale farms are something blacks can maintain. Not very good as it appears but good enough to live of it. However the produced food will never compete price-wise with the one produced by large scale farming.
The large scale farming however is totally out of their capabilities. The said farming can produce enough food to comfortably sustain a nation emply as little as 5-10 % of the total population and enable large masses of people to develop themselves in other areas.
It's chill. Nowadays you can buy an insurance for your crops. If they fail, you still get some money and you will be able to buy food in the supermarket, which was imported from somewhere else.
Farming is easy, its the labor part thats hard. Blacks in general are lazy. They prefer to have things the easy way, make money the easy way. They also spend it on frivolous stuff.
> No food in the fridge
> But they need their weaves and new kicks
you can teach them
they do pick up these skills by observing, passed through generations and (in the past) as slaves
however, probability of things happening is different
remember 1 person =/= civilization
you need at least a 51% competent population to get anywhere
>The small scale farms are something blacks can maintain. Not very good as it appears but good enough to live of it. However the produced food will never compete price-wise with the one produced by large scale farming.
>The large scale farming however is totally out of their capabilities.
But why ? just because of the amount of work ? + IQ ?
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And i guess this explains that...
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I think they even play the system when it comes to farming.
>get insurance
>plant seed
>let it go to shit, weeds and pest, because you're too lazy to farm properly
>claim loss at end of year
>playing the system
Blacks in sub saharan africa have never crop farmed they have always reared cattle and when it comes to a nation of millions just rearing cattle is not enough to feed everyone.
That being said most modern day blacks do not have any idea on how to rear animals because like the Chav in England who is comfortable with government welfare all their life they became comfortable getting had outs by the white man.
The answer is governments should be giving incentives for young black men to go to agricultural school instead of highschool.
You dont need to be a genius to learn how to farm but you cannot be ignorant.
Niggers suck at farming. Look up the potato famine.
Everyone here should watch "Empire of dust" if you haven't already. Nigs gonna nog
ive read somewhere (probably on pol, could not find a source) of a humanitarian aid that went to africa and gave a local village farming equipment, seeds, and spent a year or so teaching them to farm. they came back a few years later to check on the village to see how it was doing. the africans sold all the equipment and ate all the seeds and were begging for more help.
africans are notorious for not thinking ahead and focusing on instant gratification, they rarely invest in themselves or see the larger picture living day by day instead
Well, we can just wave it off as an IQ and probably not be very far away...
But to be honest, try to put yourself on their place. It is one thing to tend a patch of land by hand, harvest the crops and sell the surplus for basic tools and clothing. Now imagine having to manage a large scale operations of an agricultural factory.
The concept of time. Some people don't have it. Can't find correlation between their actions and the reactions of environment. Africa is like the Garden of Eden, in a sense that you can walk around naked, it's warm, trees give you fruits, you don't have to build durable houses etc. You can live here and now, never worrying about the future. But when this kind of culture is forced to live in a world rebuild by Western civilization, worrying about jobs, money, etc., it collapses.
>africans are notorious for not thinking ahead and focusing on instant gratification
It's a cultural thing (therefore , biological) since cultural is the result of intelligence).
The African brain seems to be good at improvising though. Jazz is a perfect example of this.
Its not about iq, its just that they're shitty fucking people.
Look at the rodesia/Zimbabwe history and transition. Mugabe was little more than a warlord going around exploiting the conflict to rape and pillage.
Somehow this chucklefuck and his lackeys get in to power, and continue to fuck shit up to the point where anyone with a semblence of competence and not being a piece of shit either is killed or leaves.
Imagine your pub crawling soccer hooligans somehow became the leading power in france, op. Thats what happened to rodesia.
Or the gipsies.
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I don't think it's that blacks can't farm, it's more that they're societies are too unstable for them to have much interest in making a change. If you're always stealing each others shit and law and order is shit and the courts are shit and the government will fuck you over if it doesn't like you, you might not get much reward for actually buying a farm and working it well. The poor farming is a symptom of a generally failed society.
Also western aid which is more concerned with self-satisfied charity and very short term or unreasonably high-minded goals instead of actually helping Africa to develop, step by painstaking step.
Industrial farming is hard because you cant fuck up the ratios of fertilizer and pesticide, and you have to be careful with land managment (you should at least), and then you have to deal with dicks like Monsanto and the big wholesalers.
Organic farming is harder than that because you have to manage pests, soil fertility, and crop health without the use of (most) conveinent pesticides/fertilizers, extreme land managment practices, and instead of Monsanto and the like you have to deal with local people and shops to get your produce sold. Industrial farming can be done part time, but it requires knowledge and capital. Organic is pretty much full time and it requires knowledge, skill, patience, and salesmanship. You think the blokes in Africa have any of these?
>The concept of time. Some people don't have it. Can't find correlation between their actions and the reactions of environment.
It's interesting how some people (regardless of their race) seem to think this way...I've noticed that many liberals , socialists seem to be totally oblivious to the side effects , the potential repercutions of the decisions they're taking in the present...vs the ramifications these decisions will have in the future. (such as the unlimited importation of 3rd world invadors)...It's like , they're not thinking ahead.
Again , is it a question of intelligence ? can it be changed ? (maybe it's the brainwashing that is blinding them from thinking logically instead of thinking with their emotions)
that can't possibly be true. koko only knows 2000 words and can only construct sentences of up to 6 words? and she potentially has an IQ of 90? this bitch is a gorilla shill
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>Organic farming is harder than that because you have to manage pests, soil fertility, and crop health without the use of (most) conveinent pesticides/fertilizers, extreme land managment practices, and instead of Monsanto and the like you have to deal with local people and shops to get your produce sold. Industrial farming can be done part time, but it requires knowledge and capital. Organic is pretty much full time and it requires knowledge, skill, patience, and salesmanship.
In other words, determination , intelligence ,...and like you said patience (a lot of it) , skill...Yeah , no wonder.
Zimbabwe's average IQ is 82, which means half the population are literally retards, only a tiny minority of them would be smart enough to learn farming techniques and have the planning ahead abilities to utilize this knowledge
This. Imagine for just one small second how blacks would fare alone up here in the cold North when they manage to starve in fucking Africa.
>(maybe it's the brainwashing that is blinding them from thinking logically instead of thinking with their emotions)
Oops , i meant the opposite. These people are thinking with their emotions , but because they're brainwashed , they can't seem to think logically.
and we arrive at the true white man's mistake...
spreading democracy prematurely when a monarchy was the only way
They're fucking retarded and probably don't do shit like crop rotation. Or take care of the land.
In warm countries close to where humanity evolved, planning and hording for the the winter simply has never been necessary. Farming takes future sight, it takes planing a year in advance, something that simply has never been necessary in countries where their are fruit trees producing year round.
In many places around Africa the people are still living like they did when they first started to walk erect.
>Why are so many African countries (apparently) dependant on white farmers ?
Because white farmers have generations worth of experience when it comes to working and manipulating the land to suit the needs of mankind.
>Why can't their locals do the same job ?
Because their locals don't have any experience.
Those that do can't even come close to holding a candle to a white farmer who comes from a long line of farmers plus any education.
>Or can they ? (and are they just not as good at it ? )
They possibly can, just not with the same success.
>.Is it (once again) a simple question of IQ ?
The most simple form of farming doesn't require high intellect.
Ancient ass Native Americans used selective-breeding until we got the modern day corn. Thus making their Maize cobs damn near 40 times the size and 40 times the amount.
>crop rotation
Maybe a way to fix this problem would be to only allow land owners to vote. (or people with a minimum 3 digit IQ). But i agree democracy isn't working very well.
I can tell you from Indian perspective-
most people here take no pride in their work and do shit tier work. Whites, as I note, do things with self-respect and try to do them well.
It's character more than IQ but when you try to do things well and put in effort, your mind gets into a zone too
yeah it's self explanatory. someone should make a video on customer service with a white person vs an indian or a white house cleaning service vs a mexican. so on and so forth.
that lack of respect and dignity most other races have in performing their jobs is disgusting.
yup, like the original usa constitution or similar traditional western laws
of course, that won't fly in current year™
Because they are literally retarded.
>Why are so many African countries (apparently) dependant on white farmers ?
Although painted as white vs black this is really just the typical land reform scenario that plays out frequently in economies where peasant farmers have been displaced by industrialized farming technique.
>Rhodesia is bread basket of Africa
>We independent now
>White farmers still own land, still have tractors, still do the finances of farming (debt management is a large part of farming and really where the failures are divided from the successes)
>Blacks are poor, want land to live on.
>Ok let's take the 4000 acre ranch and divide it up among 400 families at 10 acres each
>Land is no longer tended by an expert farmer with good machinery.
>Land is now tended by a bunch of illiterate poorfags with tools that the typical western gardener wouldn't even want
>Oh look, it doesn't generate enough food!
It's a matter of yield. In 2013 Iowa corn farmers set a record harvest of 203 bushels of corn per acre. From 1866 to 1936 national yields averaged about 26 bushels per acre.
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considering this is average IQ, i find it mindblowing that half of the population there is dumber than that. i mean how fucking dumb are the dumb ass motherfuckers in a nation with an average IQ of 59
Niggers can't farm
Fucking psychology, the invention of Freud did it. And then his nephew Edward Bernays, the father of modern PR used his ideas to controll people and sell them stuff manipulating people's emotions.
Do you how he got to sell women cigarettes? There was a taboo on women smoking in the 20s. He told them the cigarettes are 'torches of freedom'. Women thought they were emancipating themselves by smoking. Same thing happens now. Poor females think being a slut is all about their freedom when it really is about destroying family and traditional values.
Colonization was the biggest white man mistake
I don't know about other countries,but in France our colonial empire cost us more than it brought money
ill reply as someone from a long time farmer family and as someone who understands history and politics
farming used to be very different before, it was small scale, everyone was a farmer, and all had a few of everything,
now its more large scale, you need fancy equipment, large investment, quite a bit of knowledge and experience about it -
combines, tractors (not even counting all the extra machinery) which cost millions, it can be only done with a lot of land today which makes it extra expensive + you gotta buy fuel for the machinery which costs like hell + you cant work it all yourself like its 2 acres of land so you need to pay for workforce, you need to buy seeds, fertilizer and in the end there is chance that all will go to waste and all effort into nothing if the time conditions are not good,
not even mentioning all of the details and subtleties
why do you thing niggers can grasp all this?
niggers never really got out of 19th century mentality, they dont have any tradition of farming, they are stupid af, uneducated, they could be useful if theres an old white farmer dude running the things and them as cheap labour, but when in decolonialization niggers got to run everything it all just turned into a worthless chimpout, kinda like when communists got to rule the east and all turned to shit because monarcchists ran everything and they were totally incompetent
With an IQ of 55, they just aren't smart enough to figure out basic things like farming and the wheel.
Damselfish grow their own red algae.
Leaf-cutter ants cut down leaves and use them as a bed to grow species of fungus which that they.
They're smart enough to be capable of doing it, they just don't want to work too hard and don't bother learning.
Let the white mang do it.
>Do you how he got to sell women cigarettes? There was a taboo on women smoking in the 20s.
Yes , i remember watching a documentary about it several years ago , it was called "century of the self"..fascinating stuff.
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