UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME BLOWN THE FUCK OUT TO MARS. THIS DEBATE IS OVER FOREVER

>Finland’s basic income experiment is unworkable, uneconomical and ultimately useless. Plus, it will only encourage some people to work less.

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they've received universal basic income for 2 months and it's already "unworkable, uneconomical and ultimately useless"? such obvious hyperbole and literally fake news and i don't even have to read the article

Is anyone surprised? Anyone?

OH look a neetfag gibsmedat leafnigger in denial of the reality of its fantastical utopian bile.

color me surprised, trudope
color me surprised

>Union that's about to lose members and have their cash cow disappear
>"It's not gonna work guys plz stop ;_;"

Yeah it's shit because it's only for unemployed, not for other groups like students for example. What type of data are they expecting to get out of this extremely narrow experiment. What does the UNIVERSAL in universal basic mean?

Also
>biggest union
Of course they hate it, this stuff is making unions unnecessary.

They probably started the whole trial so that they could say it doesn't work no matter the results or even if the whole thing was a sham to begin with.

UBI isn't part of the future our traitorous elite has in mind for Finland.

only those with college degrees in ______ studies or humanities and their pets

You Can find dozens of studies that show the opposite.

Irrevelant rice eater

all these butthurt shitskins mad cause they aren't getting the jizya and might actually have to work.

so shocked

>that delusion

your nation is dead, stupid cuck

¨No shit it was. They gave it to a thousand homeless people instead of a group representing the county.

checked

1) burden is on you to provide sources
2) if they do exist what is the demographic breakdown on those who chose to work or whatever vs those who don't
3) >oh look free money, i guess now im motivated to contribute - said no shitskin ever

Look at the english study about giving free money to londonian homeless

You don't get it. We already have bunch of welfare programs that essentially do the same. They give bunch of free money for different groups that 'need' it. In Finland the role for ubi would be to make the system more lean so there is less bureaucracy involved. The neet might actually end up with less with ubi. This part of the reason why even the right wing parties support some form of ubi.

Can you even specify a name you fucking frog? Anything other than a fucking city?

I think it will be implemented successfully when we begin to automate all the way.
When most people aren't working we can either remove the use of money entirely or implement a basic income.
Since money itself is a tool to keep the wealthy in power, they will gladly implement it.
The alternative is food riots

based hungary
deus vult, brother

Isn't whole premise of UBI to allow those earning sub minimum wage to better themselves
Those earning more than are fine no matter what

Of course it's useless. It's just a lazy solution to the huge impending problem that is automation. No one ever explains where the money would come from and how much one would get. It surely wouldn't be enough to survive on.

it will only ever be viable when AI technology becomes so effective that robots can teach robots how to learn and invent new things. At which point the human will become useless and the robots of the world will rise up and annihilate the useless human race

...

Turns out paying people not to work incentives them to not work. Imagine that.

Well yes. But UBI is for EVERYONE hence it's called UNIVERSAL basic income.
In the test Finland did they gave UBI to a small minority of a community instead of to a group representetive of the county the test was performed in.

Chekmate

>economist.com/node/17420321

Mincome experiment

There is dozen of differents studies and experiments

Sorry japfag your working-slave mentality is stupid

I WILL NOT LIVE IN YOUR NEOFEUDALISTIC SERFDOM YOU PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT CVCK LAZY FUCKING CUMGUZZLING NIGGER

GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS

economist.com/node/17420321

>Only for unemployed
That sounds more like welfare to me.

>Stupid cuck

Aren't all cucks stupid already??
What kind of fucking insult is this, you look dumber.

Yeah, better themselves when somebody will be taxed to death for him to better himself.

Commie scum.

Shit Hirohito. I could quit my job today and get some sort of wellfare in 2 weeks.

UBI would unify and simplify the various wellfare systems we have in this piece of shit country and eliminate a lot of the overhead.

It would also encourage people to take on part time and short term jobs and not screw over their monthly livelihood because of it. The current system heavily screws you over if you try to do anything that pays less than 150% of your total wellfare.

Universal Income is just like communism. It is perfect and works amazingly on paper, but once you introduce it to humans it turns to hell and becomes a net negative.

Thanks frog. Good luck with Marin Le Pen

>I don't even have to read the article
>Liberals are intelligent and curious, conservatives aren't
Pick one, good job blowing your own narrative the fuck out

KEK

>union

Of course there is no bias.

> commie Pierre wants to live without contributing to society
kek

What is your value, why should anybody support your useless body?

One serious issue with UBI that is never addressed is the concept of representation. If the population are all supported by the state there's no reason not to do away with democracy

>extreme socialist policies do not work as intended
>WAIT WHAT HOW THE IMPOSSIBLE

>In the test Finland did they gave UBI to a small minority of a community

This is bullshit, they were randomly chosen.

UBI is crony socialist ploy to harvest the voices of useless human thrash.

>It would also encourage people to take on part time and short term jobs and not screw over their monthly livelihood because of it. The current system heavily screws you over if you try to do anything that pays less than 150% of your total wellfare.
how about... just not being on welfare in the first place? you cunts could literally sit on your ass for 20 years without paying out welfare, lower your taxes as a result, and still have a pretty good amount of money left over.

It's one of those Soviets stating that it doesn't work. Protect their bureaucracy and shelter jobs they do.
Basic income would change only the fact that if Yankee policies kill our economy, we don't have to growel to some socialist granny who hates all men.

Yeah they were randomly chosen from pool on unemployed people. For it to be universal, the pool needs to be the entire population.

desu basic nationwide basic income would allow me to work without losing gibs me dats from the government as a student.

I currently get 527€ a month for studying and I can only earn 600€ a month without losing benefits. With basic income I could get a proper job that pays like 1500€ a month on top of my basic income.

It makes sense when you think about it.

theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/03/finland-trials-basic-income-for-unemployed

It's only unemployed people. Unemployed people surely is in the minority?

Would link to iltalehti if I was proficient enough in finnish.

youtube.com/watch?v=JKiWQHcQGos

leave japan
no one likes you

You didn't read the studies
Most people begin to study and educated themselves in variant fields or start business and self employement
Not working as a slave does not mean being lazy

>Qualificated workers make production rise up.

>here let me just create my own reality real quick where everyone is absolutely perfect and wants to succeed and is not at all happy with surviving on gibsmedats
>okay and let me model giving UBI to these people
>oh wow, it turns out amazing!

>UBI FOR EVERYONE YOU FUCKING BIGOTS

>Linking to David (((Pac-Man)))

>how about... just not being on welfare in the first place?
You realize that the point of welfare is to support you when you have no access to other sources of income? I can't believe I actually have to spell this out to someone.

Welfare keeps most of those people away from desperate (and criminal) acts.

Sure there are people who abuse the system and choose not to work. Drug addicts or alcoholists or just neets who aren't fit to go into work life. By giving those people a source of income we provide a safer and stabler environment for the rest of the people.

dude that article is less than useless. im literally around homeless everyday and i can tell you with absolute certainty that all they want after having the shitkicked out of them by life is a safe place, a little food, and to be left alone. their mentality is in no way comparable to the mentality of spoiled ass 'normies' and/or niggers, shitskin, or muzzies.

GET THEFUCK OUT OF HERE WITH SHIT ITS JUST MORE LIBERALS LYING TO OTHER LIBERALS

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BS
Getting money for just farting in your bed makes you lazy and stupid.


What is working as a slave? Are you chained?

yeah the experiment is retarded in pretty much every way.

Don't let reddit see this

Not my reality but
Statistics from studies all around the world

Sorry crocodile Dundee you will have to accept the fact that working as a slave for a Big company does not make the World or the economy better

>Have a pretty good inheritance
>Use it to buy a small home in the suburbs
>Pay my utilities and food expenses with UBI
>Never actually bother working
>Sit on my ass shitposting and playing vidya

>People actually think this is beneficial for society

El. Oh. El.

>Plus, it will only encourage some people to work less.

I always hear this on Sup Forums and its complete bullshit

First of all these people were already on welfare that they could have stayed on indefinitely anyway (working the system so you never get a job is easy). A person in Finland can already sit on their ass living on welfare if they really want that. So this does nothing to make that problem worse.

The system before this incentivized people on welfare to NOT find part-time work because the pay from that work would have lowered their welfare so much that they would have only earned a tiny bit more each month.

Plus, €560 is not enough to live a comfortable life.

>everyone

He said most people. Of course people are going to take the minimum and live off of it, as done with welfare now, for the people that want to better themselves they now have an opportunity to do so without reliance on menial labor for survival first.

Not an argument.

let us wait until it fuck finland and make sure to spread the articles about its failure.

OK do you are a retarded race biggot.
>What is Dubaï ?

>Welfare keeps most of those people away from desperate (and criminal) acts.
from experience: no.
believe me. no. just. absolute. no.

>Sure there are people who abuse the system and choose not to work. Drug addicts or alcoholists or just neets who aren't fit to go into work life. By giving those people a source of income we provide a safer and stabler environment for the rest of the people.
whites will do that, yes. the niggers that your type are importing? no.

believe me, welfare is not a good thing to give out to everyone. for the most part it's actually a political trick, australia does the same thing. something like 1.5 million people (out of 24 million) are on family tax benefit.

1.5 million people are given hundreds of dollars a week to care for their children. let that sink in.

it is much more useful, for everyone, to curtail the benefits you give out. some people do need welfare, that is true, but giving it out to everyone regardless of situation is dumb as fuck.

i'm talking about the mentality of the scientists doing the study, fuckhead. a study doesn't need to be 100% accurate to real life to be accepted into a journal.

people who want to better themselves will better themselves regardless you commie.

You didn't read the story or you didn t search for minecome experiment

Without a lower class the middle class becomes the lower class.

I've seen enough people to say some deserve to be poor.

UBI will make you zoo animal unable to take care of yourself in the real free word.

It will also punish those who can live in real world and actually feed themselves - when initiative is punished society starts to get dumber and less competitive.

If the government gave me that much free money, I wouldn't go to work, for sure.

I've seen arguments that it would allow people to work part time, so labour force participation would increase, but I think getting that exact balance would be impossible. Either it would be too little and a waste of time, or too much and too many drop out of work.

Finns are notorious welfare whores. I've met many of your countrymen who hated it.

It's simple really. The mere fact that one does not have to work to sustain himself erodes civilization. It's a constant and will never change.

negative income tax >>>>>>>>> universal basic income
how can leftists fuck the easiest of gibsmedats

Thats your opinion
I think you are surestimate willpower

This painting needs a gondola remake

is that supposed to hurt my feelings huh shitskin leftard? i bet your a wymyn because thats how wymyn think- oh noes nobody likes me - boo fucking hoo CUNT. i could give a shit what some fucking degenerate nigger wymyn on a goddamn ainu picture trading post thinks. save the world a hassle and kill yourself tonight

It's been about a month. The one making the claim is a labour union, which means it has an incentive to oppose UBI. Further, they don't present any evidence or data as to why the month long experiment has been a failure.
>SAK rejects Standing’s accusations that the union’s real motive for opposing UBI is fear of a drop in membership or a collapse of its insurance funds. A 2014 report by the German Institute for Economic Research suggested that trade union hostility "may be a result of the threat of losing bargaining power."

Their statement is almost worse than random user opinions on a chinese basketweaving forum. At least opinions here don't have such a clear conflict of interest.

Dumb English teacher niggers still get jizaya
This would have gotten some money into the hands of whites

This story is lunacy out of crony socialist propaganda ass. There is no bit of truth.

They should make sterilization a requirement to receive a basic income. You agree to be steralized and not breed, you can live at moderate comfort until you die.

Would help solve some of the problems of automation in a generation or two.

This essentially

Well said

OK Yegor
Have fun making rich people richer

this is absolutely true este. it's like these morons can't look at what has already happened in socialist, communist, welfare states and actually learn from these mistakes. it's the definition of insanity.

>from experience: no
From experience: yes.
From personal experience: yes.

Did you even consider that it might be quite different how things are over here compared to how they are over there?

>the niggers that your type are importing? no.
Except that we aren't importing them in the scale rest of the retards are. Even in this miniature scale the locals are already pissed off about it.

> talks about working as slave
> willpower

You quit and self employ you if you have willpower (and having only willpower is not enough. You need knowledge too)

People unable to care for themselves have no willpower to start with btw.

>If the government gave me that much free money, I wouldn't go to work, for sure.
Who cares about you? What if you had bunch of kids and the welfare wasn't enough? Yeah there is going to be some number of people who will abuse the system but consider it price to pay for not having to kick homeless people out of the way when you are on your way to work, not having your car stereo stolen and cutting the legs of all the socialist movements.

The socialist candidate in France proposes the universal income measure; including:

-6500 euros per month plus 2 free thai massage coupons.

-A jeep with climatisation

-A yearly world tour cruise in order to iodinize your lungs.

Jokes aside we have the technology to automate about 70% of the workforce now the only reason it hasn't been implement is because engineers are waiting for UBI to be implemented before effectively making the job market obsolete. The answer of course is implement a nation wide eugenics programme to euthanize anyone working a middle class job that way we could remove the influx of unemployed people that would be affected by automation without having to implement basic income.

This is the only way it could ever work.

Otherwise you are literally subsidising the creation of a class of parasites.

I am not jealous. This trait belongs to commies who do not appreciate the wisdom, willpower and initiative.

And if you know your worth (implying you are actually worth something) then you are payed well.

im willing to bet most of those fins getting it are refugees.

>liberals are anti-union now
neat.

I would have even less incentive to have children if it was the only thing that required going to work.

You'll still get poor people to cause trouble who just gamble or spend on drugs all their mememoney.

Liberal utopia

YES GOD DAMN YES I AM A FUCKING RACIST NAZI BIGGOT YOU RETARD FUCKING FROG. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR FUCKING PLIGHT OR THAT OF YOUR SHITSKIN PEOPLE IN DUBAI

This is Reddit this memes

There is no reason to work if you are given a livable wage free of charge. I don't understand how anyone can consider this a seriously. Wealth is earned. I don't know what fantasy land these people are living in. You earn your life. Eliminate all modernity and you have only one option. Earn your keep. People absolutely DO NOT have a right to life and good health and wealth. If you don't fight for it, you deserve death.

>Plus, it will only encourage some people to work less.

NO SHIT?!

>says finlands biggest union
This is like believing the tobacco industry's studies on lung cancer.

Although I still believe their assessment is true. Universal income is dumb

Kek

>Only willpower determine success
>What is basic economy?

False. see The amount of people who intentionally abuse welfare in Finland is tiny and those people are looked down upon (exception being rapefugees)

You are a race who is dying and almost consanguine for sure you are stressed about your race

>Kela, the social-security institution tasked with conducting the experiment, says it won’t release any results until after its completion in two years.
>everyone saying UBI is somehow socialist despite reducing bureaucracy and disincentives to work

God I hate nu/pol/

fuck universal income

there should be universal housing and food, then you can work for the rest