LIke it or not, universal income will become the norm (at least in Europe). What are Sup Forums's thoughts on this?

LIke it or not, universal income will become the norm (at least in Europe). What are Sup Forums's thoughts on this?

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i don't think about your left wing drivel at all.

now get the fuck out of my way weeb.

Yes but all the money they get will have to be paid back as jizya

It just means higher prices and higher taxes. It doesn't mean people are automatically wealthier. Leftist politicians love to pander to the poor votes by promising them things that are really just illusions. Free healthcare, free college, universal income, its all an illusion so keep dreaming lefty.

I'm leaving for Asia within the next 8 years. Already began preparing.

Fuck the West, let it all burn.

>the norm
Until we cull you useless unemployable socialist pieces of shit off.

its true , it will also be accompanied by a massive population decrease through faggotry crime and war.

HOORAY FOR COMMUNISM

I'm right wing you dumb fucking niggers. Are you all really denying that fact that the automation industry won't take over?

Reminder that wealth redistribution is different from wealth creation.

Invest in consumables when this happens.

Yeah and it'll happen when Europe is america tier brown. All that work and effort done by Europeans just so mudshits can live on their dole lmao

>rightwing
>universal income

pick one

>automation

we're gonna need automation after ww3

if it's done right, i don't absolutely hate the idea. But it will suck.

By that time we will be able to download into machine bodies to toil away indefinitely, while waiting for the singularity.

The government will just kill the "useless people" why would they pay you when they can use robots to quell any rebellion.

>communism will be installed again

UBI only works if we change how we create money in reply to economic activity.

UBI fails if you want to fund it with taxes rather than with the productivity created in an economy.

meh, people are already too dependent on the governement here I don't think it's a good idea

There's not a single case in history where automation resulted in long-term unemployment.

Horses.

It's a fantasy that people want to believe will work (you mean I don't have to work?! Yeah man totally feasible, gib me dat!), the collapse of society will be spectacular.

I'm going to vote against it every step of the way, but if it happens then I'm quitting my job and never getting one again ;:^j

Yeah and they will be culled off when the industrial age capitalist NWO runs out of suckers to steal from.

Bro, horses aren't people and now they get to roam around casually in fields rather than being whipped to death in battle or as carriages. Automation has freed the horses!

UBI could never work, humans are greedy by nature.

The real question to me is, what should the relationship between universal income and other forms of social security be? And how do you set it at a correct level?

Also, univeral income and mass immigration is a recepie for fucking disaster for obvious reasons.

Switzerland could probably make it work. Sweden will turn into an even bigger tire fire.

Need to use up what's left of your cultural inheritance on yourself. After you, the deluge, huh? You sicken me more than even the baby boomers.

Someone post that article of where some Nordic country's experiment was already falling apart when they tried to make UBI.

Automation has killed the horses. There's less horses alive today than there's ever been in history.

commie bullshit

That's fine we can just kill off 6.5 billion people and make it more manageable.....goy.

Real talk. That kind of thinking terrifies me. And how close it is to actually being reality.

If we move past economic growth at any cost model of our current monetary policy why would we still allow immigration?

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That's the real question isn't it? Economically when people are free they can adapt to new changes, it's how the market work, it's how millions of people act when things change they shift from subsistance, to manual labour, to service etc.

The question is....are we free to do that, or are there really powers that be, that are setting it up to wipe out most people and have a small slave race left over?

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You can control a democracy by controlling the demographics.

....or far seers who know that there will be a future where 97.3 percent of the population is an economic drag, and that they're prepared to let the free market fix things.

Basic income is cheaper for our government than the social safety nets we have in place now. Id welcome it because it will separate the people that do from the people that wont.

No more gibmedats besides basic income -- work for your extras. Basic income is very very low income. If you can manage on that, fine, go a head. Im not going to live like a nigger because of it however. Im white, i work and strife for a better future. I will do so, the basic income will be a nice addition to my normal salary. Perhaps i can use it for a vacation or two.

How the fuck does one get property from universal income?
You will have to work unless you want to live in government housing.

Usually I would be triggered and say "well then everyone will just sit about being useless like welfare leaches now" but robots are going to take everyones jobs so everyone will be doing that anyway.

Universal income will be western civilisations true death knell. It'll mean a return to feudalism (even more so than now) where the people degenerate even further into hedonism and passive consumerism until they are either replaced by third worlders or crash their economy and starve to death.

Automation is going to force it's implementation because the population is so large that there simply won't be enough jobs.

Why would it crash and cause starvation if robots are doing all the work?

Yeah, that automotive industry was just horrendous for long-term employment...

>Yeah, that automotive industry was just horrendous for long-term employment...
For the horses it was.

Neither fate applies with automation. The majority will still eventually die off though, they just won't need to be replaced.

That assumes that the people in the 3rd world magically won't have access to automation in any way shape or form. That's definitely not going to be true, since the people in power in those countries will absolutely import robots, to replace workers.

Western countries will move toward post scarcity star trek society, some 2nd world areas like India will likely still be a mix of ultra modern and ultra primitive (much like now), and places like Africa will be effectively ruled by small groups of warlords, with the rest of the population simply thrown into the streets or actively purged. Africa could also unify not unlike the USA or EU, but it seems unlikely due to tribal differences.

Eventually you can expect the more advanced portions of humanity to move out into space, and the more primitive bits to simply do their own thing, albeit with progressively advancing technology.

I've been working since December with good people, an easy commute, and great experience.

But fuck it I wouldn't want to work another day if the government were passing out tendies money. I could broadcast on twitch, continue planning my new business, and sleep until noon if I had Berniebux.

It's going to start up (a trial) in Canada soon also

Go back to plebbit you COMMUNIST SHILL

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>post scarcity star trek society
You're overestimating the majority's drive my man.

I can only see things ending through gradual degeneration (ala Wall-E) or an avoidable natural disaster that happens anyway because of apathy.

I don't think robot automation is quite to the point where humans don't actually have to work or do anything useful.

In 10-15 years the biggest blue collar industry is going to lose millions of jobs to automation: trucking.

This pace will continue and in 40-50 years there just wont be nearly enough jobs for everyone to be able to have one, let alone want one.

UBI will likely happen soon and it will be perfectly fine.

It won't be a rich life of welfare, it will be basic necessities with basic medical. You will still be able to work and make more money on top of that as well.

It makes sense, our current civilization's advancements are in place that we shouldn't be slaving ourselves for these basic needs.

Housing today is a massive scam, it's all inflated prices supporting old people's lives.

We should be working jobs that are of actual maintenance and progress for humanity.

Fast food chains, designer clothing malls, luxury shit everywhere, corporate pet stores.
None of it is needed. If every fast food chain went under tomorrow, no one would suffer but idiots who complain that they need them.

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