How do we end the short of priests the Catholic Church is facing?

The Church has been offsetting this since the 40s by importing priests from the third world. However, this has started to dry up and neither the first or third world are producing enough priests for either.

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Allow them to marry.

If I could be married as a Priest, I would become a Priest.

They should recruit Sup Forums

Nobody cares. Fuck off

Fuck you and your heretical popery.

Make being a priest a respectable thing again. I think TYP was on to something with that subplot about publicly expelling all pedophile and gay priests.

I guarantee that a lot of Sup Forumsacks would become Priests if marriage was permitted for them.

I certainly would.

I have a girlfriend who I love very much, but I also love God.

I know God will understand if I don't commit myself to a life of celibacy. Because I do not have the gift of celibacy.

The guidelines for marriage should be strict of course.

>Divorce results in defrocking.
>Cheating results in defrocking
>Fornication results in defrocking
>Priests are required to be already married when they become Priests.

Allow Priests to marry in the same manner as the Orthodox Priests do, and you would see a surge in the number of Priests that exist.

literally this

Celibacy is not an attractive prospect

i know there;s a bit of wink wink nudge nudge involved... but I want a family

that being said I'm becoming a deacon as soon as I get the chance, so there is that

Girls dont find japanese cartoons or fascism attractive tho.

maybe they should stop molesting little kids

>wink wink nudge nudge

I wouldn't be shocked if the main opponents of getting rid of celibacy are the pedophiles and homosexual rings.

Because the minute they allow family-oriented men to join the ranks of the Priesthood, all of us would end up exposing and hunting the pedos down mercilessly.

Men who have wives, or children are very very hateful towards those who would hurt them.


Allowing married men into the Priesthood would probably result in pedos being purged within the next few years.

>I certainly would
Then why don't you become some other sort of preacher? Because you're just spouting shit.
>Make being a priest a respectable thing again
It isn't respectable. It's like being a ghost hunter or a psychologist.

Is Catholic version of Christianity really White Man's friend? Let's find out. Culture is a racial manifestation first and foremost. Long ago Natural Law was integral to the European Culture. It doesn't appear out of nowhere, that's why it's natural. Weak die off from the evolutionary race, strong pass on. Catholic Christian Universalism and jewish cultural marxism destroyed that selection, as well as vaccination, saving half dead newborns and such. Biggest mistake of the colonisation was not to exterminate conquered species to zero. Imagine the world today without negros, jews, pakistanis, chinese, indochines and southwest asian monkeys, central asians, Australian aboriginals, redskins and arabs. You can't claim with a straight face that it would be less prosperous, more environmental and free world.
Catholic Church has been more and way longer cucked
>create universalism
>protect judaism and talmud circulation since 1180s war
>demand baptising colonised niggers and amerindians instead of murdering them all
>successfully demand Monarch to throw in prison based Columbus for cleaning the Americas from the filth
>oppose racism since 1800s

Thanks to Catholic Church European jewry, spics, masses of mongoloids and negroes exist.

>Then why don't you become some other sort of preacher? Because you're just spouting shit.

Pic related is you

>Allow them to marry.
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I unironically would join the fucking church to become a priest if I could marry and have children like the preachers from just about every other fucking christian denomination

Pretty much this. Fuck Catholics, evangelicucks and dem lot

We must curb the importation of violent culture that threatens the house of god. The purging of these heathens from Mother Europa will allow the church to gain its hold back on the populace.

We must call for crusade against that which threatens the church. The threat of Islam and Judaism must be cleansed from Europa then from the world.

Get rid of the celibacy requirement, but still require all priests to leave their estate to the church.

>the minute they allow family-oriented men to join the ranks of the Priesthood, all of us would end up exposing and hunting the pedos

I wouldn't tolerate that shit for a second

To be fair to present-day priests though, the problem isn't that other priests failed to report what was going on. The cover up came from much higher levels. Ireland had a boatload of scandalous behaviour from church employees and it sort of spread - nuns killing babies, pedophile priests, etc. Their upper hierarchy had to cover up so much shit they ended up explaining to a lot of the other national catholic churches how to do it

I pine for the day when every day the pews are packed with people going to daily mass and sermons stop being canned handed down from one guy who writes a year's worth of sermons.

Hello mr. Calvinist. I see you're spouting heresy as usual. I'll forgive that if you'll admit you're wrong about 1180

>Inquisition was hundreds of years later
>second inquisition was literally in 1800s

the inquisitors weren't very fond of the hebrew.

>To be fair to present-day priests though, the problem isn't that other priests failed to report what was going on.

I agree with you there, I know many of them got silenced.

>Their upper hierarchy had to cover up so much shit they ended up explaining to a lot of the other national catholic churches how to do it.


To be fair, I think that's why they would be more inclined to defend the rule of celibacy at the upper hierarchy.

Because not only would married men protest and try to inform people, they would practically be willing to go to war.

Because family oriented Priests would fear for the safety of their own children.

You'd see a bloodthirst against pedos the likes of which has never been seen in the clergy before.

make /r9k/ neets priest.

You should look into why priestly celibacy is a thing before you go around saying it should be gotten rid of. Wanting to be a priest on your own terms is not a valid reason

INCREASE MINIMUM WAGE

Because the medieval church didn't want to deal with estates and inheritance

Every other abrahamic religion and non catholic Christianity can handle married clergy just fine, Catholics have been doing themselves no favors with their rule

Jokes on you. I'm married and my wife loves those qualities about me.

I would love to see the day the warped hero-worshipping ideological dogmatism that is Catholicism fades from this earth.

i'd be one if i could be the pope for a few years

It started with Pope Siricius did it not?

join the priesthood yoursellf

Eh not really.

Celibacy is in place because for priests there is only one father, God. Priests can only be a son, never a father.

youtu.be/lu69-sF0V2A

Explains it for normies

>Celibacy is in place because for priests there is only one father, God. Priests can only be a son, never a father.

That's a meme, and that show ended up promoting degeneracy.

Luther was right again. Whether you like him or not, it's better that one's seed goes into a woman than into your robe (paraphrase).

So, the quality that your wife loves the most about you is that you spend your time on the internet watching japanese cartoons?
Cool I guess idk.

It is entirely to prevent priestly dynasties/sever any ties they have to anyone but the Church.
>shilling that shitshow
Fuck you.

Luther was right in certain aspects.

But you are wrong to defend him despite some of his based opinions about the Jews and the issues with the clergy.

Martin Luther attempted to remove the Book of Jude and the Book of James from scripture. The only reason it remains in the 66 books today is because people stopped him and said he was going too far.

.......

>I watched only one episode.

Really man. Sounds like you took that one fucking sound bite from ep 1 and used that as the basis for the show.

I don't have a problem with no marriage.
I do have a problem with worshiping Mary, because I'm not Catholic :3

I watched every single episode.

Tell me why you think Lenny wasn't a heretic at the end, when he said he didn't believe in God, and made a homosexual his main adviser, and even went so far as to consider not banning homosexuals from the church.

>Prevent Priestly dynasties

Again, this issue can be solved in the same way the Orthodox Church solves it.

Allow Priests to be married.

Forbid anyone from becoming a Bishop if they are not celibate.

To spoonfeed your fedora tipping ass.

Its even laid out in biblical doctrine pre-renaissance.

>crisis of faith
literally solved it after talking with spencer and him kicking the bucket in ep. 9.

Plus the miracle scene with him seeing his parents really reaffirms his belief in god.

>a homo who never acted on his homoness. He was just a drunk.

>he signed that doctrine when he was distracted by his fake parents.

This. It's honestly the best part of Catholicism.

The moment a pastor/deacon/whatever gets married they cannot truthfully dedicated themselves to a spiritual mission. Their family/wife will always come first b/c human nature. Then the church becomes like a business. Nothing would be worse for the church than priests becoming like protestant pastors with gold-digging wives and spoiled ass children. Why would I ever trust someone like that as a spiritual guide?

It's not about what you want you twat, God does not have to cater to your special snowflake needs

pic related is what you get when pastors are allowed to marry.

Uncucked frenchman.

Went to a latin mass once at Sacre-Couer once.

Best mass ever

>most holy position requires not passing on your seed
>become immensely popular
>huge numbers of priests
>suddenly not as many members
>suddenly not as many priests

GEE BILL I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED????

Meanwhile in Muslim land:
>Many wives
>many children
>imams have most bitches of them all
>breeding like rats and spreading the ideology with them

Like it or not, the shitskins beat you at religion because you got cucked when the jews told you to be "faithful to the bride that is the church."

Retards.

So when I'm getting married, I listen to the advice of an elderly man who has never been married because he knows exactly what it's like to be married because he's a priest. He knows all about how to raise children and be a good father or mother and all about the struggles of marriage because he's read it from the book.

Okay.

eh du calme j'ai juste dit ce que j'aimerais

Yeah it's pretty based, too bad it's in Paris

Let them have children. A societies best and brightest should breed to pass on those genes.

he's not a fucking relationship counselor man. I'm not even religious, but fucking come on now, he's supposed to be guiding your religious life.

>what is pre-cana?

Kill yourself, it's literally all about what married life will be like. It's complete shit because he has no idea what he's talking about, but its a REQUIREMENT to get married in the church.

Also they DO recommend you seek guidance and advice from the priests when you have marriage problems, so double gtfo.

>literally solved it after talking with spencer and him kicking the bucket in ep. 9.


You clearly did not see the final episode.

Watch episode 10.


>Do you believe in God?

>No, people who believe in God don't believe in anything.

>>all these people incensed at the very idea of married priests
>>buh buh why do we have a shortage you guys!?!?!?!

I mean, I really don't care that much one way or the other, I'm not religious. However, your church was just fine with married priests until it suddenly wasn't around the 11th or 12 century and thus the theological justifications argument is rather moot because anybody can interpret any text to say anyfucking thing they want said text to say if they try hard enough.

Id rather have a church with the few but with an intense love for God and Christ rather than a church with many but few in love with christ (i.e. cultural catholics).

>muslims breeding like rats
Gee wiz, tell me how great their countries are.

We don't. Religions, like most social organizations, come and go with the times. In 2017 the church's power has mostly evaporated within Europe where entire parishes simply die off leading to empty churches being sold off to build (muslim) refugee housing, meanwhile in the new world their power is fast fading due to industrialization finally hitting rural centracas. For a broader context, in the seventeenth century wars were fought over flavors of christanity but by the twentieth all wars had come down to wars over ideas. The wars of the twentieth century will likely be ethnic-based, with transnational organizations like the catholic church finding itself hamstrung between nationalists and cosmpolitanists.

The thing is, people have new gods now. On the (new) left we have the "open society" of equality and borderless capitalism represented by transnational banks and ATMs, on the right we have sober nationalism represented by the military and the post office.

The church's administration realized this a while ago, hence why Ratzinger abdicated so early giving the fancy hat to Francis. Their last ditch effort is to preach socialism and hope that spics (who were raised on it during the cold war) don't leave them. Likely, it won't work and their power will continue to fade until they're whittled down to a few monasteries and the vatican. Their future is more of a monks order than a formal religion.

Not saying they have great countries, saying the Catholic church is a barren whore, and one of the reasons for that priests not being married. The main one is they sold their connection to the Spirit for some child assholes, but that's neither here nor there because the Muslims are the literal religion of the Prince of Lies.

The only difference is at least the Muslims are breeding a lot and having more members, whereas the Catholics are corrupt from within, but also losing members. Really makes you think.

>The Catholic church will die meme

>not including the past 600 years of history
>not including the child rape scandal
>not including the horror show that was Mother Theresa
>not including the past two cucked popes

Yeah, the Papal state responsible for the crusades WAS pretty good, senfam. Too bad that ship has sailed long ago. The Catholic Church is dying slowly, and for good reason because it has lain with the beast of Islam and become the whore of Babylon.

I guess I wouldn't mind married priests on the condition that their kids are over 18, and they agree to a limit on personal income. Otherwise the gold-digging comes into play and the priest stops focusing on spiritual things.

Thanks Satan. I'll keep that in mind.

That's before he literally sees a miracle in his parents in the end speech.

I have the transcript and that discussion with sister mary occurs right before she leaves. She even mentions he has to search within himself.

Even though the ending might be a litte ambigous, you can see his faith is reaffirmed

>their kids are over 18

You want them to spring forth fully formed from their mothers?

Nailed it

nice trips

For a religious couple, married and religion goes habd in hand

>start a thread on revitalizing Catholicism
>getting some sick gets

working as intended

It's a little bit too much apostasy for me desu senpai.

I hope I did interpret it wrong and he still was strong in faith at the end of the series though.

Hey man, I'm not trying to say Christ is gone. The Catholic Church isn't beyond saving, either, no one truly is. But their current path is not looking good. Hell, I'm Orthodox and getting a bit worried about their path too. It is getting harder and harder with the clear threat that is Islam to look at ANY organization that doesn't address this threat and take steps to fight it as being "Holy."

I want Christians to unite again collectively to fight back this threat. I truly see Islam as what will bring about the end times, and right now the Catholics seem more preoccupied with being politically correct and worrying about being mean to illegal immigrants than they are about the world's certain destruction.

If you read this thread, you'll see we have been talking about all the issues that you said we weren't addressing.

Yeah plus that image is a ridiculous over-simplification as well. The early christians got really lucky that the romans didn't begin persistent and determined efforts to persecute them out of existence until around the 3rd century ad, for example. Napoleon didn't really want to destroy catholicism either, nor did imperial germany. The muslims probably do, but they were only really capable of being a serious threat some 300+ years ago.

Oh and that at the end with all the graves of dead empires? Yeah what it doesn't mention is that the islamic world, japan and china all still exist and are largely non-christian. That and most of the places that christendom spread into in europe are secularizing rapidly.

You're ignoring that Christianity is still outgrowing Islam due to conversions. Thank you 3rd world

fpbp

It's different now. Up until 1990, the catholic church's only opposition were protestants or communists. Since 1990, the remaining "hard" catholic countries (namely Poland, Brazil, Mexico and Columbia) all became second world through the spread of free trade. Christianity can't fight pure hedonism, even though all those countries grew less and less people attended services. They're rich now, they all have smartphones in their pocket next to their credit card and government-issued ID. Those three things define them far more than a book written 1500 years ago. The two numbers people remember are their social security number and their bank PIN.

Only a few sects have managed to buck the trend, namely Mormonism and that is only because Mormonism itself is about eliminating sources of hedonism from your life. The church lost the war against the radio in the 1930s (this is how Hitler came to power), then they lost against the TV in the 1970s (this is how faggotry was legalized), and then they lost against the nascent Internet in the 1990s.

No no, not YOU. I'm talking about the CHURCH itself. The people talking about things is great, but if the Church doesn't take a stance on it, there are millions who won't be talking about it and the problem will still take most people unaware.

>watch episode 10

You clearly did not understand sinopsis of the show - the Pope starts as a boy in the beginning, and during the season he becomes a man. His faith is reassured after most of the bad things that happen in episode 7-8 (you know which if you've seen the show).

Also, considering he is a god damn saint (all the miracles that he performed that were confirmed by other people) and the fact that he preaches God's word (love, compassion, mystery) makes him more of a believer than anyone else.

Can't wait for season 2. These series should be spammed across the fucking globe, it can seriously make people turn away from atheism in a heartbeat. The way everything is explained, the speeches (the African one, the last one) ... Paolo Sorrentino is one hell of a man.

That would screw over the children of those priests.

Require married priests to pass 10% down to the church.

Bigger problem is that priests in Europe live in houses and on land owned by the church since centuries.

They have very little to pass down after taking care of grandkids/kids.

No biggie famalam.

That scene where he teaches Esther to pray is solid though. Best way of teaching somone to pray

youtu.be/BIj_bNd2oew


I still think its funny that Proddys think that Catholics worship saints. We pray to a saint so they can pray for us to god

One of two things will happen with the third/second world. Either they develop as the first world did and gradually secularize, or they collapse into mass-scale civil war, famine, and general disorder. In the first case catholicism will die there just as it is dying here. In the second case it will persist, but be largely irrelevant in the places that actually matter to anyone posting on Sup Forums.

Plus Hitler basically looked at the Church when he wanted to round up the jews (and not kill them, take the red pill people) as prisoners of war and the cuck pope at the time was like "whoa thats mean" and Hitler said "I can take Christians too if you'd prefer" and the pope shut up.

Islam is the enemy, Jews are the enemy. I want some Christians who acknowledge this.

>You're ignoring that Christianity is still outgrowing Islam due to conversions.

Only because of African countries. But whether or not they are actually christian is up to debate given the heavy amount of (supposedly heretical) superstition that still happens.

We cleared it Romanian user.

10/10 series. I love how critics have been bashing it here since their attention spans only direct them to the Lenny = Trump meme.

Thread theme: youtu.be/cgTF_fNuzXQ

The priest sure isn't a swimming instructor but we expect them not to drown people at baptism, same for marriage. They made marriage one of the seven Catholic sacraments then they should give guidance into it, which is easier when you've lived it rather than heard of it from others.

fuck off

actual theme: youtube.com/watch?v=2btMNaFmYZk

No one ever truly converts in Africa. They adapt their new religion to their traditional beliefs. The exact same goes for Muslims in Africa, and its actually worse because Muslims in Africa have been fighting each other for centuries due to heretical beliefs and actions stemming from maintaining traditional beliefs.

>swearing
Watch your language you heretic.

He literally commits no sins in the show, and is the definition of red pilled

desu, didn't even Jesus, the Son of God, doubt on the cross?

>not playing that comfy as fuck european house music

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>a typical plebian response

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>I love how critics have been bashing it

I was actually quite surprised on the general positive reception of the show, considering the topics involved. We'll just have to wait and see if Sorrentino decides to turn the Pope full SJW in season 2 or if he'll keep the same equidistant tone as in season 1.

Apart from this, I'd recommend the first season to every single person that has lost faith at some point in their life. It really puts things into perspective and it really forces you to acknowledge that every little thing that happens in your life might be something of divine nature.

Wind blowing through a tree, making the leaves fall; the last sun ray that falls on you when the night is almost at your doorsteps; the children laughing in the park next to your house - all of these are God speaking to you, in the most sublime yet beautiful way.

>What is Esoteric Christanity and mysticism for 500, user

once you marry you're no longer a priest

enjoy your hellfire heretic

Since this is anonymous, i've been going to the blessed sacrement at our church every monday. Praying for a chance to help others fully through medicine (im a fresh grad and in a Gap year). Every single time i cone out of the building I either see a blue jay or white bird. Its quite refreshing.

>general reaction

The reaction here in the states is that its House of Cards: Vatican Edition featuring A pope like Donald trump.

Though, i still think its helping reaffirm faith for some people be they hipster filth watching it for the dank water cooler talk.

It really makes one think, non-memedly of course

The only reason Saints exist is because in old times it was syncretism with Paganism. Even Varg says that Catholicism is the most blatantly Pagan form of Christianity. Saints fill the role of various gods by allowing intercession. Saints also have separate properties, such as the saint of fertility, or wealth, or harvest, so that fills the roles of various gods. The relics also fulfill the desire for idolatry from Paganism, and of course almost all of the holidays are Syncretic crossovers.

Lolis instead on young boys

What's so great about those two books in particular?

Honestly the council of Nicea is bullshit

>muh word of God

Go fuck yourselves, belive that shit if you want but don't try and tell me they somehow magically knew which shit was gods word

>allow them to have conflict of interrests

This is why Protestantism is so degenerated

TYP highlights:

>Favorite Scenes:

Smile: youtube.com/watch?v=yE99LvM7OzA

Prayer: youtube.com/watch?v=BIj_bNd2oew

Love: youtube.com/watch?v=DGkyDSM-JFc

Crisis of Faith: youtube.com/watch?v=d8n4NOYGqcg

Motivation: youtube.com/watch?v=naZBp7AjHuY

Women: youtube.com/watch?v=FxsW_BcRrIw

We don't, you slide towards irrelevance while gnostics make a comeback.

Get more people to attend and actually learn the Church's role while they're there.

Priestly incontinence is the remnant of Greek heresy.
Church tradition has always mandated sexual continence for priests. Celibacy is the way to ensure priests are continent.