What if the Soviet Union was lead by Trotsky and not Stalin? How would history have panned out?

What if the Soviet Union was lead by Trotsky and not Stalin? How would history have panned out?

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Trotsky would have served the intelligentsia/reformist wing of the party; basically social activity would have been confined to the largest cities; there would have only been pandering to the rural farmers and the proletarian would have been subject to liberal patronizing similar to what they had in Germany and England at the time; The Soviet Union would have collapsed under Trotsky during WW2 (which is why he was the favorite of the west; he was a traitor and died a traitor's death)

The world may have been much more chaotic with Trotsky spreading revolutionary sentiment everywhere rather than Stalin who only used such actions as a pretext to undermine US geopolitical power and strengthen Soviet security

Less ice picks.

Trotsky wanted to arm all of the populace and use them as slaves. It would have been even more deadly than the Soviet Union with more famines and less organization and they would have definitely lost to Hitler.

>Trotsky starts fucking with every country he can
>doesn't purge the officer corps because they're all /hisguys/
>when Germany invades the morale of his soldiers completely collapses because they're all serving autistic 4th internationalists instead of proper generals

>implying the imagined 4th international would have accomplished anything
Much like El Che later on, Trotsky appealed to the fallen Bourgeois by creating abstract revolutionary 'sentiment' ; meanwhile real revolutionaries were busy trying to chang every day life (what really matters). Ideologists are not the revolution's friend; they are among the most insidious of enemies.

Well, America's been run by Trotskyites for the last few decades, figure it out.

WW2 with Hitler in the Allies

FREE EXTRA CRISSSSSPY FRIED CHICKEN

mahfugga look like col sanders an shit

>America run by Trotskyists
Kek..no sweetie America runs on Dunkin

Trotsky was actually quite brutal in the late 20's and early 30's

Chekd

You would have dubbed him 'Uncle Leo' and paired with him to destroy Europe again

well he believed in international revolution rather than stalin's socialism in one country meme so he'd probably try something retarded like invading the allies and get wrecked

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Germany invades Poland
Germany invades France
Great Britain holds on
Germany attacks Russia
US gets bombed at Pearl Harbor
Russia BTFO
Germany decides involving the US in the war would bring about too many meaningless deaths
Does not help Japan in the war VS US
Both US and Germany get the bomb, but the US has already invaded mainland Japan so it doesn't matter
USA wins war in Pacific
China Stays democratic after US wins
Weird ass Cold War Germany V USA

Prolly how it would play out

A popular misconception of the internationalists is that they would actually foment revolution world wide while the truth is that they were really just churning out a sentiment or narrative which would have satisfied the comfortable "intellectual" class while the proletariat continues to suffer the indignity of subjectivity. Internationalists are very similar to today's neoliberal; policy and propaganda never coincide.

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Also this. He was too autistic to ally with Capitalists. An interesting one would be if Gregor Strasser took over Germany and Leon Trotsky took the Soviet Union. I wonder how that would play out.

Trotsky wanted to conquere India and China and create big red blob on map with them. Even if his plan would have succeded under him soivet union would still lose european part of Russia to Nazi Germany.
If anything Russian Republic under Kerensky is much more interesting scenario.

This. Fuck Trotsky and fuck his fascist loving followers.

>hurrr let's keep waging this war that caused the entire populace to overthrow the previous government, what could possibly go wrong!

(((((((((((((Trotsky))))))))))))) was the biggest pussy. Stalin was pure evil but at least he was strong

>What if the ussr was lead by Colonel Sanders

Exactly glad he got Icepicked. Stalin lead a country from feudalism to space within his lifetime, while fending off invading forces and subversion from every side. The only people who talk shit are "dissidents" mostly Jews and other people who were actually guilty of antirevolutionary activity; those people didn't hate tyranny they just hated the fact that they had lost their place at the top for once.

Stalin was absolute evil, but he was strong yes.

Define "evil". Stalin improved the lives of millions and millions of people and he turned Russia from a feudalist hellhole to a unified Modern society.

Probably Hitler and the West wouldn't have gotten as spooked by the commies, and everyone would have focused on ROTW imperialism

Yeah, it was so unified that Nazis were showered with flowers out of gratitude on the way in

>What if the Soviet Union was lead by Trotsky and not Stalin? How would history have panned out?

White genocide 1929, God bless Stalin. The guy was even open to a deal with Hitler

Trotsky would have never tried to appease Hitler like Stalin did, and he probably wouldn't have purged the military officer corps like Stalin did, but if Trotsky and Hitler wound up going to war , the USSR would have been going through Chinese-level famines by the time the SS showed up, and Trotsky would have almost certainly capitulated by the time they sieged Leningrad.

Finally, in any realistic scenario, one of the military officers or another politician would have edged out Trotsky if Stalin hadn't, because Trotsky was an elitist academic fuck who ironically didn't see the value in forming strong social bonds with his 'Comrades'.

I'm reading the Gulag Archipelago right now, do your own research you uneducated burger. BTW the nazi regime was not much better, although I respect their sentiment more.

why have you uploaded a picture of the colonel? he wasn't a commie

Well said.
Yea some people are just fucking stupid.

Yeah, he starved their families to death, they should have defended the man at all costs, clearly

What the fuck are you talking about? Some people will even describe Stalin as a fascist.

I've read that book. Solzenhitsyn and others like him got what they deserved; they weren't dissidents they were fallen bourgeois and antirevolutinaries. After the revolution it is still necessary to fight to protect the revolution.

>communist
>being this militant

You deserve death.

Actually at the time it was not possible to feed all the people in the outskirts like that; agriculture and logistics were still quite primitive in the 1940's; not to mention that a war was going on. People starve, this is an unfortunate fact of life; Stalin if anything made it so less people starved than would have under a Tsarist gov't. The USA has starving people, the difference is we outsource everything and create starvation around the world.

Agricultural output, industrial output and living standards dropped SHARPLY after the revolution. There is no reason to think that bolsheviks didn't disrupt and slacken an already growing trend towards modernization nor was the nomenklatura distinguishable from your bourgeoisie.

I might die but the revolution does not die with me. The most powerful nation in the world was built on militant Communism (China). Even Trump had bent the knee to them by consenting to the annexation of Taiwan. It's amazing !

That's the problem, the fallen bourgeois and antirevolutionnairies is such a large group of people you yourself would get shot.

nice role playing, tho i dont believe you really are a communist

>Stalin if anything made it so less people starved

I don't recall the Tsars ever manufacturing a deliberate famine.

>difference is we outsource everything and create starvation around the world

The US is a net exporter of food.

(((good)))

Where are your facts to back up those statements? You don't have any. You have just been spoon fed propaganda by Jews and dissidents and anti communists and you believe it just like that. Under the Tsars millions starve and everyone but a small group we're treated exactly like cattle.

>It's amazing !

This is not American English typography. You indisputably the only genuine shill I have encountered. You are chinese.

I would have not been shot; I am a proletarian (pipe fitter) who is educated (degree in theatrical arts) and I support the revolution and oppose those fuckers who would bring back the bad old world. The manufacturing of Famine is a myth; it is frustrating that people take propaganda as fact.

Modern China was built on taking Marxist-Leninism and politely placing it in the dumpster where after only 80 million dead countrymen they realized Mao's ideas were retarded garbage.

but in the case of Ukraine the famines occurred around the time Hitler only just came to power. Name some other European place where as a 'fact of life' in 1933 7 million died of starvation

all artists were shot

No, even after the war, he starved and slaughtered millions to keep his socialist "paradise" going. Sure he improved the lives of millions. At the expense of other millions. And in the end, it collapsed, not because of US meddling, but because of fundamental defects that would not allow such an empire to exist for long.

Trotsky deserved the icepick. But Stalin deserved an entire mag's worth of bullets emptied in his fat face.

Lol is drumpf a shill too? With his famous "Sad!" And "Easy D"?

rekt in ww2
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No but people like Prokofiev and Shostakovich were forced to pull the party line.

I work in construction I just went to school for arts. I try to be balanced also some of the greatest Film was made during the Stalinist era. Literature also flourished. Maybe he just got rid of the degenerate leech artists.

>muh gorillions
You guys sound exactly like the Jews who feed you this bullshit

You are quite the expert on communist autism

who?

Soviet Union would have collapsed much earlier. Much of Stalin's policies brought Russia back to being a world power thus allowing them to absorb adjacent economies during WW2 so they could survive longer. Trotsky would have stagnated their economy early on and caused their country to absolutely get wrecked by Hitler in WW2.

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>Solzhenitsyn
>Bourgeois
>Son of literal peasants
>Arrested while fighting the Nazis for cracking a joke about Stalin in one of his letters

You obviously read the book and learned nothing from it

Name one other place in Europe that had similar conditions to Russia? The USSR was incredibly vast and had not yet begun to modernize at that point. In fact the people had been treated like cows for so long they were nearly hopeless at adopting new technologies in farming and manufacture. On top of this; World War One and the revolution had created a huge rift in trade and sadly perhaps a lot of people suffered by these historical condition. But compare the quality of life in post war USSR to the time of the Tsars when princes would let whole villages be raped and murdered by Tatars simply for a little money or cattle and you can see that Stalin was really a great man for the people.

His name is Bronstein, not Trotsky.

>implying people don't lie
>implying people from peasant backgrounds did not become ideological or actual bourgeois as a result of improved living conditions under the Soviet
>implying that book isn't one big shill job

His typography and writing style is not remotely American. This is an actual shill.

>implying people from peasant backgrounds did not become ideological or actual bourgeois as a result of improved living conditions under the Soviet

What?

>People starve, this is an unfortunate fact of life

THEN WHY IS NOT OKAY FOR NIGGERS AND MUDSLIMS TO STARVE???OHHHHHHHH VAUSE IT GOES ALONG WITH YOUR BULLSHIT NARRATIVE. KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO ACCEPT COMMUNISM. DROP OUT OF YOUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND GET A REAL JOB PUSSY.

Its funny because Solzhenitsyn was a devout Communist till they threw him in the Gulag

>Lev (((Bronstein)))
>Bankrolled by rich (((NY capitalists)))
>Supported by shabbos goy President Wilson

He had no reason to lie. Writing what he did could have gotten him killed if it was discovered. You're so brainwashed you call a first hand source a shill and claim to know what actually happened

Still a jew commie. fuck him

I don't care about that shit you nigger! I am not a liberal!

Sure he was
Yeah people in prison never lie about why they went there okay sweetie

I came for my KFC

It's true the Soviet Union actually suffered because they did improve people's lives so much. Basically peasants could learn to read and not be treated like animals and were then exposed to degenerate (((artists))) and (((philosophers))) and proceeded to bite the hand that fed them. Many such cases!

>this crude imitation of Sup Forums mannerisms after being called awkward
>inconsistent typography
>The most powerful nation in the world was built on militant Communism (China

Please remember that China will suffer another revolution of its own before ever taking a superpower status Bing Wong.

>anyone who disagrees is a foreign shill
Sorry to interrupt your circlejerk m8 is my eloquent defense of Communism making you that uncomfortable?

>What if a kike instead of a crypto kike ruled Soviet Union.
Great question.

actually russians did pretty well under tsar before the revolution
no famines in cities and economy steadily moved upwards
for instance:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolypin_reform

It's become obvious what the new shilling tactic is over at leftypol. Use echos and Trump memes and make communism seem anti-jewish.

One Wikipedia page about one reform is your argument?? No people were not treated well under the Tsars. They were treated like animals; literal slaves.

Well supposedly Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler so maybe it is anti Jewish. But really it's not it is really just anti globalist to the core and Jews have historically played a prominent role in finance and are therefore guilty. Using trump memes is just funny the guy is an idiotic fatass. I am glad he won because he is accelerating the radical left.

>I am glad he won because he is accelerating the radical left.
They're doing an excellent job of immolating themselves and their retarded ideology, you delusional communist.

I am glad the identity politics are getting btfo'd too. Liberals are a worse enemy to Communism than Fascists even.

Fuck off!
What if the Whites won!

The whites didn't win because there were not enough of them. Dust bin of history

So I assume the average antifa member is a useful idiot who's bound to die once your brand of communism takes power?

>from feudalism to space
You fucking commie retard I hope you die. Stalinists are the worst human wilth on the face of Earth, even worse than SJWs.

Yes actually. Antifa and BLM are serving the globalized capitalist agenda. This is why they are usually unemployed or students indoctrinated by bourgeois university. I got redpilled during Occupy Wall St. I was there and realized that the "organizers" were usually well to do kids working in PR type firms. These "riots" are definitely being manufactured and the sad thing is both "sides" of American politics are invested in the same ends. The average American is being flipped like a coin; eight years of conservatives calling Obama the antichrist followed by eight years of liberals crying over trump. Do not be fooled by the spectacle of opposition; oppose the spectacle!

Wow you bitch ass monarchist you live in a really useless country with nothing going on except hiding Jew gold. What do the Swiss even fucking do?!

>What do the Swiss even fucking do?!
Dunno.. shit like living in 1st world country unlike you maybe?

This triggers the trotskyists

That guy's hair is as ridiculous as Sanders' hair. Why do communists refuse to brush their hair and/or get a decent haircut?

The Whites didn't win, because your fucking (((country))) prepared agents for the revolution, financed them and provided military support.

"First world" yea because the US just fights all the wars for you and produces all the wealth. Old Europe will be pulled off and burned like fat pubic lice.

Absolute lies and bullshit. The Russian revolution was the most popular revolution of all time.

Ya, I reckon he would have simply burnt out the SU with his permanent revolution chuckle fuckery.

what the hell is this commie shills goal here? a communist revolution? and then what sit in run down houses and starve to death happily ever after? only jews and idiots propagate communism