Is Les Misérables a based example of western culture and enlightenment romanticism or a degenerate overrated preachy...

is Les Misérables a based example of western culture and enlightenment romanticism or a degenerate overrated preachy tale that glorifies socialism? discuss

fix'd to be more modern

this sucks, fuck you

the latter

It is an example of western culture, in that it is the greatest novel of the greatest writer in French. It also is a preachy tale glorifying socialism. It is also overrated. Hugo was more of a poet than a prose writer, anyway. Rather like Goethe. And indeed, Shakespeare (many of his plays have the manner of blank or even rhymed verse, and tend to be written in iambic pentameter). Really, the two statements are not necessarily exclusive, in that the romantic movement, at least that inspired by Rousseau, admired the 'noble savagery' of the peasantry, and had a direct relationship with French revolutionary movements, which were quasi-socialist from the start, and just became more socialist over time. Rousseauism was a direct precursor of Marxism

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Nice LARPing there

ugly anyway

Delacroix was certainly a proletarian in his politics. But certainly both Delacroix and Hugo were bourgeois in their lifestyles. Delacroix at least supported the Greek revolution, which had the virtue of beating down the roaches

t. Louis-Philippe

>what is an expat

interesting point, aussie friend
would you say that the french revolution was overall a positive or negative force?

This story takes place on an other planet called "past", no comparison is relevant.

Pretty hard to unscramble at this distance. There were definite benefits, and also negatives. The behaviour of 'les seigneurs' was unconscionable, and other aristocratic systems in Europe, particularly the British, tried to improve the relationship between themselves and the common man. Let's face it, most people have benefited from the extension of the franchise and the economic freedoms extended to the prols. Of course, the monarchical system when administered properly is far better than democracy. Anyway its too difficult to sum up all the pos/negs in one post

Did you find someone to surrender to today?

Only from monday to friday.

The second.
>whore gets knocked up and fired
>Woe is me!
>convict goes to jail for stealing
>woe is me!
>ugly girl is turned down by hot guy
>woe is me!
It's all just Socialist bullshit.

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>he doesnt appreciate the transformation of jean valjean from lowly thief to respectable christain mayor who sacrifices everything he's earned to save only one man from being wrongly convicted of his crimes
plebian-tier post tbqh

Socialism > Capitalism

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this, if you're referring to orthodox socialism before karl marx fucked it up with his retarded communist bullshit
modern capitalism is single-handedly responsible for the degeneracy of today, and continues to perpetrate it
modern """socialists""" are even worse, but not as influential

great book

ferme ta gueule ptite merde.
On a ton IP, on sait qui tu es, on va te casser le crâne.

Well it was bait desu. I actually do agree it is a touching tale but is romanticism.

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are you retarded? i dont speak baguette

romanticism is degeneracy

objectively false
realism is the epitome of degeneracy, hence why the socialists adopted it as their art style of choice

Early Javert did nothing wrong.
Law and Order.

were a police baton and your anus involved?

agreed. javert and jean valjean's conflict is incredible because they are both good men deep down

Thenardier is the real bad guy. He screws over everyone in the story for himself.

>musical
thats disgusting

>realism is the epitome of degeneracy

What?

your opinion lost all credence when you disparaged romanticism, faggot

the art style "realism", often seen as the opposite of romanticism
heres an example

makes me sad because now i want to read it again but i know i won't have the necessary attention span for 1500 pages

heres a famous example of romanticist art, for comparison

>greatest writer in French
who is louis ferdinand céline

when the fuck did i do that poojeet ?

sorry, i confused you with another frog. musical was ok though, i liked the end scene and the soundtrack even if the singing and acting kind of fell behind