Why are UKIP doing so badly in the polls compared to their counterparts on the continent...

Why are UKIP doing so badly in the polls compared to their counterparts on the continent? They're at exactly the same place they were in the 2015 election.

More importantly, what should we do about it?

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There's no point for UKIP to exist anymore considering the UK will become independent again.

because people now know that brexit was shit

Same reason Merkel is BTFOing the AFD

Where have we seen this before?
>Brexit will never happen, look at the polls!
>Trump will never win, look at the pills!

I support the BNP

This, they need a re-branding hard, even their name will be old once we leave the EU.
Also their new leader doesn't have the pure charisma of Nigel.

it hasnt happened yet so it cant be shit

>>Brexit will never happen, look at the polls!
>>Trump will never win, look at the pills!

The polls were quite accurate.

Northern towns who's hate Paki's hate Thatcher almost as much. Ukip are economic neo liberals very much in that vein.

BNP policies were better but they came too soon and had far too much baggage.

Also this, morons who hated Cameron want to give May a chance, as if she's suddenly gonna stop being annopen borders shill because she's got the top job.

The only thing that matters is that whites go out and VOTE.

Remeber, the (((polls))) in America said Drump get BTFO the whole time too...

Outside of of Brexit, UKIP are closet Thatcherites. Their attempt at appealing to the left is laughable.

Stupid slav.

Brexit was predicted to be very close, which it was. Trump less so, but Hillary did win the P O P U L A R V O T E.

In France, Sweden and Holland their right wing parties are all leading the polls - I wanna know why UKIP aren't doing as well.

Having just looked on wikipedia, the parties in the aforementioned countries are a lot more centrist/centre left economically than UKIP. Doubt it's a coincidence. So what do? Resurrect the BNP?

What?! Putting a Scouse skinhead in charge isn't enough?!

They would be much better than the Tories.

It's the same here, people voting for the same old parties because of stupid family ties and traditions, irrespective of policy.

BNP under a different name maybe yeah. As I said, waaaay too much baggage.

im scared lads. i think we have a minimum 8 years of may.

minimum.

she could be a permanent leader at the rate she is going. shes gonna fuck us harder than merkerl fucked deutschland

thinking of joining the army and letting ahkmed shoot me in the brain tbhlads

I thought May was good?

Except a lot of these people did vote UKIP last election. All it took was this witch to say a few vaguely conservative things for once and most of them immediately flocked back to the tory scum.

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Theresa May was in charge of immigration from 2010

>May
>good

The UK is a two-party state.

Need someone as charismatic as Nigel

Brits are worthless pussies. Subhuman garbage so to speak
UKIP - lolbertarian pro-rapefugee cuckolding party
Still can't get elected
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"Polls"

> There's the immediate problem: official bullshit

The party needs to die, UKIP was always a meme party. There is room for a small Socially Conservative Party.

They've always been more of a pressure group than a party. As well as that they are classic liberals, especially with the economy, whereas the European parties combine socialist policies with social conservatism

Were Netherlands, Sweden, France and Austria not much like this for decades too?

Not in the slightest, overall it matches up but it's because they got almost every state wrong with either far more or less support for Trump from each. In the end it evened out around their estimate but that was only coincidence.

My guess is that trying to influence Ukip to stop being spastics from within would be easier than starting from scratch with a new meme party but I could be wrong.

Because they were infiltrated by Tory-lite social liberal scum and are now no different to the Tories, hence why people arent prepared to vote for them over the Conservatives.

It wouldn't, their Party Constitution is fundamentally libertarian and dedicated to free trade and (((libertarian values))), you may as well say the same of the Tories

Only a socially conservative - and PROUDLY socially conservative, UKIP call themselves liberals - and socially protectionist party can succeed

economically protectionist, rather

She is terrible.

Because UKIP is shaky right now.
I was under the impression that once the UK exited the EU, UKIP would disband. The leadership has been all over the place as well.

Are there any tiny parties who already exist worth throwing our lot in with? English Democrats are the only ones I can think of and they seem pretty shitty and stale. Shit name too.

You mean the (((coincidence))) that several million more Dem voters showed up in California than expected? How odd that the pollsters massively underestimated Trump's support everywhere else but in California they massively overestimated his support.

They're controlled opposition

Watch Joe Owens

>not keeping it L O C A L

90% of the people who make up UKIP are walking turds who should be nowhere near any position of power

without nige to steer the ship it would just be one iceberg after another

worst thing about brit politics is labour is an even bigger shit fiesta, and wtf do the lib dems even stand for? all i know about them is that whatever clown is currently in charge likes to make snide condescending remarks about the opposition while having no real substance themself

fuck british politics, but at least we aint germerkel yet

The AfD isn't getting btfo at all since they still have solid 12-15% of the population behind them.

>GIBS MONAY

t. welfare niggers

>popular vote off by 2%
>swing state polls off by 5% !!!
>tey was correct xd

>a small Socially Conservative Party.
t. BASED mulatto subhuman

>Why are UKIP doing so badly in the polls compared to their counterparts on the continent?
Satan runs the UK

You could say the same of UKIP though

The fact remains that the Fake Conservative Party is siphoning a massive amount of votes from the only vaguely patriotic party and the the population of both countries are gullible retards

We're in very similar situations

Farage was the only competent politician in the party

Plus we have a nominally right-wing government already, which releases some of the pressure building against the international neo-liberal status quo

Well yeah, except that we might be more fucked mid-term than you.

UKIP is basically an anti-EU pressure group which also bleeds votes from the real parties

it is not yet clear how it could continue to exist after we leave the EU.

plus Nige -was- UKIP and now he's left. the rest of his party are random plebs who can't compare

People like this are who I mean when I post They let the brainwashing get to them - "This blatantly left-wing party is nowhere near as bad as the INSANE left-wing party, that makes them right-wing, and of course I'm going to vote right-wing"

They've doomed us all

I said NOMINALLY right-wing you fucking mong

I know all about the Tories and their traitorous ways

funny isn't it

They're only right-wing in the sense of being bought and paid for by the private sector.

Yeah yeah, justify your 2015 vote however you want

They present themselves as right-wing though, hence I said "nominally" right-wing, and hence some less informed right-wing voters vote for them instead of UKIP

What do we do then lads? New party? Get behind a tiny existing one?

A new or obscure party would need an extremely charismatic leader to get it off the ground. The best chance would have been Nige rebranding UKIP.

Fascist lite new party, or support Liberty GB.

Liberty GB:
>THORIUM reactors
>Support British culture
>0 immigration for 5 years
>Protect countryside

it all comes down to FPTP

vote UKIP get Labour

I limped to the polling station on crutches to vote for UKIP in 2015. And I voted for Whittle in the London mayoral elections last year (with Britain First as my back-up)

I'm literally making the same point as you but because you don't understand the implication of the word "nominally" you thought I meant the opposite

I'd like a British National Front based on the French one. Nationalist and socialist

Anything even remotely connected to facism or hardened nationalism becomes unelectable. Even UKIP got a load of shit for that.

BNP had some success in 2014, but got hammered hard with membership leaks

UK needs a single-person party along the lines of Geert Wilders

BNP had two MEPs thanks to proportional representation

it all comes down to that, really, National Front would have been able to become a serious force in the 70s but people flocked to the tories to prevent a Labour victory

FPTP is also the same reason USA only has two parties

The Tories would have to be taken over somehow by a millionarie

And then they got BTFO by a much more moderate UKIP party and Griffin's sperg on QT.

Oh yeah I forgot them, the lad dressed as Harry Potter on C4 is in that party. He was the only one in that segment who didn't come across as an awkward nerd.

That's why we obscure the fact that it is fascist by giving it a new name like the British Reformers Party, also focus more on the economic side of fascism providing a good alternative to the socialists and people who aren't 100% capitalist.

Not true

America and Britain aren't the same country and their leadership contest and restrictions on leadership are much different

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FARAGE for pm ....

In the case of UKIP I blame the leadership for making the whole thing a shit show.

I get that are' Nige wants to get on with his life though, and it could even be for the best given some recent drama about his marriage (such that it is one).

I think if they can secure a win in the stoke on trent by election they'll certainly be on the path to recovery. If they get less than 40% it will make them look ineffective, but still show that they have strong support. If they get less than 30% though I will start to lose hope for them.

Like some have said I think they'll need to reorganise a bit over the next few years, Nuttal could even be the right person to shit the party to the left on workers and welfare - really chew up labour's seats up north.

Too closely associated with shit-tier shaven headed football hooligan dafties etc rather than people not liking their policies

Local People's Party

Now that Brexit will happen their raison d'être is pretty much over.
See what happened to the Vlaams Blok in Flanders after cucks parties rode on the autonomist train.

> he thinks the collapse has anything to do with QT

Volunteers were being bled at a fast rate since the membership leak, trust in the officials of the party collapsed completely, and Griffin was becoming paranoid didn't help

how based Jonathan Bowden got expelled is beyond me

The party is full of softlads and daftcunts.

>Too closely associated with shit-tier shaven headed football hooligan dafties

That's part of the problem. The WN spastics give the left the very best ammunition they could ask for.

What a fucking good goy image

What do you think pushed the Tories to offer an EU Referendum (that they never thought they'd have to give) in the first place

as opposed to what?

the failure of more moderate parties that reject any sort of association with skinheads shows that image was never the problem

UKIP was too un english, essentially, in that Brits like to do things quietly and not so, well, uncouth.

However, I suppose they were necessary to spark debate - pretty much everything they were about is being addressed by the Conservatives because of Brexit.

So they were necessary, but we Brits don't go in for such showmanship. This is why they are retreating behind the scenes.

On the other hand, look at what Momentum has done to the Labour party. It could be worth trying to start up a Nationalist Momentum

almost impossible, it would have to come from within

The Tories are a tightly controlled party compared to the more federated Republicans

Ukip got 8x as many votes in 2015 as BNP at their peak in 2010 so... no

If you honestly don't think that shit along with Griffin denying the Holocaust puts the normies off I dunno what to tell you.

Stupid argo

We must start killing random pregnant shitskins. We have no choice.

I have to agree with the namefag, much as it pains me.

Nationalist parties are at their best when they don't get power, but they are threatening to take it from those who are in power.

I mean, even Merkel has started to talk about banning the Burqa, even FUCKING MERKEL.

A strong UKIP will force both Labour and the Tories to be more right wing.

It would be hard, but it might not be impossible. I mean, last I chekced the Tories only have 300,000 members. Membership is only £25 or somesuch. There are probably enough britanons on Sup Forums to tip the balance towards a more right wing leader and therefore possible prime minister. The problem there is that you can only vote for MPs and as we've seen with May's political manoeuvring (which was savvy) that isn't always reliable.

the peak of BNP was the 2009 Euro elections, and it got 943,598 votes

UKIP got 4,376,635 at its peak in 2014

yet getting 5 times more than the BNP had zero effect whatsoever

for starters, Cameron had already promised to hold a referendum in 2013, while britain got new immigration record levels in 2015 and 2016 again

if your target is to save the british nation-state, BNP and UKIP accomplished the same: nothing

Not unless the Tories let anyone who pays £3 choose their leader lel

>Nate: If I throw this dice, there is an 83% chance it won't be a 6
>Sup Forums: Dumb kike (((Silver))) six always wins it the biggest
>Nate: *rolls dice* *lands 6*
>Sup Forums: LOL JEWS AND MEDIA BTFO WE TOLD YOU

If a probability model says Clinton has a 52% chance to win Florida, then it isn't surprising if Trump wins it since he has an almost equal chance. They does not at all mean the model is wrong.
The only states he was really off was Wisconsin and Michigan.

Yeah, I guess the problem is that the interests of the white working-class are fundamentally not compatible with those of the aristocratic upper-class (Tories) and cosmopolitan middle-class (Labour). At the moment there is a weird political alliance between the white working-class and the aristocratic upper-class, but it just results in the lower class getting screwed over in the end

We need a Third Position

>Paying attention to what Merkel says

theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

> the media identifies something called "Nationalist Movement" trying to take over the Tories
> targets the jobs of members of that movement like they did with the BNP list
> movement dead

it is gonna take someone with balls and a lot of money

mission (almost) accomplished.

why does it matter when UKIP achieved their goal

I think Liberty GB is worth a look but they've got a loooooong way to go before they're credible.

Their party constitution is good, stresses the importance of absolute freedom of speech and Fuck Islam

>missing this guy