What reforms do you believe need to be made in the American school systems?

It seems lately the school systems in America are falling more and more behind. Just interested in what fellow anons think.

Less music, drama, art, and PE. More science, math, and technology.

we need more PE, weakfag

it needs to be abolished. who cares if the plebs can't read? not our job to pay for their education.

private schools only

If you want to do sports, join the wrestling team.

PE is just a waste of time.

College physics teacher.

Abolish No Child Left Behind - its emphasis on standardized testing and class averages has done unparalleled damage to the school system. Instructors at the primary and secondary levels are stuck focusing on rote learning - drilling facts and figures without any opportunity to explore their importance or context, and removing any focus on developing critical thinking skills. Math and science at the high school level aren't taught, they're memorized. Students are given lists of pre-derived equations on exams and told to plug the numbers into their calculator.

The emphasis on average academic performance has also put too much pressure on schools to pass students who shouldn't be passed. I can't tell you how many students I've had come into my class who couldn't balance an equation or understand unit analysis.


Social studies and literature are another matter altogether.

Have 2 high school options;
one is a 2 year program that offers basic life skills and doesn't require 4 years of english and extended history courses. I see a lot of kids burn out in high school, so make it a shorter program with a job training after the 2 years. Then have a 4 year college prep program that is similar to what we have now.

needs more gender studies

PE is only a waste of time because schools have taken away any ability for gym teachers to enforce standards or be hard on their students.

Can't run warm-up laps at the beginning of gym? That's okay, you can sit on the bleachers instead.
Can't do a push-up? That's okay, we'll let you do some knee push-ups and give you a pass on the Presidential Fitness Test.
BMI of 40? That's okay, you're perfect just the way you are.

Remove the school to school pipeline. We have people go from preschool to primary school to middle school to high school and then finally to college and then graduate as teachers where they finally return to school to teach at age 21 or whatever. We have people teaching kids who have never been in the real world, earned a living in the actual productive sector of our society. They have gone from this sheltered school society to the increasingly sheltered college society and back again.

Teaching kids is more than whatever the curriculum is. Your teachers in school should teach you about life too. When I look back on what I learned in school it mainly wasn't from the boring biology teacher who read the textbook, it was from the 60yr old retired engineer who came to teach us physics because he enjoyed it. Half his class lessons didn't stick in my head but lord knows everything other thing he said did. He was the one to teach us what the fuck taxes were, he showed us the basic workings of a car when someone asked him. He taught us about different cultures he encountered on his work abroad. He wasn't alone either, the best teachers I found were those who lived lives with careers and returned to teach because they enjoyed it.

I'm not saying there aren't those who are gifted teachers who have a talent for it right out of college, I'm just saying they could offer so much more as a business teacher if they attempted to run a business. With my current degree before I can specialize in my field I must work for a minimum of 2yrs. Make teaching a post graduate degree and require a simple 2-3yr work time in the field of your degree. Too many students here attempt to get into medical schools or whatever, fail and resign themselves to a life of teaching making themselves and their students miserable.

Not a burger, but I'm inclined to say that class divided by genders would be a good idea

High school teacher here;

More money, improved conditions, less focus on testing, etc. will help, but ultimately reducing poverty is the only thing that will truly solve the issue.

The number one factor of a student's success by far is parental involvement. Everything else is absolute peanuts to that. Virtually every study on education ever proves this. And the number one influence on whether or not the parent is involved is their social class. 95% of lower class parents don't give a shit because they do not have the time/knowledge/ability and 95% of upper class parents do because they can. It's that simple.

Do they teach the concept of abstraction? I feel like if kids learned what abstraction is and how it works, they wouldn't get stumped the first time they see 'x+3=4'

We need something that will allows smart kids to progress at an accelerated rate.
AP is a joke right now because every parent wants their medicore kids to take it ("A C in an AP class looks better than a B in a standard class!!")

Get rid of common core. Hilldawg wanted to do that, but you fuckers stopped her and now you got unqualified pro-common core Devos.

tracked classes in public schools. its a simple fix and its illegal because it would group kids by race (unintentionally).

We need more subtle fat shaming if we don't require PE.

this.
if by age 14 a kid cant do basic calculus he is sent to a special school to learn a profession\trade (mechanic\electrician\technician\driver ...whatever).

>Music, drama, art
I think these could be saved if we weed out the cultural Marxism and implement some sort of private fundraiser to fill the gap of lower public funding

Also, bring back racial segregation and replace "PE" (negroid basketball, homosexual football, etc...) with PT (rifle training, wilderness survival, physical fitness, etc...)

Make it free.

I'm not kidding. As always, leftists, socialist and commies have no idea about the consequences of their demands.

1. Remove Tenure
2. Setup a board of locals that analyses their teaching method
3. At the same time, remove that common core shit
4. Increase their pay(Necessary to bring respect back to teachers)
5. Increase standards for teachers

The main problem with my plan is that there are so many mongs in teaching atm it would be difficult to root them out.

fucking LOGICAL FALLACIES... the schools dont teach at all how to think or examine ideas.

Also basic economic stuff isnt taught

>more money

No

free candy bars. NO HOMEWRK!

Even the school system itself knows this, they won't do it because "lmao equality." Feminism was a mistake.

No more social studies. No more global studies.

Teach history. History is actually interesting. Make kids learn their fucking STEM shit early and with no remorse. No cutting arts.

Not to agree with a Jew, but classes about basic life skills and trades are great. I took a law class because I needed a class for dummies to blow some time off in my senior year because I had been taking almost ever AP class available.

Turns out that was pretty useful as a life skill, as I wound up arguing pro se in court on a few times. It's almost criminal that kids get out of school without knowing how debt and banking works, either.

A disproportionate amount of that new money is being given to superintendents and equally useless administrative positions instead of things that tangibly benefit students and teachers.

Re-segregation.

this, i fucking had
>torah class
>tushba class (torah fanfic)
>(((art)))
>(((music)))
>fucking arabic for some reason (our school made a deal with army intelligence corps)
the only things i remember are my based 10/10 fat russian chemistry teacher and some books in literature class that weren't so bad.

I work in a high school, and I can tell you point blank that what they need is more accountability. Barely anyone gets punished for anything outside of actual criminal offenses, and grades don't mean dogshit. I also think there should be more of a split between "normal" academic high schools and vocational high schools. We are wasting a lot of time and resources on students who can't grasp math for example and don't give a shit about it, and either just want to be a mechanic or will wind up in jail

College physics student here.

100% agree. They don't want actual scientific thinkers as that implies skepticism. All the prerequisite STEM courses are plug and chug.
It does open up in the higher level courses but non-physics majors will never get to them.

The solution in my opinion is to abolish standardized curriculum's and let the math expert decide how to teach the math.

>It seems lately the school systems in America are falling more and more behind. Just interested in what fellow anons think.

close them down and open community centers where kids can play video games, learn to shoot a rifle and shine shoes

>private schools only

but all the schools are shitty

Send the undesirables to their own schools.

Quality post.

When I was in high school all the stupid nogs had their grades curved and had no incentive to actually pass the classes because of the grade curving and free extra credit. I remember graduating and wondering how the fuck all the retards were also graduating knowing damn well they didn't do any work and spent most of the time wandering the halls.

It added insult to injury when in my senior year all the colored kids got grants and scholarships for being colored and all us white folk had to leave high school with a 4.0 gpa, volunteer hours, and a whole bunch of other shit or had to join the military to get grants and scholarships.

>literature class
Yeah, bring that back, too. There were some good things, but half of it was "Anne Frank in her Antisemitic Attic" and "Black Girl Suffers under Slavery." That's not literature.

Thank God my mom read good books to me when I was young.

This

Get rid of the school system entirely. Intelligent people can use the internet to learn things and teach each other. Idiots will be idiots no matter what. Specific skills can be learned on the job. Yes things will be less efficient, and yes there will be more workplace accidents as a result, but it'll be better for society as a whole. A healthy childhood is important, and school is prison.

Speed teaching is failing. Hurry up and learn is destroying. People teaching who don't understand how the mind soaks up precepts.

>4. Increase their pay(Necessary to bring respect back to teachers)
Aside from my other suggestion in this thread, this is another good idea. Anyone worth half a damn isn't going to be interested in going into this profession because most school districts pay peanuts. Why go into a field where the top out pay for an average person is $45-50k a year when I can go into engineering or accounting and bring home six figures after a few years?

When I was in school, I knew a few education majors and they were some of the least intelligent college students I ever met.

In reality all of the problems are innate to government beuracracy

Push charter and private schools any way you can and do not allow public schools to inherently out compete everyone else

So then "more money" is retarded

Adjust it or be grouped with the hordes of retards that just want more money thrown at unions and administration

This is probably one of Devos' advisers.

I had to learn the basics of trigonometry, from a Russian pipe fitter on YouTube.

It worked, didn't it? And you didn't need to sit in a cinderblock room full of nogs to learn it.

If it is, then this is your opportunity to voice an opinion.

Personally, I work as staff at a world class university and while I thought it had always been leaning toward shit and worked to get some bad actors fired, I have never seen such an anti-academic breakdown into irrational childishness until this past year.

New and smarter students. Though taken whites are already a minority in children I don't think that will happen.

The biggest problem with American schools is that they're full of niggers. Make all the teaching reforms you want, you can't teach students who aren't willing to learn.

Stop cutting recesses in grade schools, return of shop classes in high school.

Here's an idea.
Chevy opens up a two-year vocational training school with the stipulation that you sign a 2+ year contract to work for them. Free schooling for the student and useful skills/education. Chevy gains a guaranteed worker. Win - Win?

This is the only correct answer.

I don't like speaking about what I don't know, so I'm not going to get into a full on debate about course content etc.

One question I have for you Americans is this, do you think that bringing back punishment such as the cain, enforcing school uniforms and all in all, having a strict, more disciplined atmosphere would be of benefit?

I just feel that the traditional free-loving scene you guys paint of your school life is what contributes to the problems of careless millenials and rioting in the streets.

My high school invested a tremendous amount into its theater program. On the technical side of that I learned enough general contractor skills to make a living on it. That was fun as hell.

The only thing it didn't teach was how to run your own business. That's because the whole point of the modern education system is to train drones for the school-to-work program to keep money flowing for the banker slave system. But it's enough to get hired in to the independent workforce and learn what I might need to.

My younger brother recently graduated high school. None of his friends knew how to read the compass on my vehicle dashboard. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN?

when you stop assuming that the goal of government schooling is education everything starts to make way more sense.

If you keep hanging on to the government story that they are actually interested in education you are left little other option than to come to the conclusion they are hopelessly incompetent, which is hardly an argument to give them more money, let alone control over your child's mind for over a decade.

GENDER QUOTAS, 3 MANY WOMEN

white americans perform as well as white europeans

we're just falling behind because the student body is getting less and less white

Harsher penalties for skipping class.
Harsher enforcement of cell phone policies.
More difficult coursework with less outside work.
Elimination of all of that "read a book and tell me about the symbolism" bullshit in favor of useful English material.
Enforce harsh dress codes.
Stop focusing on giving every single student a tablet or laptop, tons of places do it and it's fucking stupid.
Put advanced children in a separate environment.
Make every child take a foreign language starting at six, seven, or eight years old.

We don't even teach proper grammar until 4th grade when kids start writing at least a page worth of sentences. Earlier grammar is a start

>implying anne frank's diary isnt a pretty good book
but yea israeli literature education is surprisingly based .
>have to read a story of pic related
gotta choose
>crime and punishment
>anna karenina
>buddenbrooks
>one hundred years of solitude
>the trial
>madame bovary
>the sound and the fury
>the master and margarite
>1984
>the stranger

>One question I have for you Americans is this, do you think that bringing back punishment such as the cain, enforcing school uniforms and all in all, having a strict, more disciplined atmosphere would be of benefit?
In some schools, yes. In others, no.

It would be good for niggers who have no parental discipline. However, it would also isolate genuinely intelligent and rebellious kids. I would rather have dropped out than worn a uniform, and I was at the top of my class.

Per usual, the best solution is separate institutions for separate races.

Wrestling training was more intense than football training in my school.

Absolutely

The school I attend has no discipline of any sort, I once saw a kid just take a phone call in the middle of class and the teacher didn't do shit.
Our teachers are weak and most can not control a class, and a strict and disciplined attitude would probably produce results.

>what reforms
eliminate common core and ban the concept of "federal curriculum", hang every (((educator))), and then host a job fair.

On another level, I believe 6-7 period days are terrible. You go from class to class, breaks in between to go to another class --- 5 mins to get everyone settled, learn for 40 mins --- pack up -- another 5-10mins going to locker to get books and go to next class. It's just inefficient as well as autistic trying to get a kid to learn so many different subjects from different teachers throughout the day.

Honestly the best I did was summer school classes (math and chemistry in high school). One class for four hours with only a lunch. But you can do two classes a day, two subjects a day. That's how you go deep into a subject and learn. Also in summer school there was less time so everything was speed learning in a way. The teacher had to only focus on the important stuff, no time for shitty busy work (just homework on the subject). Teachers are always trying to make up stupid worthless projects to keep kids busy. When the teacher knows there is limited time, they push out the necessary stuff only.

Usually, it's ask who has questions from the homework (math/science) and the teacher demonstrates the questions people had difficulty with. Then teacher collects the homework. Then a quiz or test right after. Then finish off with a small lesson from text book for tonight homework (teachers try to make kids do too much homework as well, it should be practice and getting to know how to do them only -- enough to get familiar with it).

Teachers have no been challenged enough. They have become so inefficient and lazy with teachers unions.

Wow you really worked hard on that. Have some herbiage in all fields but also, if you are not a shill, you need to read Sup Forums's First Text on public school, which is John Gatto's Secret History of American Public Education, as well as Facing Reality In American Public Education (which actually lists all the failed liberal programs and explains how they failed), and perhaps take a sardonic look at globalist-worshipping faggot Ed Boland's unintentionally hilarious Battle For Room 314.

I met a number of kids in university who still had chips on their shoulders because they were forced, drugged, and lightly beaten at schools because they wouldn't conform. I had to spend time to resocialize them so that they would thrive better.

I'm sure it works for some kids, but it's not a universal solution.

Cut out administrators. Spend that freed up money on better training for teachers. Good teachers fix almost all problems, bad teachers may as well not exist. Hire older, experienced and well regarded teachers as principals/headmasters, not business faggots.

Don't cut recess time, kids need at least a 15 minute break every couple hours. This also helps fight childhood obesity if only a little.

Either provide good, nutritional and tasty food or don't. Serving 'nutritional' slop that's sold to the schools for a high price helps nobody.

In highschools, encourage trade schools. Fuck off with this everyone goes to college shit. It's a lie and damaging to the kids and our economy/society.

Government should get out of the education business and into the certification business

Took ap physics in grade 11 and it made me enjoy math more and opened my mind to new math concepts due to a based physics teacher. The number of people who didn't try to learn physics in my college physics courses was astonishing
t. senior computer engineering w/ math minor

I see what you mean, there'd be a lot of resistance at first.
But I'm sure you would feel different if you had never experienced school without a uniform.
There's bound to be students in the UK similar to your mindset. The difference being that they never had anything taken away for them to protest about.

MAKE IT FREE
MAKE IT ABOUT
MATH
HISTORY
P-E

School started to fail when it turned into a franchised machine for private companies to gain laborers who only know how to listen and repeat. It is just disguised with parents and society that it is something noble but that's only college that actually teaches you something. But even then same fundamentals.

>the school systems in America are falling more and more behind

Maths student here

I taught in the assistance center at my university to help students coming in from highschools. So many of them were absolutely unsalvageably retarded in regards to mathematics. If they can't even grasp mathematics then I struggle to understand how they ever hope of making it in any of the STEM fields at all.

Competition will fix the American school system. There will be school vouchers soon, and private schools are MUCH better than public schools in general. Kids will be able to get a good education, and public schools won't have a captive audience for indoctrination.

I am an EE PhD student. I think there needs to be more STEM in public education, but fuck you if you want to axe the arts. The problem with public schooling is that all kids get the same education regardless of ability. If a kid is good at math or music, they shouldn't have to always be grouped with people that don't share those passions. People should still be exposed to a wide variety of subjects, but they should be allowed to pursue subjects more deeply than public education allows. Age is a good way to group peers by default, but there is room for variation.

that's fucking terrible man. i mean we dont exactly have it strict in here but damn in israel you have to:
>stand up when teacher enters class
>wear plain shirt\sweater with school symbol
>use phone= thrown out of class
again depends on the teacher, russian teachers were the strictest but also best teachers .

Just quit zoning kids to attend schools out of their areas. I drove passed two high schools to get to mine. All of those buses wasting so much fuel. Idiotic and wasteful.

Anne Frank's Fictional Fiction might have been more effective if everywhere every time it was here's another book about Jews and Holocausts and let's all watch a video about a Jew hiding in Germany and having to sew his own dick to try to justify circumcision and here are 12 blockbuster Jewlywood movies about the holocaust to cry about. It's just completely overdone.

Meanwhile not a peep about Soviet Russia.

>tfw high school was the only one around with shop class left.
>It was almost entirely devoted to making props and scenery for the theater programs which were actually pretty awesome.
>A couple years after I graduated they removed the shop class and its teacher to cut costs.
>See show that my cousin is in.
>Its nowhere near as high quality as it used to be.

Its a damn shame really. The lack of value that the school system places on teaching kids how to make things, repair things, and be applicable for summer or part-time jobs that aren't retail or burger flipping is maddening.

Local contractors used to ask our shop teacher for lists of students they thought would be good workers for summer work. I had a pretty rad job doing Audio-Visual installation throughout high school because of that (hell yeah I'll take $12 an hour over minimum wage shit). Some guys who got taken on by home renovators and the like went on to become trade apprentices, one I graduated with even owns his own fairly successful business.

It really, really pisses me off that since a class's test scores doesn't give them cash from the government that means its axed whenever convenient - fuck the kids right?

the system works for whites but blacks and spics lower overall scores for the country

>Multiracial Americans
what did they mean by this?

Kill all the niggers.

....... more guns? :/

>American schools are shit
Isn't this just because they are all infested with low-iq niggers?

I was surprised when I got out of high school and everybody else was afraid of electricity while I was disappointed to be working with just two legs of 120. Or why anybody would be afraid of power tools.

Gave me a great appreciation for designing and building audio circuitry.

They're full of low-IQ shitskins on whom any education is wasted.

White American students of public schools do as well in standardized testing as white children do anywhere else in the civilized world.

my old high school was offering $100 for a 3, $200 for a 4, and $300 for a 5 on AP exams starting my senior year.
Last I heard it caused a lot more students to take the AP courses but most of them got Cs or Ds and failed or didn't take the AP exam at all at the end

1. Anyone that in any way subscribes to John Dewey's educational philosophy should be hung.

2. Music, drama and art should be focused on the techniques of the classics.

3. Mandatory PE all grades, at least an hour a day

4. End busy work nonsense.

5. Much stricter control on curriculum. I shouldn't have had to read the communist manifesto all 4 years of history while learning basically nothing about the US founding, the European history, and while the manifesto was treated like a sacred unquestionable scripture. There is more to the world than that.

6. Separate the genders. This just makes sense, women and men learn differently, and any education system that keeps them together by definition must help one at the expense of the other.

7. Bring back a civics course similar to Japan's.

8. Home fucking economics. Everyone should know how to cook, balance a checkbook, how to interview. It could then branch off into more gendered skills.

9. Gun education. We have a high number of accidents in our country that would be solved just by teaching everyone basic gun safety.

10. Math needs to be more heavily emphasized, but also reading. Our reading scores are almost as bad as our math, and it's a big part of why television dominates cultural entertainment.

>privatize school
>niggers go to cheaper shit ones
>whites go to better ones
>automatic segregation

under rated post

More focus on Science, Math and Technology. We are behind the Chinks and with the Pajeets on the way out we need to play catch up.

You don't have to go as far as physically beating students, but at least give instructors and administrators some leeway to discipline students and shut down disruptive behavior.

The main reason discipline is a problem in schools right now is because teachers can't so much as raise their voices at a student without facing a lawsuit.

Unironically this.

Kids can learn calculus by 8th grade if PE, Art, English, and History are eliminated from the curriculum. Teaching English is only useful up to 5-6th grade, then it is up to the kid to pursue reading further. All the other useless subjects can be learned as hobbies. Cut useless classes, promote math and science, save tax dollars and children's youth.

Economics, logic, civics, and statistics should all be mandatory classes in high school and college.

Stop teaching the hoax known as evolution.

Why is Massachusetts its own division? Am I retarded?

I'm guessing they just singled it out because it was an outlier state or something, but I'm not sure why it would be

Its an absolute travesty. Trade skills - even just an introduction to them - are so absolutely vital. I went on to become an engineer but holy shit the things I saw amongst my peers. Entire classes that don't know anything about a machine shop, those who send machinists impossible blueprints (I cannot even begin to tell you how many times they thought a VERY LONG, VERY SMALL BORE hole was a good idea for fucks sake).

>Poland
WE SMARTASS NAW
no, it's because right wing retards defund them