What's your opinion on Monsanto and GMOs in general?

What's your opinion on Monsanto and GMOs in general?
Please answer the poll
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GMO's are fine.

We've been doing the same thing by crossing different breeds of fruits and vegetables for years. This is just a more efficient way of doing it.

Not a good poll.

Monsanto != GMOs

Genetically modified crops are going to help save humanity in the long term and feed the world by increasing crop yields and also making marginal lands more productive (this is a growing problem in both developing and the developed world). Monsanto does good GMO research, but has, at best, controversial business practices. There are also ethical or philosophical arguments about patenting DNA sequences in agribusiness. Therefore, Monsanto and GMOs should not be conflated.

I should add that if you want to make the poll better, you should separate GMO and Monsanto. Maybe have two polls or add more options to differentiate between the two.

>What's your opinion on Monsanto and GMOs in general?

Two totally unrelated issues. Monsanto seems to get into some pretty shady business practices, if somebody doesn't like them they can make a case for that and I got no quarrel with that.

The only ways to make a case against GMAs are to:

1) Be dishonest about the science.
2) Just ignore the science and make appeals to emotion based on fear and scary labels like "Frankenfoods."
or
3) Associate them with unpopular companies like Monsanto, and hope nobody notices that Monsanto and GMOs are not the same thing.

lol GMOs are not fine. Nobody cares about farmers but farmers are who make our food, globally. You care about globalism taking over you should care about GMOs and the ABCD (archer daniels, bunge, cargill and louis-dreyfus) production/manufacturing/shipping food consortiums.

GMO cause grower dependency (seed sterility) and encourages pesticide use. This has nothing to do with how your body may process it differently. Fuck GMOs.

GMAs should read GMOs. Ithink this keyboard is nearing th end

This.

not sure about monsanto in particular but GMO's are amazing. you take already existing traits which evolved over millions of years and put the where you need them.
without pest\herbicide resistance\nutrition of GMO's we would literally be starving right now.

what we have been doing using eugenics for thousands of years and much more can be done over a few months with modern genetic engineering.

It's owned by bayer so i guess they are good guys haha but i don't care if they fuck up some third world countries GMO shit is illegal here so no problem desu

It's not even nearly the same thing. Selective breeding is not the same as genetic modification.

(((Monsanto))) was started by a Jewish family that owned 40% of America's black slave's.

yes direct genetic modification is better because you can do transgenic modification.

but eugenics are a form of genetic modification

Yes, but there's now way to regulate gene expression or predict how it will affect other signaling and gene paths, there's no way of predicting heritability and numerous other factors. It's very frankeinsteinian and very primitive at the moment. For that reason I think selective breeding is better, for now.

This. There is no other way than GMO. The first revolution was the invention of fertilizers, second revolution is GMO to give us even higher yeilds, we are 6 billion and counting and the land is limited. Having said that it would probably fuck us in a million ways in centuries to come because of unforseen consequences

>6 billion
Very old figure. But overpopulation is not our (whites) problem. Our land is fertile and our populations stable.

I plant gmo corn and beans. Reduced pesticide use. Not a big fan of Monsanto. Darn tech fees.

I am not ready to discuss it but it is not only the land but water problems too. Anyways there would be a moment when it China, India will demand access to fertile land which is not used i guess

The problem I have with Monsanto (and they admit this themselves) is they accidentally breed away the flavor of tomatoes and other plants because they wanted yield so much.

I can't wait until the day of the rake.

Here come the shills! GMO's have the potential to be great for society. Unfortunately, monsantos isn't interested in maximizing the health of citizens. They are interested in profit, and profit alone. Hence, we have corn whose cells produce its own pesticide, and other such abominations that humans should probably never eat.

They could, it could also be leased to them, this can be solved diplomatically

>encourages pesticide use
Nigger people were using pesticides long before GMOs existed. Having actual yields sell at the end of the growing season is what encourages pesticide use.

Read the studies. There's no "opinion" to have in GMO, and even if there were, the legality of the label allows a 0.9% genetic variance so the label is meaningless.

As for Monsanto, they're cashing in on a broken legal system. I dislike them, but their actions are the law's fault.

This

This is true, but pesticides can be abolished altogether if we farmed everything indoors. This of course requires massive investment in infrastructure.

Pesticides aren't even a problem as far as quality of the food is concerned, they are present in merely trace amounts (most of the time), it's more of a long term problem for the ecosystem, including people living close to agricultural activity.

>What's your opinion on Monsanto and GMOs in general?
They are great.

Making burgers sterile and depopulation the third world. What's not to like?

>depopulating the third world
Sweden is doing that, not GMOs.

fuck monsanto, and fuck gmos,
Organic only nigga

>if we farmed everything indoors
Isn't some Jap company expanding their indoor lettuce farming operation and claiming to be able to sell at the same prices as regular farms? I read something a while back about it, but I don't remember too much.

Indoor farming is the future. And the best part is it's climate-change resistant. Fuck the environment.

>organic
Kek. A designation created to part gullible hippies with their money.

GMOs are great, we can make all kinds of awesome shit. Monsanto can go fuck themselves though.

Monsanto is a bunch of corporate kikes seeking to poison the environment and people for shekels.

What people don't realise is how incredibly useful glyphosate is in killing weeds.

You literally have a field with something you have planted, and overgrown with weeds. Spray glyphosate, all the weeds die immediately.

No wonder someone whose actual job is farming loves this shit.

I've read about this too, but I think they're still growing lettuce in soil. You can go two steps further. Hydroponics or aeroponics. No soil required, everything is in an isolated environment, the water required is a fraction of what is required with conventional farming, growth is faster, so there are more harvests, no seasons, weather doesn't matter. Literally no drawbacks, except for infrastructure cost.

Anyone here heard of the theory that modern corn (and GMOs in general) causes so many more allergies because it is genetically a monoculture, one genome times a billion, instead of very slight natural variations you might get with selective breeding (pre GMO) agriculture.

So here is the problem with Monsanto, and it is pretty much the problem with agriculture in general. As you lose genetic diversity, the crops become vulnerable to disease in a catastrophic way. So if a strain of wheat rust fights genetically diverse wheat (which doesn't grow as fast or as strong, but more likely to survive) as well as fights the GMO wheat, the GMO wheat is basically all-or-nothing in its vulnerability to the disease, where the diverse crop will have at least some surviving, and then those can be bred into stronger strains to get a rust resistant strain.

I remember in 2008-2010 hearing about how China was buying up huge plots of land in Ukraine to grow wheat and be like a remote "bread basket" as China doesn't really have the land or water to grow grains.

nah dude, Organic isnt some made of shit, your fucking retarded. Im a certified master herbalist, have taken multiple classes and vegetable gardening and seed saving, as well as worked on farms for the past 5 years, and plan on having my own farm someday. There is definitely a difference. Organic is better for the environment, for human consumption, for animal consumption for everything basically, besides yields some time, but if you really grow organically the right way you will actually save money over time, and get just as good of yields if not better, with a higher quality product.

Monsanto is a piece of shit, but GMOs are what we need to make agriculture more efficient and thus better.

Not a good poll question

ITT people who dont know shit about farming, nature, plants, environmental practices, and organic products. fucking retards.

It's the hormones they put in everything. Now kids being brought up feasting on Oestrogen! There will be no more men left.

>master herbalist
laffo

holy shit, the number of people who think monsanto isnt pure evil?

you people really are as low information as the libcucks whom you lampoon.

how can someone pretend to be redpilled and support monsanto ...

you're fucking retarded.

all the ((((genetic modifications)))) are not to make food more nutritious or anything that you may have in mind.
The idea is to have a retard seed which you have to buy with every season, which is resistant to their pesticide. this forces the farmer to douse the plant in pesticide (also made by monsanto)
it's a completely globalist company which only wants control.

I have a feeling a lot of you low-information beta males just support this truly organization out of spite to lefties.

corporate control and ownership of life on the planet is not good.
monsanto is literally globalism: the company
yet you cucks support them.
at least i can rest easy knowing you are actually poisoning yourself.

to make libshit anarcho commie "fight le system" kikeberg virtue signallers buttmad

*kikebook

we are on /pol not on facebook why do you pretend to be retarded ?

This is no way to have a respectful conversation!

btw what's your herbalism lvl?

>not to make food more nutritious or anything that you may have in mind.

Do poeple need more "nutrients" in the first world? Would somebody pay more for a more nutrient GMO?.

Truth is, that the main GMOs produced are maize and soybeans. Those are used to feed animals. Humans barely eat those.

Fuck off dataminer

Consider the situation that you invested billions into developing a genetically modified crop variant. Would you want to make profit off it? Monsanto would too and they can't if the plants aren't sterile and farmers redistribute the seeds.

gmos are great

the problem with GMOs is that if they really get the science down they'll be able to feed the world's population, thus causing a brown explosion larger than a 3 am meal of taco bell and white castle.

They're script never changes. And is alarming how quick they are to control the narrative before anyone else can have an opinion. People on here don't trust anything but somehow they trust GMOs?

everything that makes libshits and commies assmad is fine in my book.

as this user says the lose of genetical diversity is a problem, this is why we have vaults (pic related).

Monsantos bussines model is very imoral
First (((they))) get a farmer with who they sign a really atractive contract (note: monsantos GMOs dont have reproductive seeds thus only monsanto can provide farmers with seeds, terminator seeds) for seeds, this farmer makes a really good money and other farmers are forced to work with monsanto because otherways are going to starve to death and after a season or two Monsanto owns everybody´s ass in the region, and farmers are cucked by monsanto practically for ever

It's almost like they're setting up for failure by nature or for our food source to be an easy target so we will become 100% dependent on the people that can make a new modified strain to save us.

Dude, you have really weird porn taste.

There is so many Monsanto shills in this thread it is unbelievable. The first replies are ALWAYS positive about the company so that people open the thread and think there's nothing wrong with genetic modification.

THERE'S NOTHING TO MODIFY, NATURE IS EFFICIENT AND PERFECT ALREADY. ITS A VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAW AND WILL END IN HARM TO US.

YOU ARE UNAWARE OF THE MORAL FABRIC OF REALITY IF YOU THINK THIS IS OKAY. WAKE UP. USE LOGIC. IT ISN'T NATURAL, LOGICAL, OR OKAY TO MANIPULATE THE GENETIC STRUCTURE OF ANOTHER LIFE FORM.

>certified master herbalist

>>Just as good of yields

No. The only reason you make money with organic is because the market demands organic, which are higher prices. It takes about 5 years to remove all noticable levels of pesti/herbicide until you can even start making money because you have to prove you are below tolerance levels. My family has been in the farming business since 1899 when they immigrated to Iowa. Monsanto corn (deKalb) is what we use and it is the best for yield.

A couple years back when I worked at Monsanto the University of Illinois sent us samples during a drought year. The only corn to still have high yields, or any at all, was corn we hybridized to have great root systems to retain water for long periods of time. Pretty much the rest of the state of Illinois failed at yield.

That said, working for Monsanto pissed me off. They abuse the H1B system and treat their workers like disposable trash. Now I enjoy making round bales and driving the tractors around in the country. I've heard Pioneer treats their employees better.

Most people have no idea what GMOs even are. As if they are some sort of poison. Same thing with high fructose corn syrup.

plant jews

Greenpeace commie get out.

It let's us feed the billions of people who don't contribute to society.

if you took care of your soil, incorporated beneficial fungi, mulched every year, use polyculture techniques you would get just as good of yields, obviously if you are just growing corn, abusing the fuck out of your soil, the only way you are going to get good yields by pumping tons of chemicals, but if you took the time to do things right and mimic nature than you would have such better results

>>Nature is efficient

Wrong.

1 example: Hybrid varieties have helped create stalks that don't blow over so machines can harvest them

Average yield bushels/acre
1900 25.9 bushels
1965 77.4 bushels
2000 137 bushels

How long to plant, cultivate, and harvest one acre of corn

1900 38 hours
1965 5.8 hours
2000 About 1 hour

Machines and hybridization work together.

>People on here don't trust anything but somehow they trust GMOs?

For a board that is paranoid about everything, somehow Sup Forums has a blind trust in big pharma and big food, it's amazing.

you can just call me master for short

Friendly reminder that you're a fucking hippie commie if you voted for anything else than savior of mankind

Seems like a great way for the state to do wacky shit to food, I don't trust it for a second.

>Monsanto has a business practice with which I don't agree
>Therefore I'm a commie

Monsanto is pure evil but genetic modification is the saviour of mankind.

Or maybe there is just a large amount of molecular biologists and organic chemists on this board and they know what they're talking about

No one uses just corn. That's a death sentence to nutrients. We all use cover crops to help keep our phosphorus levels up and break up the soil underneath.

Essentially we use hybridization with common natural techniques (nematodes to fight rootworm for example) to create the best yield.

Why handicap yourself? There is zero chance my crop yield would ever be lower than your way.

ya right, the truth is, the long term studies really havnt been done to see how gmo consumption effects human dna, but hopefully with time we will figure out the truth. genetic modification through human selection of desired phenotypes is legit as fuck and definitely a benefit to man kind, genetic modification through splicing dna in a test tube is cancer

I'm sure that's it.

they're dicks

maybe if you talking about farming of hundreds of acres, IMO small farms are better and as many people as possible should be growing their own food as opposed to leaving it up to giant corporate farms , not saying your families farm is corporate i respect family farmers regardless of if they grow organic or not, but if you grew a polyculture crop for example beans, corn, and squash is the most famous, you would he literally harvesting three types of produce from your field at the end of the season, and your nitrogen would be constantly fixing itself, the dust bowl happened because people destroyed the soil through mono culture, the nutrients are depleted from the soil and when you use alot of chemicals you might get a big yield but the actual amounts of nutrients in the corn is very low.

Monsanto is pure evil, the concept of GMOs is not

interesting and surprising 50/50

That teosinte image is a lie, Teosinte have a hard lignin cover to protect its kernels with. The loss of such cover was the major evolutionary step to make maize what we know it to be today, together with apical dominance.

GMOS have higher yields all around, which in turn requires less land to meet the needs of the market, which in turn is better for the environment.
But what do I expect from a master herbalist/master baiter

Mexicans eat those

Lets stop right there. Our DNA can't be manipulated with just by eating modified DNA that's not how it works. If you want to be a little more versed in genetics and it's modern techniques and applications feel free to investigate about CRISPR CAS9, a new technique of genetic insertion that's impossible to differentiate from a non modified plant.

holy shit leaf ctr for monsato. wow.

holy shit another leaf ctr for monsato. wow.

holy shit. wow another one.

gmos are literally cancer. it's another way of gov ability to kill us. now we are being sprayed by monsato from the skies as well. how good champs they are.

"control food and you control the people"
t. Master Jew

Are you going to try furthering the conversation with information or arguments, or instead go full Alex Jones?

Monsanto is putting our seed harvesting company out of business because "some of those seeds could possibly be ours". I so I have a pretty low opinion of them, even though I know GMO's are the future.

muhamad from germany trying to be recruited into (((science)). you are doing well.

you are dumbass faggot not paying attention. being on Sup Forums completely degraded you. there are other 1k sites as Sup Forums more focused on specifics. Sup Forums sucks for last 3 years. no point in having any reasonable discussion here.

Monsato is a shit corporation that screws farmers out of seeds they already paid for.

You're just a gullible sad slav, I wont answer to your halfassed bait any further.

>All these people shilling for Monsanto
The people who say that GMOs are amazing and will save everyone in these kinds of threads are the equivalent of the people who say that circumcision is awesome in those Jew penis cutting threads.