Why the majority of Sup Forums is still christian?

Yes, Sup Forums, most of you worship the equivalent of a hippie.
How can you say that you are a proud christian without somewhat applying the principle of loving your neighbour as yourself? That's one of the core principle of the Bible, and it seems that you white nationalists can't accept or care for anyone that is not your skin color or your opinion. The principle doesn't apply just for yourself.
How can you want a general cleansing of the white world, a cleansing of Jews, degenerates, and non-whites, while the main figure of ypur religion is the shitskin son of a Jew, who spent most of his life helping degenerates ?
I'm sure you'll start cherrypicking when facing your own contradictions.
But if you can't live with the fear of dying, why can't you just become deists ?

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I guess Sup Forums isn't for a debate today.

Sup Forums is mostly atheist based on strawpolls.

>Yes, Sup Forums, most of you worship the equivalent of a hippie.
The only physical object made by Christ in the New Testament was a whip. Which he proceeded to immediately use on some (((money changers))).

Christianity, the type which is at the forefront (Catholicism), has been hijacked. I choose to ascribe to my own form of Christianity.

I went to a Lutheran school when I was a child. It is the closest to real Christianity there is.

Atheism is a joke. To completely dismiss any possibility of a creator is downright ignorance.

Only the realization that there is indeed a creator could lead to music or art like this. The very thought of a creator will result in music which is higher in consciousness: therefore there is a god.

When you remove god, you get blasphemous music which makes eyebrows raise and makes sluts and degenerates think only of sex and vileness.

youtube.com/watch?v=15eu7ar5EKM

>Yes, Sup Forums, most of you worship the equivalent of a hippie.

Simon Magus, who was probably the historical basis for Jesus, was more of a travelling mystic and magician out of Egyptian mystery schools. And which is why his own perosnage is treated so unfavoraubly in the Bible.

The Bible's "Jesus" is an Astrotheological allegory though, so your wole statement is a misnomer.

Because my neighbor is my neighbor and not everyone in the fucking world.

A White man is more my neighbor than a black man.

A fellow Christian is more my neighbor than a heathen.

A family member is more my neighbor than any random white person.

People who live near me are more my neighbor than people who live far away.

>most of you worship the equivalent of a hippie.
A hippy that told his disciples to buy a sword, and to sell everything, even their robes if they needed to in order to afford one?

>the equivalent of a hippie
You've been watching too much Jesus Christ Superstar, friendo

>loving your neighbour as yourself
This does not mean "be nice to everyone," it means "treat them as you'd expect them to treat you." Wanting to ban people from one's country, for example, is a perfectly rational thing to do if one also expects the other country should ban them.

>spent most of his life helping degenerates
Yes, helping them not be degenerates. He cured lepers and redeemed whores. At least I think he did all that; i'm not actually christian.

> my own form of christianity is the most correct one
>Witout god, everything becmes degenerate.
As if there weren't any case of "degenerancy" in the past, among people who believed in God

Wrong

But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour? And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Luke 10:29-37 KJV
bible.com/1/luk.10.29-37.KJV

Samaritans were exactly the least liked group to the Jews, and Jesus specifically states that even they were neighbors
Conclusion: everyone is your neighbor

You're also making a relative statement ("more my neighbor") when the Bible makes no such distinction

Christianity is for cucks. Still better than progressive, commie or mudslim.
t. Atheist

>Sup Forums jews still mad about all the rampant christianity around here

we don't want to shit on our heritage. you do it enough for us.

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>Atheism is a joke. To completely dismiss any possibility of a creator is downright ignorance.

- Atheism isn't about denial. Atheism is about rationality. I am atheist for many reasons, but the only reason I call myself an "atheist" at all is because you exist as a "theist", so there has to be a term to define the fact that I simply don't subscribe to your fairy tale. I don't believe that there is any higher power anywhere. To say that I am the one who is ignorant because I haven't adopted a fairy tale to live my life by or explain what I don't know is just silly. It's actually completely oxymoronic. Atheism isn't about being the opposition to an idea. We don't care about you for any reason other than your opinions being used to influence laws that dictate the way we have to live.

FYI, terms like "slut", "degenerate" and "vileness" are derived entirely from a religious perspective, the lack of which would either change the definitions or eliminate the need for their existence.

Your assumptions that religion makes good music or art is extremely subjective; though much art and music that is considered to be "good" is centered around religion, equal-level works exist in equal amounts. They simply aren't as celebrated because there isn't a fairy tale that inspired them. Furthermore, the religious ones exist in more prominence simply because the church had the wealth to commission them.

I'm not going to insult your views or say anything derogatory here; just know that the way you've written your post belies a perspective ONLY driven by a belief in your god. It's clear that you haven't ever successfully intellectually explored your feelings toward god. If you were able to remove the subjective feelings, you would probably have realizations that would disturb your "sense" of the supernatural.

Do yourself a favor and lear to think critically. I don't care if you go to church until you die and never stop believing; that isn't my prerogative here.

Sycophancy

What I am saying is that the most mainstream forms of Christianity has been hijacked by Jewish/Satanic ideals in order to protect Jews and their pursuit of normalizing degeneracy. Look at the current Pope. Look at televangelists who rob people of their money when they feel down and out.

National Socialism was against this. A belief in a creator does wonders for people of any particular demographic. Atheism leads to nihilism and hedonism. This is an undisputed fact. It matters not whether the ideology is inherently based on truth or not (as all religion is faith-based), as long as the people are aware of the potential abuse from said system.

Correct
Most professing Christians are wrong
The Bible says that the gate is narrow to heaven, a minority of people will be saved

Because none of them are actually christian they were atheists like everyone before it became uncool and associated with fedora tipping.

I agree the regular pleb needs religion to avoid degeneracy but you don't need to pretend you are a christian in an indonesian cave painting imageboard for approval

To be fair, everyone is an atheist until they learn that religion exists and either choose to subscribe or get forced to.

as strangely as it may sound, I think I may be becoming a proto christian.

I still am a nihilist, but it is as if a divine being is guiding me through life. Perhaps its a mystical internet algorithm trying to steer society into the right direction. Perhaps its part of my own brain telling me whats right and whats wrong. Perhaps its also other people.

But it feels sacred, divine even. In a similar way to the christian belief system. I even hate satanists and jews, but of course with an added bonus of niggers and mudslimes too.

But srsly, while the original christians are falling to the sins of society, with its alcohol and feeble lifestyles. It is as if I am rediscovering everything that is degenerate free. Without the degeneracy of skinhead nazi stuff.

It is as if I am sitting on a cart, and something that may or may not be within my control is leading me.

Jesus makes the neighbor distinction in this exact parable you fucking retard.

"Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him."

The Samaritan was more his neighbor because he had compassion on him and saved his life the priest and Levite left him to die and so they were NOT his neighbor.

I used to be an atheist, until I grew up.

Here are just a couple of stories. One time I was walking around my town late at night thinking about things, and I remembered by grandmother had promised to send me $50 for Christmas and $50 for my birthday, which never happened.

5 minutes later, I saw a $20 bill on the ground. I grabbed it and proceeded to look around for more. Scattered around was a total of exactly $100.

Just last night, for example, I was sitting in my garage having a smoke, thinking about the dire straits the world is in, and imagining what it would be like if Hitler had won, and I heard a thud over to my right. Someone has broken into my garage side-door before. I thought someone was attempting it again. When I walked over, the key which was in my cupboard was shaking... The door on that cupboard was the source of that sound.

Freaked me right the hell out.

I have a fairly rational mind, and I tend to at first disregard any type of "evidence" of spirituality, but time and time again, I question "rationality" as an ideological concept.

Correct. Only a few select Christians will question their own beliefs. Finding the truth should be of up utmost importance to professing Christians. Sadly, many of them will not find it, as they did dedicate their lives to seeking the truth.

And the lucky ones get the chance to become atheist again

Agreed wholeheartedly.

>777 holy trinity

Edit:

Correct. Only a few select Christians will question their own beliefs. Finding the truth should be of utmost importance to professing Christians. Sadly, many of them will not find it, as they did not dedicate their lives to seeking the truth.

>that pic
Why did christfags have to steal their art from Evangelion?

So then the compassionate han Chinaman is a neighbor and not the white neet next door?

The Samaritan behaved neighborly, he didn't meet a qualification of being a neighbor because he acted with compassion

The Gnostic view of Jesus is that he wants to give us what the Archons dont want us to have.

Remember the Archons are the Lords of the Garden and they kicked us out because they didnt want us to eat from the Tree of Life.

Well the Fruit of the Tree of Life is the Eucharist.

It is the Grail that all seekers are after.

The Bread on Long Living and the Elixir of Life is the Philosopher Stone.

All Mythology tells us it gives mankind Longevity.

Christ-Stains do not belong on Sup Forums. You cannot be politically incorrect if you are are a Christian.

>Juden are the "Chosen people"
>Love they neighbor
>Turn the other cheek
>Thou shall not kill
>"War is bad, lmao"
>Do not pass judgement onto others

Also, the majority of devout Christians are apolitical because they "Don't concern themselves with worldly matters" -- sticking their head in the sand (except when it effects their idiotic religion)

If he saves my life the Chinaman sure as fuck is more my neighbor than the white neet next door.

>The Samaritan behaved neighborly, he didn't meet a qualification of being a neighbor because he acted with compassion

"Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him."

Which of these was neighbor unto him? The Samaritan because of his compassion.

>I used to be an atheist, until I grew up.

...so, what you're saying is that as a young person, unconcerned with death, you didn't believe. Now that you are closer to death and forced to confront your fears about what happens when your heart stops beating, you're more willing to overlook the obvious common-sense aspects and accept the least-likely scenario because too much fear is associated with it being truly unknown. I can use clever phrasing to devalue your opinion, too.

The fact that you use personal stories, or anecdotal evidence, to back up your beliefs shows that you're very susceptible to an innate belief in the supernatural. You don't even try to look for rationale because you've been told all your life that the supernatural exists, so seeking supernatural explanations for everyday things becomes normal. You might've worshipped a volcano in another time, and even thrown in your own daughter to appease it.

The guy who lost $100 out of his wallet was probably pretty upset about that. God didn't make $100 appear for your benefit; someone lost it. You literally benefitted from another's misfortune, and you ignore that in favor of being blessed by magical money.

I'm really not trying to insult you here, but it's hard not to accidentally do so just by saying logical things. You say that you have a rational mind, but I think there's a vey big, huge, giant hole in your ability to rationalize some of the most fundamental parts of being human.

Yes they can.

This is where you've missed the mark.

It's not about Christianity itself. Christianity is merely a means to an end. It leads one out of degeneracy; and the entire population when they aspire to it.

Lutheran Christianity is the antithesis to modern degenerate Juden-supporting Catholicism.

>Atheism is about rationality.
Interesting, what do you say about the fine tuned universe theory?
Do you believe that multiverse theory is an acceptable belief without evidence for it?

>It is the closest to real Christianity there is.
Nice try m8

Lutheranism is an attempt to move back to Orthodoxy, the real true Christianity

Your perspective is, at first glance, logical. And that's the problem, and the reason why so many people who have a medium level of knowledge and education fall for the atheism trap.
You just don't realize that your perspective is not your own and that it was created by another religion, that is antagonistic to Christianity.
By embracing atheism, you deconstruct humanity until you loose the perennial values.
An there is nothing replacing them in atheism. You may make the argument that philosophy and ethics replace them, and again, it sound good in theory, but it's not what happens in reality at all. The detached study of ethics fails to raise ethical people. And most of the big problems we all face today are the result of unethical people that just don't believe in perennial values, resulting in small scale, custom believes that don't work to unify people, leaving them more vulnerable to outside and alien forces/influences.
It also promotes rampant egoism and this is undeniable for anyone who payed attention to the evolution of culture during the 20th century.

Do religious people even realize that they speak in riddles, and then expect rational people to not only understand, but come to some sort of realization over them? All these terms like "grail" "philosopher's stone", "elixir of life" and whatnot are poetic terms intended to carry weight that they simply don't actually have. They're romantic notions that don't exist. If I phrased everything like I authored Leviticus, would I be more credible? The religious seem to think they are when they do.

Easy (You)s

>You might've worshipped a volcano in another time, and even thrown in your own daughter to appease it.
They all still do user, and they actually believe they are fully justified and morally right in doing so.

Religion removes the capability for rational evidence-based thought, all the while telling them that they are rational for doing so.

In the end, they literally believe what they're told without seeking proof. A massive deception.

Christians are Gods Chosen people.

Love thy neighbor is a sound teaching and is consistent with ethno-nationalism.

It is better to overcome evil with good. That is the end of turning the other cheek.

The commandment is thou shall not murder. Killing is often justified and consistent with the Christian worldview.

We are called to judge others, but are first to judge ourselves by the same measure that we judge others.

>tfw even Sup Forums is now unironically full of crazy religious people trying to make sense out of their fantasy book and imaginary friend in my face like in real life

Where did it all go so wrong

I'm 24 years old.

Realization of the socially-enforced lies came quickly to me.

No. During that: the time in which money appeared before me, I was a staunch atheist. I would have been just like you, shooting down every sort of ridiculous superstitious belief - and I did it well on my local forums. Shooting down every religious person as if I was shooting ducks.

I was reading and watching Christopher Hitchens things. I went to college with those beliefs, and right around that time, I was exposed to the reality of multiculturalism in my newswriting class - in philosophy class, I went in with the staunch belief that there was no god.

I was just like you.

To immediately disregard any possibility of a god is child-like and immature.

This is truer than anything you will ever read in your entire existence.

"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion" - Francis Bacon

>Do you believe that multiverse theory is an acceptable belief without evidence for it?
It's a basic of science to come up with possibilities. No theory is considered true until supported by evidence. That's why it's a "theory" and not "religious dogma".

No one's calling you an immoral degenerate for questioning a theory.

Religion prevents alternate theories through required dogma, obviously.

Maybe its clearer to you if you think of it in terms of Trans-humanism.

We are looking for a way to upgrade our DNA that gives us long life. A life equal to that of the gods is possible to us. We believe this because of all the mythology and stories.

We think its possible to have much longer life then we do now with something known as the Philosopher Stone or the Grail.

Its said to give perfect health and thus a form of immortality.

I'm not familiar with the fine-tuned universe theory, but I'll read up on it. The multiverse theory is interesting, but I don't believe that it's a reality. If it becomes provable, or if god comes to earth and says he exists before performing a string of miracles, I'll change my mind. That's what rationality is all about. Being atheist doesn't mean I automatically believe anything that isn't about god; it means that I choose to have proof of the unbelievable to accept it. God is one of the things that has no proof. Even more importantly, it's perfectly rational to mentally follow the progression of ignorance to superstition to a rigid belief structure throughout the ages. Religion is popular simply because the unexplained questions contain a significant amount of associated fear from the perspective of one experiencing the human condition.

Christians started coopting the conspiracy communities back in the late 90's in search of new recruits. It's the classic absolutist conspiracy - impossible to prove, impossible to disprove.

Remember Flat Earth threads? Remember how not one single Flat Earther proposed that we might be on a generation spaceship like in Gene Wolfe's books? It was always "MUH BIBLE".

shit is transparent as fuck

atheists are degenerate and annoying

You seem to be a classic false-flag attacker of atheism. You know, the people who claim to be atheists and then talk about how bad atheism is.

Nothing you do will put you in contact with an intelligent deity that will answer all your questions. That you've decided to believe in one without ever speaking to it speaks to a lack of rationality on your part than any problem with atheism.

Do you have a problem with every religion for denying the existence of every other religion's deities?

t. nigger faggot

>I guess Sup Forums isn't for a debate today.
>Sup Forums isn't for a debate ever
They just like to shitpost left and right. They're just a repetition machine, some anons actually do debate, but those are pearls in the pigsty.

This

>Christians started coopting the conspiracy communities
It's a very decent point.

Why would people believe something is true without any capacity to prove that it is true?

Because they have been recruited into a system of social control that rewards them with social favors for doing so.

Jesus said fuck the jews.
youtube.com/watch?v=ueFbbQZM5NU

>If it becomes provable, or if god comes to earth and says he exists before performing a string of miracles, I'll change my mind.
Well that obviously shows that you believe Jesus didn't perform any miracles... I hope you believe that he exists because saying that the most influential person in all of history doesn't exist is completely insane.

Do you believe that religion is important for countries to prosper?

Also, this guy kinda does a bunch of different arguments, not just that one, but it's still pretty good on understanding the fine tuned universe theory, if you have time:
player.vimeo.com/video/65991688

>Juden are the "Chosen people"
I guess you are referring to the people who nowadays describe themselves as Jews. The Bible, however, does not.
>Love they neighbor
>Turn the other cheek
Be modest, be wise, don't let your anger consume you.
>Thou shall not kill
Under certain circumstances. There are moral dilemmas where killing is inevitable. Check out the Trolley problem. These things happen constantly in real life as well. However, since Christianity rejects moral relativism, there is a right answer to such dilemma from a Christian point of view. Therefore, you could kill and still be a good Christian.
>"War is bad, lmao"
Isn't it? From game theory perspective war is a failure of two or more groups of people to act in their best interest. It is objectively bad.
>Do not pass judgement onto others
Hold yourself to a high standard.

Nothing wrong with any of those.

Haha. You're cute. I think you'll find that the VAST majority of atheists are that way simply because they're too intelligent or informed to remain ignorant within the yoke of religion.

Telling me that I don't think for myself from the perspective of a religious person is like hearing that I'm actually black from the perspective of a blind man.

It's hard for religious people to accept, but atheism, even the word, only exists because you do. There are people in the world who worship satan, too. Since I assume you're not one of those, you should have a specific title that differentiates you from those who do. That's what atheism is. Atheism isn't an attack on religion, merely the absence of such. The only reason you hear from us at all is that you're so loud yourselves. The voice of reason will not be squelched, even if the opposition is louder and devoted to their delusion.

Values, in terms of christianity, or any religion, are not the same with me that they are with you, but that doesn't mean they're wrong, only different. Your insinuations that a lack of religion leads invariably to the decline of society is colored by what you define as being the valuable parts of society. If you want the world to remain perpetually in a state of church on sunday, no extramarital sex and no swearing, yeah, I don't stand for that. My values exist elsewhere, and don't assume you know where; you'll be wrong. I also think you'll find that dirtbags and unethical people exist in all walks of life and faith in equal proportions. Ironically, some of the most corrupt and horrible people in history were catholic popes. You should absolutely find out how to look at the world, or ANYTHING, objectively. You'll reach a lot of different conclusions in life if you do, and it probably won't be comfortable for you.

>Loving your neighbor

My family grew up Ulster in Londenberry N Ireland region and spent their entire days fighting Catholic 'traitors' as far back as the 1850s so unlikely to happen anytime soon, they're still at it.

nobody cares potatonigger

I don't do it for the (you)s. I like to discuss things with people in a venue where they can't get upset and turn things physical when they can't hang intellectually.

>fine tuned universe
You understand that any human claim of relativist expression is subject to solipsism, right?

Everything like "the universe is so complex and finely tuned an intelligence must have done it" is a classic cart-before-the-horse. Humans make that argument on their own ignorance and thus awe, not on scientific evidence.

>didn't perform any miracles
Could you ever prove that X "prophet" wasn't an advanced alien? If not, you cannot prove "divine miracles". Ipso facto your mythology is a product of arrogance rather than evidence.

It all started when Bill Cooper started outting out his Mystery Babylon show and getting cozy with militias and John Birchers.

I mean, it's classic conspiracy radio, but that doesn't change the fact it was the point when everything went downhill after.

25 years later you have people unironically saying shit lile "aliens are demons".

You know who warned us against this? Terence McKenna - an FBI spook, so he knew a thing or two about coopting movements.

I've often contended that religion is the most ignorance-inducing factor in life. It's also historically been one of the most destructive forces for humanity. Only a meteor or super volcano that wiped out most of human life on earth could destroy as many people as religion has. Even when it doesn't kill the believers, it subjugates them to perpetual ignorance, as seeking the truth is punishable by another part of the fairy tale.

None of what you "quoted" has anything to do with Christianity. That is just the ignorant and poor man version of the thing.
That's the thing with Christianity, everyone criticize it based on memes and misconceptions.

Here is the question which cannot be adequately answered:

Humans have conceptualized the idea of the existence of a deity - and to what end? Animals have no ability to conceptualize this. This is evidence of our unending pursuit of truth and science, whether you wish to believe it or not. Science has, historically, been in the pursuit of confirming or invalidating the idea of the existence of a creator.

All you know is the life which you have been born into. Perhaps everything before that was nothing more than a simulation? Did anything prior to your birth actually happen? You can never know.

Consciousness is strange and periodic in that way.

If we live in a computer simulation, would it not be wise to believe that there is indeed a creator?

You cannot know one way or the other yet.

To believe that there is ABSOLUTELY no creator is foolish and childlike.

Perennial Values are just among the many things christians invented. I guess you didn't read the part about slavery and rape in your bible.

>as seeking the truth is punishable by another part of the fairy tale
If people really understood how much dogma restricts human creativity and the ability to develop beneficial innovations... they'd be horrified.

It's not hard to observe how and why mold grows on bread, but for fear that illness and spoilage were from "demons", humans ceased such medical research, and allowed themselves to die for their "afterlives" instead.

The greatest 'demons' are created by religion. Imagine if all those people memorized a medicine book instead.

>Simon Magus
>who was probably the historical basis for Jesus

wew lad.

>I don't believe but I want my own thread to get attention

And you got your ass handed to you by Serbs while trying to protect Kebabs, so you're basically a traitor to Christianity as well trying to kill your own religion.

Your lack of historic knowledge and theology is leaking. You just proved my point.
Also, it's obvious that you make a lot more assumptions about me than me about you. I didn't say a single thing about myself or they way I look at the world, or how I relate to events in life.
But here is a true perspective from me: Naive people are those who don't know history. And you clearly don't, at least not enough. It's not my place to correct this though, so I will only say lurk more.
Good luck!

>To believe that there is ABSOLUTELY no creator
Check out the Null Hypothesis and Epistemological Solipsism.

>simulation
Literally irrelevant. All of your theistic crap is simply irrelevant to decision-making, per Solipsism, and thus should not be believed. It's the simple philosophy of science. Nothing is accepted as true without proof.

Consequently, it is a more valid belief that there is no deity. Especially given that skepticism is the only defense against illusion, such as an alien posing as a deity. Atheism is just more valid upon the evidence.

>Humans have conceptualized the idea of the existence of a deity
And leprechauns too, don't forget them. Humans can be wrong about things, which religion cannot and does not admit to.

The same way I can describe a cup as having rabbit-like features, and see faces in the clouds, so too did ancient tribes say that thunder had a humanlike quality, and thus "deities" were born.

I can believe that religions are absolutely wrong about believing that they are absolutely right without any question or evidence. How do you like that?

Christianity is Cuckoldry: The Religion but I can respect that most people are too retarded to live without guidance. That said, if you actually read the Bible that shit is full of contradictions.

>"the universe is so complex and finely tuned an intelligence must have done it"
Well how do you expect it to have been done then? You can't get something from nothing easily (let alone an ordered system at the time of the big bang(opposite of entropy))
>you can't prove there isn't a god nor that there is argument
Aaaand that's where that argument pretty much stops.

I hate to say it, but you haven't grown up yet. That isn't an insult, and there's no way for me to instill this level of understanding in you, but at 24, you're still very ignorant. At 41, I am too, but not nearly as much as you. Once again, not an insult, but you're still a kid. When you hit about 30, you'll start to realize this. When you hit about 40, you'll know I was right, but you'll have no way to thank me for my insight. You've have had some time for actual insights, but not enough. Your assumption that you're "just like me" is uninformed and incorrect. You clearly don't even understand atheism, as you keep describing it as an attack on religion. I have no doubt that your current religious dedication will not be your final incarnation. When you come to the side of reason, you'll still be welcome in my company.

Also, I don't have a fetish for shooting down religious people, but I do enjoy talking to the loud, devout ones. There's no reason that opposition shouldn't be present when someone is attempting to convince others that their version of the story is correct.

Quit preaching and read the Book faggot.
Those who reject Christ are not your neighbor or brother.
Many rules cease to apply to them.

>makes shitty thread
>waits for 2 minutes
>HEH.. I GUESS THEYRE NOT OPEN FOR DEBATE TODAY...
No, but get the fuck out of Belgium, you chien de Français.

Criticizing a religion based on fundamentalist reading is every bit as stupid as following it on a fundamentalist reading

You aren't clever, just arrogant

>Well how do you expect it to have been done then?
Don't you claim to absolutely know how it was done? Except that you have no evidence but your own ignorance.

What created your intelligent creator if complex things must be created by intelligent creators?
You'll default to the argument that "it created itself", right?
And then I can apply that to the universe alone, state it is cyclical, and your argument is disproven.

As you see, religious arguments are enforced ignorance. They maintain themselves by preventing alternatives from being considered.

You do realize that you're literally referencing fiction to support fiction, right?

I don't have a problem with the desire to live longer, but the philosopher's stone isn't a physical magic item. The grail, if it even ever existed, won't grant you immortality if you drink from it. The mythology surrounding these items is not any more credible than the mythology that describes the magical items of the ancient greeks, or hindus. It's like looking for the fountain of youth.

>I enjoy engaging in debate with people I know aren't very smart

Atheism, everyone

You aren't as clever as you think

The world is going through another Great Awakening. Jesus is answering loads of prayers all of a sudden. Look it up.

>based on fundamentalist reading
Except why does that fundamentalist reading of unproven mythology exist and get heavily promoted then? As long as the magic crap exists in the religion, it is a valid criticism.

>We believe this because of all the mythology
No, we believe in possibilities because they are physically possible. Not because some mythology fictionalized real possibilities.

take the greenpill, bud

>youtube.com/watch?v=4Zx9xfZPLMk
>secretsun.blogspot.com/2016/12/why-i-am-not-mythicist-part-i.html

Thats why.

youtube.com/watch?v=F4OsrmrwKsc

People believe that Anglican is more conservative than Catholicism LOL

>Gnosticism

Not even once.

This is why I converted to Islam.

I too watch Zeitgeist without ever actually studying the bible. They specifically mention Baal (Sun-god) Worshippers in the bible, therefore it can not be an allegory like the movie Zeitgeist claims

Is it really insane to believe that Jesus may have been fictional? I do think that Jesus was probably a human that lived at some time. He was probably a good guy in terms of how we think today, but he wasn't magical, and No, I don't believe that he performed miracles, but he probably did do things that ignorant people couldn't explain, and therefore labeled them as miracles. Ask yourself where you'd be if you were born into Hinduism. Would you be arguing that Ganesh was real, and that one of the most influential figures in the lives of every Hindu cannot possibly be fictional? Ganesh is exhaustively written about. The benefits Hindus believe he can have for them are very real to them. To a christian, they're silly stories, but they've been around for thousands of years longer than Jesus, and his believers number in the billions. A book is not proof of anything, no matter how well it's written.

I believe that religion is poison for rationale, but as much as I argue against it, I believe that most people on earth are too stupid to function harmoniously without the fear of damnation to make them be nice to people. That said, would we have had less death and suffering without it? Hard to say. Fewer senseless religion-driven wars and destruction would exist for sure, but I do admit that humanity is just too selfish and stupid to exist with each other without the threat of eternal punishment forcing them to not be cocks.

I'll look at the fine-tuned universe thing when I get a chance.

Enjoy the neverending cycles of being a pain and frustration battery powering the Archons, then.

>most people on earth are too stupid to function harmoniously without the fear of damnation
I would say this is incorrect. Humans innately have a moral sense from evolutionary biology. Society is a survival advantage. For example, bonobos live quite peacefully compared to humans.

By contrast, it is this "fear of damnation" that gives humans more excuses for violence by placing their decisions as based upon preserving their path to a fictional 'afterlife', rather than what would actually promote peace.

Had people been more dedicated to evidence based science and ethics, certainly there would have been less suffering.
Religion tries to do with fear what is always better done with reason, and by stripping reason, it permits greater immorality.

Atheism is a phase you're suppose to grow out of. If you haven't, you've failed at the milestone and are mentally/emotionally underdeveloped.

Surely you are aware that the Astroitheological interpretation was developed long before Zeitgest came out, yeah? So, no one is talking about Zeitgest here but you.

So, pretty epic strawman there, bro, keep at it.

But i will indulge you anyway

>They specifically mention Baal (Sun-god) Worshippers in the bible,
>therefore it can not be an allegory like the movie Zeitgeist claims

why, how are these contradictory

Baal Peor was many more things than just a "sun god", the word itself means "lord". And him being the "sun god" is irrelevant to the nature of Jesus' allegorical purpose.

pls read more books

Will the Russians ever learn to stop listening to the Jews lies?

>Animals have no ability to conceptualize this.
- - not refuting this, only adding something - animals have shown behaviors, though rarely, that indicate that they do certain things that relate to superstition at times, such as their treatment of their dead in some cases. While this isn't a belief in god, it is the root of acknowledging ignorance and dealing with it in a manner that suggests it isn't simply an instinct. It belies deeper thought into a realm where their understanding is limited. Recent studies have shown evidence of deeper thought patterns in animals like ravens, honey badgers and even cows, our favorite mealtime animal in America. Not arguing about anything; I just thought that was ridiculously interesting, as any form of superstition based upon ignorance is where religious beliefs form from.

>Humans innately have a moral sense from evolutionary biology.
No we don't, you tard.
>Society is a survival advantage.
Society is inherently amoral, you dolt.
>For example, bonobos live quite peacefully compared to humans.
Slugs are even more peaceful than bonobos.
>Had people been more dedicated to evidence based science and ethics
'Evidence based'? You're an idiot who believes in 'global warming' and calls fellatio 'sex'. You wouldn't know 'evidence based' if it crawled into your pants and fucked you in the ass!

You're replying to a Jew with a Russian flag.

>eric said the melody came to him via a divine dream

prob true desu that song is heavenly.

You first. Abrahamism and organized religion is a sham, the Ab Solutus/God/IAO/Christ Consciousness has to be discovered and nurtured from within.

Roman Catholic here.

I mostly just come here to see the opposition. It's possible to have good conversations, and it's very important to consider things from a different perspective when forming your own positions.

As a Christian, I will probably never come across anyone more opposed to my fundamental beliefs than a full blown racist on Sup Forums who really believes the white nationalist material spewed on Sup Forums. To me, a conversation with someone like that is where I'm likely to find legitimate challenges to my beliefs. If I can hold my own in a conversation with them then I can likely hold my own in a conversation with anyone. It's terrifying how smart some of the people on here are. They force me to confront the holes in my own ideology, which I think is an essential dialogue that every person should strive to have.

You can hold a position that white culture is more likely to foster neighborly interactions than black culture without being racist. You can hold everyone to the same standard without being a bigot. You can acknowledge differences between people without being hateful. You can love your neighbor while still advocating that they make a change for the better. Love is not the same as acceptance of their ways or tolerance of their culture. Love means you want the best for them.