Is fascism the greatest system of cultural preservation?

Is fascism the greatest system of cultural preservation?

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Yes, in the sense that prosperity is eliminated and nothing grows.

It's a lot like feudalism.

they are all hellscapes desu

Might as well be Amish

Any system that requires infinite prosperity is doomed to fail when resources are finite.

>cultural preservation
Probably not since fascism tends to oppose/reject the institutionalised upper class whose job often was to manage the cultural identity of the state.

none of you autismos can even give a concise definition of fascism, let alone point to any historical examples where it worked. You third reich retards are the same thing as communist retards. Probably worse because they at least took intro to political theory 101 while you're just a completely uneducated retard.

You mean the ZOG officials responsible for convincing the people that their culture is "inferior" and multiculturalism is the only way?

Cringe.

>fascism tends to oppose/reject the institutionalised upper class whose job often was to manage the cultural identity of the state.
Mr. Schlomo and his (((news-station))) aren't culture

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> unedumacated

education is a joke fuck boy, if I wanted to learn anything useful I'd get a certification and stop going for a BS (bullshit) degree.

Easiest Example of Fascism: Roman Empire (lasted from 27 BC to 1453 AD)

What do two or more cultures coming together have to do with loss of culture? Isn't it the problem one who wants to keep their culture? It's not like it gets erased.

There are people who simply don't care about culture. And the ones that do are free to keep it. It's not like cultures get magically mixed because it's forced to do so.

Not even talking capitalists/industrialists/media moguls here. The old aristocracy, religious figures, high ranked military, etc got BTFO repeatedly under fascism and only those willing to bend to the new regime got to keep their heads.

Anything that reminded the populace that the state wasn't the only source of authority got rekt.

>>Considering Byzantine Empire part of classical Rome.

Good effort!


Solid argument.

Rome was what Fascism is based on, obviously Rome was successful

Yes Nazi Germany was successful and a good place to live. Being killed by war doesnt count. If america was suddenly nuked to death would you say it wasnt a successful country?

Also, Fascism is a reaction to Communist rise. Its one side kills the other either way. Dont let your party lose to race to authoritarianism

Yes see the top graphs in this

>imperialism is fascism
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Also this
>Considering Byzantine Empire part of classical Rome

If preservation means stagnation, then yes.

The attitude of cultural preservation is doomed to fail in the long run, if only because there's a chance that leftists will take over and derp it all. You have to continue to create culture. There's no reason why we can't have a new Michelangelo, so that's what we should aim for.

The European renaissance started during the transition from Feudalism to Capitalism. Both of these are non-centralist and therefore not fascist. Our greatest cultural achievements didn't happen because fascist leaders commissioned them.

While it sounds pretty in principle, we have to realize that waiting for a magical government to do things exactly the way we want them is never going to happen. It's exactly the same thing the leftists do, hope to be able to sit around and let the government lead them into an utopia.

Assume responsibility and start improving your culture yourself, now.

Your flaw is you think progress is inherently good

Fallacious thinking

Commie cement blocks would be better if they planted some fucking trees and vegetation between the buildings

>Rome was what Fascism is based on, obviously Rome was successful
Liberalism and democratization of western societies was also based on Rome. Influence is not good enough an argument here.

Besides comparing the age of city states to the era of nations is not gonna get us anywhere.

>fascism is a drawing of some inexistent place or time before modern civilization
Great argument

Here, I'll explain it better
>capitalism - picture a fat man
>communism - picture a frail malnourished man
>fascism - picture a pile of frail malnourished dead bodies

Exactly. Capitalism has warped our perspective to think that stability is bad.

please

You are nit-picking the worst of Socialism and the best of Fascism, which is not fair...

Look at top pane of this image, how REALLY looks fascism like, finally...

What is this mercantilist bullshit? We're afraid we're in position to have more than we can take.

And this way looks fascism, if it dares to attack Socialism on behalf of capitalist jewish bankers (who supported Hitler just for the task to attack and destroy Russia)...

The image of fascism isn't a pile of dead bodies though

I sincerely hope you don't hold that attitude while also using modern medicine.

Next time you feel sick may I suggest blood letting so that your four body auras are in harmony?

Is Byzantium not an example of fascism working for centuries on end, though?

It's too late for fascism. When Caesar came to power, he had an Empire and a wealth of cultural achievements to protect.
Right now we have nothing, leftists are shitting all over the place and normies think we should be ashamed of our pasts. There's nothing to protect so it's not going to happen.

What we have to do now is start anew. Draw inspiration from our past if you want, but realize that it's too late to restore it. The renaissance drew inspiration directly from ancient Rome, but they weren't sperging out trying to restore the old Empire as it was. They instead used it as inspiration to create new cultural content.

Your agenda is showing.
Capitalism won.
Deal with it.
Business puts money into the poor hands in exchange for labor, they then can use it to buy a stake in our collective commerce or start their own enterprise.
Fascism puts money into the hands of the rich and influential.

Eat a dick. You aren't going to persuade people to throw away 60 years of progress for some vapid ideal of purity.

>Look at top pane of this image, how REALLY looks fascism like, finally...
It looks like damage done entirely by ZOG Capitalists who don't approve of a nation breaking ties with international banking cartels and practicing sustainability.

>The European renaissance started during the transition from Feudalism to Capitalism. Both of these are non-centralist and therefore not fascist.
To be fair that transition stage was called mercantilism, which is when crown-sponsored guilds (proto-corporations) were hired to manage trade and resources earned from colonialism. It probably was more "fascist" in the sense that it had a corporatist streak that was somehow reminiscent of fascist economies.

That being said, that's where the similarities end. I agree with everyone else you said. We must carry on producing culture or all will be lost. The only way to win is to keep exporting our culture onto others.

Depends on the Führer tbqh.Hitler and Mussolini largely kept their nation's culture intact at least in spirit, but they could've easily done the opposite and even did so to a point.

Both had extensive state-sponsored propaganda arms and thorough youth programs designed to instill the virtues of Fascism from birth.

Whether those would've been beneficial for the nation's existing culture and made it stronger or changed it beyond all recognition in the long term is hard to say.

Well fuck them both. Actually fuck everybody. Nobody asked for this.

>Any system that requires infinite prosperity is doomed to fail when resources are finite.

>resources are finite
What kind of retarded autistic statement is this?

Resources may be finite but there's enough of them to go around for millions if not billions of years right here in our solar system.

>autistic fascist logic

You could say it wasn't successful enough to survive the nuclear hit. Leaving the survivors more 'successful' than the US

Mussolini literally based Fascism on the golden age of Rome. He was there to enforce this law and stop the typical commi rebelling

Rome was a time of experimentation, so yes you could also say democracy and liberalism came from there, bit so did everything else in between

Open your mind. Infinite prosperity is impossible. That's why we are now capitalist. Mercantilism only cares about money, capitalism is about producing values (with the less cost).

>What is this mercantilist bullshit
It's more Malthusian than mercantilist.
Either way Malthus was a fucking hack.

You mean the modern medicine in the hands of cronies who will manipulate the system and overcharge at their will?

>zog capitalists attempted to start a Nazi new world order
Lmao

For the love of Kek, people : learn to use bicubic interpolation to resize images ! I'm tired of seeing pixels in the age of 'HD' widescreens.

Eat a dick. You aren't going to persuade people to throw away thousands of years of culture for some stupid ideal of Cultural Marxism.

So we go back to fascism when we can efficiently mine asteroids?

>let's ruin other planets instead of finding ways to sustain our own!

Exactly. That is why I suggest you don't partake in modern medicine. Blood letting is free, afterall.

ur mistaking fascism for communism stop doing that

no traditionalism is

as many capitalists there are on Sup Forums, you have to admit that capitalism values profit first an foremost. You end up with monuments and churches getting torn down to put up a shopping mall.

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That is because the poster changed the text under the image from NDSAP to fascism.

No, because people like those and they're sentimental.
Also may be a source of profit via tourism.

>implying you know what Communism is

I see the party members are doing well.

The artist left out the starving man on the street looking in through the window though.

>Communist China
>Successful

There is literally nothing wrong with Breezewood, PA ("Capitalism" in the OP). It's basically a big truck stop/rest area, not a destination in and of itself.

capitalism doesn't care about yo emotions nigga.

as soon as they stop becoming profitable, they get torn down and replaced by something that IS profitable.

We see this every day in the U.S.

>prosperity is eliminated
What are you even talking about? NatSoc Germany was ridiculously prosperous.

> Nobody asked for this.
orientalreview.org/2011/01/11/episode-6-leon-trotsky-father-of-german-nazism-v/
(When Trotsky failed to rob USSR for jews, (((they))) started to support Hitler, that very same month, to do the job instead...)


orientalreview.org/2015/06/20/episode-17-britain-adolf-hitlers-star-crossed-love-iii/
(Here at the end complete list of episodes)


Mentioning american bankers supporting Hitler...
Specially Samuel Prescot Bush (father of GHWB) and brothers Dulles (first CIA director) were engaged in this... (Their fortunes were confiscated for this, but then returned after WWII...)
bibliotecapleyades.net/bush/bush2.htm
Also - Hitler was Rothschild descendant (and thereby a jew) - search "Schicklgruber Rothschild"...

It's an party!

NatSoc Germany had nothing to do with fascism you fucking fat burger cunt

Ever heard of night of the long knives?

One of Hitler's friends tells him that he is running off of capitalism and hasn't nationalized any businesses. That he is just using the old successful capitalist system.

He goes on a killing spree and cleanses the party of people who are too socialist.

It is quite clear to any student of history that Hitler rejected the socialist part of national socialism.

Considering that AT BEST fascism survived from the 1930s (Mussolini) until the 1970s (Franco), I'd say even Communism has beter means of cultural preservation.

Let's also not forget all the plans Nazi Germany had to utterly destroy other cultures, including but not limited to
>The genocide of undesirables
>The Germanization/colonization of Eastern Europe
>The Destruction of Christianity for at best Positive Christianity and at worst racialist occultism
Fascism has thrived on the destruction of cultures above all.

Also, what's even wrong with that picture of capitalism? Perhaps a fascist country wouldn't have gas stations because only the Great Leader and his cronies are allowed a car, and maybe there wouldn't be commercial restaurants (fast food or otherwise) in such a world because you have to wait in line for bread. There's nothing wrong with that picture per se, other than perhaps bad city planning, but that can always be helped.

Pic related, the McDonalds on the Champs Élysées. It actually doesn't stand out like a sore thumb (and that was done on purpose, Paris proper is very anal about its city planning).

Everyone knows Asians don't dance.

The closest they get is martial arts.

What you call profit is simply accrued wealth that can put to use elsewhere. Thankfully capitalism acquiesces the need for the existence of the state (simply to guarantee the right to ownership of private property), and it should be the state which ought to seek to balance economic prosperity and cultural stability. If the states renegades on its function, it is not the fault of the economic model in itself - but of the state.

I don't believe capitalism is perfect, but like constitutional republics/parliamentary monarchies, it's the best we've come up with.

Starship troopers was a good facist film.
Pretty much glorifies hiroshima at the start of the film, you gained citizenship through serving.
All the the older people are disfigured/mutilated and glorify serving. All the high ranking officers also kind of wear ss uniforms.
Not to mention they invaded and the bugs retaliated just so they could start a full scale war.

the fascism one has some nice walls

That's not the point whether or not it's a truckstop. I live in America and most of our towns and small cities have this exact layout with sprawling ugly parking lots largely because the Auto Industry conspired to dismantle public transportation systems in order to get more people to buys cars.

Fascism is the merger of corporations and state working towards the best interest of society as a whole rather than individualist. It also promotes an well regulated economy(to avoid ultra capitalism, cheap labor and exportation of jobs), social and cultural hegemony.

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fascism is cool til you get purged after you are no longer useful to the administration

Then why does it keep failing?

>cont
It promotes social contribution. Meaning that If you contribute to the society you are fully able to enjoy It's benefits. LEECHES ARE NOT WELCOME. Most of the time fascism comes also with a wave of nationalism and populism. But do not mistake, nationalism =/= fascism but most of the time fascism == nationalism.

>working towards the best interest of society
Are political purges in the best interests of society?
Genocide?
Total war?
Sending literally millions of young men to their deaths in conflicts that are easily avoided?
What about prolonging wars that cannot be won by sending CHILDREN to die?
Behind all that rhetoric, fascist leaders are just powerhungry cowards. And those who shill for fascism assume that the masses at large are morally corrupt, but somehow the leaders who have little to no limits to their power are just and all-wise angels.

This. And even if you're part of the "right" group, you're still seen as a disposable tool.

Because "real" fascism has never been tried, amirite?

Isn't martial arts a way of dance? Not only they dance, they also play better guitar than you.

>Comparing a highway offramp to a siberian mining colony to a medieval village

It never failed. War happened. We lost. Fascism rebuilt countries devastated from WW1.
Examples:
>Franco Spain
>Hilter Germany
> Some others
Mussouline was a corrupt fuck.

commie blocks are best blocks.

>Because "real" fascism has never been tried
Audible kek

More like only the ones who aren't executed for doing a bad job are left.

> Political purges
You mean subversive marxist partisans who were spreading subversive and deplorable propaganda?
>Genocide?
What the fuck are you talking about?
> Total war?
What? Fascist countries never advocated or wanted war. Hitler stated many times that he did not want war. Franco did not want war but had his hand pushed by communist partisans.

Yup. Needs an aristocracy or else everything goes to shit.

War that IT started, and then lost.

Fascism failed.

Sounds incredibly retarded.

>some corrupt bureaucrat has to approve my business before I can start it

I think you guys should read mosley's books
They give an interesting insight about what fascism is all about

Fascism is not exclusively a war machine, the war just started because hitler wanted the territories lost in ww1 back

Fascism isn't "standardized", nor even aimed to global domination as liberalism or communism naturally are

Rather it's an ideology that's meant to be adapted to the country it is implemented into, not the other way around, because if it was the other way around it would be communism instead.

Fascism didn't cause any harm in its early stages to the countries it was first implemented because of that, because it didn't promote the idea that the individual should be deprived of any kinds of individual or social identities or creeds linked to its country

Communism deprives you of your collective and national identities because it's global, it wants a lot of people that have nothing in common and don't share anything to live under the same system and set of rules, the only thing they share is their government system, so it destroys your collective and individual ideologies in order to standardize you to fit the system, instead of standardizing the system to fit your nation and a people of a specific culture
Liberalism is global too, but once it's based on materialism it keeps your individual identity, destroying the collective one

Fascism is meant to bring together people that have shared a historical path, a collective identity, and individual identities too, so when it comes to fascism the nation and its legacies come first, and since it's not a standardized system, it's a local one that's fairly flexible, it is created to fit the necessities of the local state, not to keep a union of different countries and different cultures under the same laws and set of rules like the USSR

Fascism was the greatest threat to globalism and global systems, that's why it's so demonized by the media and every country that had been fascist has been taken down

>You mean subversive marxist partisans who were spreading subversive and deplorable propaganda?
Yes, I mean exactly that: people who have the audacity to disagree with the establishment.

>What the fuck are you talking about?
Are you going to deny the purging of undesirable groups in Nazi Germany?

>Fascist countries never advocated or wanted war
Look up where the phrase "total war" comes from.

Also, if Nazi Germany really didn't want war then the solution would be incredibly simple: don't invade Poland. They already pushed their luck with the Rhineland, Austria and Czechozlovakia, and they would've gotten away with it too if they didn't push for Poland. And in the process handed half of it to "deplorable marxists" for convenience.

Once again, fascism does not work because it's a totalitarian system. Totalitarian systems only work under the assumption that the Great Leader is flawless. No man is flawless, certainly not men like Hitler and Mussolini.

>It never failed. War happened.
Literally all other forms of governments have had to deal with war. If it cannot handle warfare, then it clearly isn't a suitable model.

>What? Fascist countries never advocated or wanted war.
What is lebensraum? What is spazio vitale? What is hakko ichiu? (although to be fair I will grant you Japan in WW2 was more imperialist/traditionalist than fascist - but the terms of the 1936 anti-comintern pushed it in that direction - at least militarily).

War wouldn't have happened without USSR.
At the very least it would've been just fought in the east.

Also III Reich wasn't in a good economic situation by any stretch of imagination. It basically had to go to war.

No, it's just a totalitarian form of syndicalism.

USA still has more prisoners than anybody else and you also try real hard to release them and you also kill a lot of them. You are doing everything, but nothing with determination. You know that's the Asian saying, do one thing good, but not all at once. Multitasking is killing USA, time to focus on family and one job.

yes? is there a problem with that?

we're not meant to stay on this spec of dust. if we do we're doomed

yeah whatever you say leaf. I'm sure fascism started the slaughter of ethnic germans on poland, and the subversive and pornographic material created in pre-Hitler berlim. I'm sure It fascism started the red terror. I'm sure fascism started the communist influence in pre-Franco Spain. Educate yourself leaf. Fascism is the ultimate materialization of human nature in form of a ideology. Fascism never failed.

>a lot like feudalism
Take a fucking history course kiddo

>My perfect, infallible brand of fascism has never been tried

What's your theory?
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