Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
"Should the Jew, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the people of this world, his Crown will be the funeral wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through ether, without any human life on its surface, as it did millions of years ago" -t Hitler
Fuck off leftypol
Hunter Nelson
Only those with mental retardation would advocate for communism or socialism. Which is why virtually every black "liberation movement" in sub-Saharan Africa (average IQ of 72) embraced it.
Angel Kelly
Can I seize your bp?
Liam Ortiz
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Thomas Peterson
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Zachary Nguyen
smelly dumb commie scum get the fuck out of here
Evan Edwards
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Michael Russell
A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.
Aiden Reyes
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Luis Garcia
You know whats funny? The fact that all these pro commies are from countries that never expierienced communism.We,slavs who lived under it remember how fucking bad it was.Miltary on the streets there was no food in malls people getting arrested... You faggots know nothing about the red meanace and how terrible it is. Sage.
Xavier Sullivan
Communism is the future comrade, nobody has experienced communist society yet.
Andrew Parker
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Levi King
>pic
Jace Reyes
Kek has spoken
Levi Phillips
Hard night at factory, comrades.
It will be good to rejoice with you when our day has come.
Bentley Cook
Why do we post in a general? Communism is a facet that should be present on the rest of the board. Provide a debate and arm yourself with knowledge. Posting in a containment thread on a containment forum is the most sedated you can be.
Elijah Cruz
Why did fascism get completely crushed by communism then?
Bentley Turner
Daily reminder: Karl Marx was a NEET fag who had no understanding of human nature.
Jeremiah Torres
Why did your nation lose to flightless birds?
Caleb Campbell
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Angel Scott
not an argument
Colton Green
NIGGER
John Davis
So what is your justification for seizing the means of production? Is it ok to use violence to take property from other people?
Noah Moore
Yes
Sebastian Richardson
What is your justification for seizing and extracting the surplus value from someone's labor?
Adam White
Karl Marx was an organizer that spent his life enacting what he had worked on.
Sebastian Thomas
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Kevin Rodriguez
'Mericans and Anglos
Aiden Peterson
Communism is a race to the bottom of social morals Communism is statism Communism requires that everyone inherently believes in the same purpose Thus requires that everyone is programmed to believe the same things Communism is incongruent with human nature
Jonathan Williams
They have agreed to do so in exchange for my labour. Voluntary exchange of labour is mutually beneficial in the minds of both parties.
Adrian Butler
Why didn't the Mericans and Anglos take Berlin?
Jacob Hill
>Communism is statism
Hunter Thomas
Just like Nazism
Adrian Anderson
Nazism freed Ireland.
Jayden Mitchell
Gommunism does not work, just like most gommunists
Liam Turner
>people will just organise themselves into communism, a system where almost everyone in the west would be far worse off.
Right.
Luke Cruz
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Brody Taylor
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Lucas Baker
Marxist-Leninist theory, among others, calls for the seizing, or creation, of a proletariat state to regulate the transition from Capitalism, to Socialism, and then the eventual Communism where the State is no longer a necessity.
While that theory and it's mode of getting to the end result, involves statist ideas, Communism itself is not statism.
John Hill
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Nicholas Mitchell
What makes me laugh at the idea of communism is my work as a clinical scientist in a hospital laboratory.
How exactly do I violently force the international company that supplies us with machinery and chemicals and various other medical supplies to do that in a communist system? How does our health service continue without these facilities?
It doesnt.
Joseph Phillips
No thanks. I am much better off under capitilism. I am paid very well for my labor even relative to most other westerners.
So how do you incentivise me to cooperate? Organised violence. A state.
Carter Cruz
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Joshua Smith
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Samuel Phillips
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Ethan Parker
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Anthony Ramirez
Why did the Soviet union fail? I mean if it was ever going to work they could do it right? They had the resources, the man power and the brains. So why did it fail? What would you do differently?
Logan Campbell
Marxism/Leninism are not as good as Stalinism
Tyler Cruz
Burn more trash cans.
John Wilson
>Hello Comrades.
kys
Daniel Thompson
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Grayson James
There is no way to "lull" someone over to Communist theory who lacks class-consciousness while at the same time partaking in the spectacle of society.
However, through social influence minds can be opened to new ideas that earlier would have been completely blocked out because of prior ideological black outs.
While you claim to be paid well for your labor you still make how much comparative to the person who employs you? For all the labor you exert you do not see the true value of your work while the person who is paying you, a measly wage at best, is collecting income from the surplus value you and your co-workers generate.
In doing so you and your co-workers are now working at a deficit when it comes to your returns. Not only that, but that deficit is going straight into the pockets of another person.
I'm certain you'll deny all of this outright, perhaps insult it, but I'd implore anyone reading to at the very least read some of Marx's works, or other theorists of the category, to better understand the platform we speak from.
Jonathan Anderson
Always the same Spanish faggot, kys
Brandon Roberts
>only works on paper >everyone equally poor >proven to fail everytime
>tell me 1 communist country that is successful
Thomas Gonzalez
(1) Soviet society was indeed socialist. (2) This society had many undesirable and problematic features. (3) The problems of Soviet society were in part related to the extremely difficult historical circumstances in which the Bolsheviks set about trying to build socialism, but that is not all: important policy mistakes were made (just as possible in a socialist society as in capitalism), and furthermore the problems of Soviet socialism in part reflect serious weaknesses in classical Marxism itself. (4) The failure of the Soviet system is therefore by no means irrelevant to Marxian socialism. We must reflect carefully on the lessons to be learned from this failure. (5) Nonetheless, unlike those who delight in proclaiming the complete historic rout of Marxism, we believe that a different type of socialism—still recognizably Marxian, yet substantially reformulated—is possible. The Soviet Union was socialist, but other forms of Marxian socialism are possible. (6) This claim can be sustained only by spelling out in much more detail than hitherto both the sorts of economic mechanisms and the forms of political constitution which socialists consider both desirable and feasible.
Cooper Carter
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Ian Morris
>only works on paper No. On paper it works even worst. It's a delusional doctrine with no real grounds on reality. youtube.com/watch?v=CmOUDMAtRt4&
Lucas Brown
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David Rodriguez
I am paid really really well, have a defined benefits pension, generous working conditions and lots of opportunity for paid leave from work for futher education. You are giant failure. Communism is your excuse for failing to achieve.
>Oh if only communism. Its impossible to succeed in capitalism. >Anyone who disagrees with my arguements is just stupid. Anyone who calls me stupid is wrong since I predicted they would insult me.
Dummy.
Landon Morris
The crisis of Soviet socialism appears to stem from two sources. On the one hand there is popular revulsion against the undemocratic and authoritarian practices of old-style Soviet politics, and on the other hand there is a widespread sense that the basic economic mechanisms in operation since the 1930s have outlived their usefulness, and that to retain these mechanisms would condemn the peoples of the (erstwhile) USSR to stagnant standards of living and chronic shortages of consumer goods.
Jordan Wilson
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Nolan Price
>politically incorrect >communism How is communism politically incorrect though? It's Marxists deciding what is or isn't PC, you can't get more "correct" than being a communist.
Hudson Brooks
>and not a single point of mine was tackled that day
Nathan Turner
Kill yourself traitor
Aaron Diaz
Compared with the evident continuing vitality of the advanced capitalist economies, such conditions became increasingly intolerable to the people. To some extent these two issues are linked. As the USSR moved from the era of Stalin to that of Brezhnev, the earlier system of terror and compulsion was mitigated. At the same time, however, the pioneering spirit that had animated broad layers of the Soviet population during the early years of socialist construction, and also during the resistance to fascism, eroded. In other words, both pillars of the Soviet mode of extraction of a surplus product (in a planned yet undemocratic system) were undermined. It should also be noted that Stalin was not averse to using substantial wage differentials as a means of stimulating work effort, while Brezhnev moved towards a more egalitarian policy. Socialists can applaud egalitarianism, of course, but if individualistic monetary incentives are undermined there is nonetheless a need to promote other kinds of incentives—for instance those stemming from a sense of democratic participation in a common endeavour. And if good work is not to be rewarded by much higher pay, it still must be rewarded (and be seen to be rewarded) by opportunities for promotion and advancement. Such alternative incentives were almost completely absent in the corrupt and cynical political culture of the Brezhnev period. Apathy became widespread.
Your ideology has already been debunked. There's no amount of spamming that will make people learn your delusions.
Your religion only survives in echo chambers where you can ban any reasonable person. Here you can't ban people, neither reduce their visibility. Basically, a delusional cult like marxism doesn't survive in a truly free forum.
Parker Morgan
So what would you do differently?
Xavier Wood
You said i am paid badly.
I said I am paid very well and in addition to that I have an enviable pension and great working conditions. Everything else you said is pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo that impressed you. Are you retarded? >communism Oh I see you are.
Joshua Cook
BETER DOOD DAN ROOD
Caleb Lee
>You said i am paid badly. >I said yes I am >I am paid really really well
Go ahead and delete your post, friend, it's a simple mistake anyways.
You haven't actually tackled any of the points I brought up anyways, you have merely reasserted that you have been payed well while not acknowledging the fact that in terms of your labor-value you have been given a wage unequal to what you have accomplished and that the excess capital of your work has gone into the wages of your bourgeois employer who has, in fact, ensnared you into servitude.
"If you give a man fish, he'll eat for a day. If you teach him to fish, he'll be set for life."
In this case, you have the knowledge required to fish but instead of being allowed to fish you are now restricted by a fishing pole, trademarked by your corporate owner who takes from you 9 fish of every 10 you catch. You thank him for this opportunity however as he has left you with enough fish for the day.
>Everything else you said is pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo that impressed you. Very glad you added in this bit. Otherwise I would have won. Darn this unconquerable wit of yours.
Noah Baker
>Typos are the greatest argument for communism
gg no re.
Grayson Miller
I think the fundamental pillar of new socialism must be based upon cybernetics at the service of communism:
Glushkov’s idea was to inaugurate an era of electronic socialism. He named the colossally ambitious project the All-State Automated System. It sought to streamline and technologically upgrade the entire planned economy. This system would still make economic decisions by state plans, not market prices, but sped up by computer modelling to predict equilibria before they happen. Glushkov wanted smarter and faster decision-making, and maybe even electronic currency.
Adrian Moore
>Go ahead and delete your post, friend, it's a simple mistake anyways.
Try again, friend. I acknowledge that a simple mistake was made and never bring it up afterwards.
Aaron Price
To whom am I a traitor, to Porky?
Hunter Morris
Can you explain to me with some detail how do you know whether a good is worth its costs in such a system? Can you prove to me you are not delusional?
Thomas Powell
No you have brought up a typo as your main argument for communism twice.
gg no re. Nothing can beat that. Communism world wide!
Eli Martin
The nationalist cuck god
Nathan Peterson
It's okay, comrade.
Communism soon.
Grayson Smith
Commies not welcome you fags
Dominic Nguyen
>Smug anime reaction images Oh dear. What a beginner.
