Are you in favor of decriminalizing all drugs?

Are you in favor of decriminalizing all drugs?

Only if public healthcare is abolished.

No i used to take all non heroin and meth drugs and was a degenrate

Kys

Why can't she be holding my balls with her right hand and stroking my dick with her left?

who cares about degeneracy, mate.

Yes most definitely

Yeah cuz we're paying for junkies to go to prison

> Are you in favor of decriminalizing all drugs?

The naturally grown ones, sure....

It would take a HUGE bite out of our budget, and increase taxes.......


not to mention, de-funding drug cartels that destabilize south of the border governments, which cause their people to flee to America.

I think people who let their smoke drift into my space should be killed.

no

And that is why you are not in America

make alcohol illegal

putting people in prison for mere drug possession is a waste of money

This, control everything going into humans, calories, salt, sugar, tobacco, exercise and ration healthcare to how good they treat their bodies.

Yes, I'm sure what the western world needs right now is more control and surveillance over its citizens

Yes. Of course. It would destroy the cartels and gangs overnight. They'd die.

Some yes some no.
Case by case basis.

I will be soon and if anyone starts smoking near my house I will fuck them up.

>Are you in favor of decriminalizing all drugs?
Yes, let people do any and all drugs. But it shouldn't be up to tax payers to pay for junkies to get better. If they die they die, end of story.

Only if mind uploading is completed first. The health risks drugs pose is too big to ignore. On the other hand if I was 20 feet tall robot that simply safely emulates the effects of drugs but is never actually in any danger and can be repaired from any sustained damage from anything, then yeah sure.

opposite

Yeah sure. Kill yourself. Whatever.

I don't see how that is any of my concern. Your body your rules.

Also, coincidentally, fuck socialized medicine. Choices have consequences. If you thought smoking or diabetes made for high premiums, try being a heroin addict.

Again, not my problem. Now go die because you are stupid and chose to do hard drugs despite how terrible it is for your health.

I don't want your degenerate habits affecting my quality of life. If you want to be surrounded by a cloud of chemicals go live in india or some shit.

I see that you're a proponent of NAP

I use , and no. Not everyone can handle it.

Yes

I'd go ancap if it meant we got our own Warthog.

If we are to keep government healthcare, yes.

We should not tho, it's a total failure.

Nah the grass is fine. Smoking for hours every day and letting it drift into other people's houses should result in death though.

tell me where you are going to move to and i will make damn sure to smoke that bitch out every fucking day, it will be my mission in life to make it as uncomfortable as possible for you

What if it is really nice smelling pipe tobacco?

too far apart

>All drugs

Are you serious?

You're going to have to narrow that down a bit, there are thousands and thousands of drugs out there.

Also this is a dumb argument because smokers, drug users, obese people etc actually cost less to national healthcare systems than normal people, since they tend to die younger.

Turns out old people are much more of a strain on the economy than people who die in their 50's or earlier

No. But we can decriminalize at least half of the ones currently illegal in the U.S.

We can even go full legalization on a couple.

Some are too addictive and destructive to decriminalize, but we do need reality-based education in our schools plus proper medical treatment programs.

With all the above established, we would see about a 90% drop in the drug problems faced by current society, with the ability to reduce overall harm even further as we mature further as a society.

>tax payers to pay for junkies to get better
tax payers will have to pay either way because crimes/legal/prison costs, and the loss of potential tax income.

I wonder if LEO's realize that drug gang problems would be SOLVED if drugs were sold at walgreens, instead of......

That is because you are a anti-social degenerate.

Why would we pay more for prison if drugs were decriminalized?

an** For gods sake if you are going to move here get the language right, you foreigners are all the fucking same. You haven't even moved here yet and you are already telling me I cannot smoke in the apartment next to yours. Good luck you aussie fucking cunt. I have assault rifles and close quarters firearms. What have you got aside from a bad attitude that will get you shot here?

How about parents raise their kids right? If you want drugs you'll get them. Oxycontin is prescription only half of America is hooked on them. Since the dawn of time booze has been available everywhere including during prohibition, it fucks people up all the time. The average well adjusted person doesn't wreck their liver on it though. Some people do. That being said, if you decriminalized heroin and it was available for purchase at your local supermarket, you would have a tonne of people just wanting to "try it once" and getting fucked over for life because with shit like that, barely anyone tries it once.

Ok fine, I don’t know much about how communism should be micromanaged, maybe you do.

It's still a failure and should be abolished.

Yes but have it heavily regulated and taxed.

Yes.
America used to be a free country. There was no such thing as an illegal substance.
I resent the government trying to limit the ways I can harm myself, if I so choose.
We need more freedom. People in favor of prohibition need to go to the fuck to communist china or some shit.

>hey mommy I made a thread again with another stupid open ended question and my favorite pic so my friends online will know it's me

>hurr communism
"Dude, where's my argument" indeed

...and here we see the burgeranon trying to eventually and subtly justify his vaping habit

Nope, and anyone that says otherwise is a user, dealer, sympathiser, paid off, or scared to prosecute.

More legal drugs should be criminalised, especially the cocktails of meds taken by autists.

And viagra should be criminalised too. If you can't get a natural erection God's telling you to get out of the game and embrace a mentor / oracle role.

Boner pills create monsters like podesta.

the concept of drug legalization is based on a librarian ideal
legalizing drug will only legalize the cartels

if you live by libertarian ideals you can not impose tariffs or stop any country from doing commerce with your free people

drugs legalization will not fix any problems especially if you think you can just tax it

the core idea behind legalization is diametrically opposed to the idea of taxation

the best way to destroy a nation without a war is through subversion

of you legalize drugs you allow any entity to have the strongest influence possible on your nation's most influentiable group, the kids

easy access to drugs will allow any retard who should not and who as of now doesn't know how to get drugs to actually get drugs

the selfish drive behind drug consumption and legalization of it is diametrically opposed to the well being of the nation

realistically, drug legalization is a pipe dream

synthetic substances that exist today did not exist in the past

had they existed the founding fathers would hang its producers

No vaping here. I dip Copenhagen Snuff. No spittoon. Like a man.

I just like the smell of quality pipe tobacco.

yes it would destroy huge sector of grey economy, but only when everyone who want's to do drugs is sterilized

>synthetic substances that exist today did not exist in the past

I fail to see what that has to do with my argument. There are several "synthetic substances" that exist today that didn't exist in the past. Most of them are legal. Why would it matter when they were developed? Science advances all the time.

>had they existed the founding fathers would hang its producers
I really doubt this.

You sound like someone who hates freedom.

>legalizing drug will only legalize the cartels

Why would a legal businessman selling a legal product wish to deal with something as violent, corrupt, exploitative, and most importantly expensive, as a cartel?

Call the cops for security. Work with the grower cooperative for supply. Business is better when it is legal.

yes, because the governments efforts have consistently failed and we could cut off the majority of revenue to spics and niggers who only do illegal shit.

it does because the strength of drugs that exist today weren't known to people of the past

thought it would be obvious but you seem to have lost your intellecual falculties from drug consumption

because money is money
legalizing drugs will merely turn drugs into another corporate ridden venture

your ideals of libertarian society are a pipe dream

> drug thread
> czech responds
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Decriminalizing and legalising for adults. I dont see how any uncucked person could think otherwise.

You know health care englobes co-morbilities treatment costs right?

Yes, except for birth control, which should be criminalized. Birth control is more harmful than most recreational drugs and unlike the others, it affects all of humanity rather than just the individual. It poisons the hormones of the people who take it, leading to mental illness (particularly depression and anxiety), divorce, single parenting, etc, to say nothing about how much it fucks up the body. As a replacement, all abortions should be free.

>it does because the strength of drugs that exist today weren't known to people of the past
So people today have to take a smaller dose to get the same effect. How is this not an improvement?

>you seem to have lost your intellecual falculties from drug consumption
I don't take drugs. I feel that drug use is wrong, but I won't try to stop anyone else from taking them if they choose, because I value freedom.

Why don't you move to north korea if you hate freedom so much?

>legalizing drugs will merely turn drugs into another corporate ridden venture

Wait... I thought we were talking about cartels.

Corporations is a different thing. And if I had a choice I'd take selling Marlboro branded Black-Tar Ultra Light 100's over dealing with the Sinola Cartel in a heartbeat.

Entirely different animal. Phillip Morris doesn't cut off your head with a chainsaw to make a statement. They take you to court.

the issue is that you both talk about freedom to do as you please and both put a limit on doses

you yourself can't even be consistent with your own beliefs

you talk of hypothetical scenarios and it's inconsistent throughout

if you think drug use is wrong but believe in the libertarian meme, you will only see more and more drug consulting. from the youngest of ages because you would have legalized drugs therefore made it kosher for corporations to bombard easily influenced groups with media that will make them want to consume those drugs you think are wrong to consume

the human mind is not free, it is subject to all forms of influences and can easily be shaped towards anything

the only thing helping people control those influences is society

yes, cartels, cartels of drugs, corporate cartels, look up the definition of a cartel

if you think the drug cartels won't flood the market with even cheaper drugs, you are shooting yourself in the foot

to get rid of the drugs problem, the Philippines did not legalize the drugs

>bombard easily influenced groups with media that will make them want to consume those drugs you think are wrong to consume

So?

They are weak-minded. That is their problem. Not mine.

I already let them do it with their McHeart-Attack Burgers, Uncle Popov's Bathtub Vodka, and student loans for degrees in the Humanities, why should it be different here?

At some point these people have to learn to think for themselves. It ain't my fucking job to bubblewrap society for them so they don't fuck up despite them being massive fuckups.

Not my problem, buckaroo. It is theirs. If you care so damn bad, you fix them and make them not fuck up by doing this stupid shit. Good luck.

>yes, cartels, cartels of drugs, corporate cartels, look up the definition of a cartel

Look up the definition of a chainsaw. One type of cartel uses it to settle scores. The other doesn't. There is a difference in dealing with them.

>the issue is that you both talk about
both?

>freedom to do as you please and both put a limit on doses
I never said anything about putting a limit on doses.

>you talk of hypothetical scenarios and it's inconsistent throughout
When did I ever mention a scenario?
What's inconsistent?

>if you think drug use is wrong but believe in the libertarian meme, you will only see more and more drug consulting. from the youngest of ages because you would have legalized drugs therefore made it kosher for corporations to bombard easily influenced groups with media that will make them want to consume those drugs you think are wrong to consume
People are already bombarded with media that makes drug use look cool and glamorous. See: rap music.

>drugs you think are wrong to consume
I personally don't take drugs because of religious beliefs, but far be it from me to tell anyone else how to live their lives. If they want to waste their lives on drugs, so be it. It's none of my business.

>the human mind is not free, it is subject to all forms of influences and can easily be shaped towards anything
I agree.

>the only thing helping people control those influences is society
I disagree.

Maybe users should sign responsibility contracts

I blacked out and the public ambulances here are good in carrying you to the hospital but they ask if the person used drugs (alcohol counnts). If you lie, next time they won't pick you.

Yes but only if we get rid of welfare/social security entirely.

I'm on drugs right now

>So?
>They are weak-minded. That is their problem. Not mine.

stopped reading there

kill yourself you kike

for decades your country bought oil from the Saudis

you had no problem using that cheap oil

hypocrite


they will be even more bombarded if you get your way with your libertarian meme

tldr drugs is a race to the bottom

only high iq people can handle drugs properly
legalizing drugs will popularize drugs even more due to easier access

This. The system is already wastes a gigantic amount of money. Allowing both would take up all of our GDP

>easier access
I don't know about France, but in the usa they are extremely easy to get. Our prisons are full of people in for drug charges.

Oh shit. Everyone back off and be nice. The Baguette is getting mad that people are saying they won't stomp on other people because they are doing what they want and suffering the consequences of it. This idea displeases him.

Words hurt. So cut it out.

>for decades your country bought oil from the Saudis

So? They have oil. We buy it.

It is nothing to lose your head about. Unlike what happens when you deal with the Sinola Cartel.

>to get rid of the drugs problem, the Philippines did not legalize the drugs
No they started mass murdering their own citizens, what a great way to solve things, I bet no one uses drugs in the Philippines anymore

Decriminalization wont generate any tax revenue or detract from cartel profits. Decriminalization just means that you dont get charged/jailed for possessing small quantities of drugs for personal use. Cartels/gangs would still be selling it and it would still be illegal for them to do so. Decriminalization would still be a good thing because you wouldnt be paying to jail tens of thousands of non-violent offenders for possession charges.

Full legalization and regulation of distribution and production would however remove the criminal element and generate tax revenue for the state.

Yes, people should have the liberty to decide what kind of toxic shit they're pumping into their veins
Let the degenerates overdose and die if they so please
As long as you don't pay taxes to keep them alive, who cares

All naturally growing stuff yes, but no for the hard ones made in someone's restroom.

yes.
if youre going to take drugs, youre going to take drugs. them being legal or illegal wont change that.
there are dirty drugs that exist because the real deal is either too expensive or too hard to get. make it all legal.
knock out the stupid drug crimes.
knock out the real criminal element.
knock out the low grade drugs.

of course, theres too much money to be made filling up the prisons.

Yes.

No.

Yes

No. Because liberals want to use liberty as an argument for this while criminalizing basic self defense tech.

They can't have their flavor of liberty while trying to take away mine.

LUV is the drug!

Don't legalize it for the sake of tax revenue. Added revenue can come from less jail and prison space. Vice taxes are just an excuse for more taxes

Why not
>go to a doctor get 100% pure uncut cocaine like before.
>go to the hood and buy drywall
Idk mate.

This line of thinking belongs to a dullard, are you one?

yes the drug cartels and the increased potency in drugs are a symptom of the drug war, decriminalize it and use like 10% of the budget we were using on it for rehabilitation and some adminstration to make sure the drugs aren't filled with poison and other garbage.

>no more criminal record means people dont get pushed into a life of crime out of desperation

>less overdose

>less violent crime

I really dont see any reason why the state should mandate why and what you put into your body.

will it ever happend? Unlikely considering the corruption in the political system actually gets fed by it being criminalized.


t. someone who doesn't do drugs or alcohol because I dont wanna fuck my body up, but realizes that giving responsibility to the state is fucking stupid.

You are all now aware you used to by able to buy heroin and cocaine as headache Medicen less then a hundred years ago.
Making drugs illegal is what made the cartels.
See the probation on alchol.

Didnt the USSR kill people doing heroin?
And didnt that not stop any drug users/dealers.
This whole purge shit doesnt work on a real life scale.

I know dude weed and all but allowing people to grow their own should be legal. Violent nigger crime would drop.

No, it costs a lot to house prisoners.
The people who need things illegal are lawyers/judges/da/correction officers.

Nah they will just shoot each other over Jordan's/bitches/muh hood rep.

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