There is literally nothing wrong with socialism

There is literally nothing wrong with socialism.

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sharing by force
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"Sharing"

You mean "unfair payment", right?

Share your wife with Jamal then

except existing

sharing is something you do interactively

socialism is sharing your money with others without asking you at all

There is literally nothing wrong with national socialism*

I'll share that on facebook if thats what you mean.

> sharing
> getting "free" shit paid with other people's money

Pick one.

What happens when you run out of shit to share?

K let's define this shit so it doesn't become autistic and faggy. Is socialism for you the generic current neoliberal capitalist model with a generous social welfare state, or is it actual socialism where the workers own the means of production, private property is phazed out over time, and the end goal is a communist stateless society without any enforced hierarchy?

Government coercion =/= Sharing

kay if you believe in that why dont you share some of your wealth with me? send 10k in USD to my paypal

The second one.

Oh fuck, forgot to check the flag.
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And so it shall always be.

There is a shit ton wrong with that then.

>socialists actually believe christ was a socialist

I think eating meat is wrong, and therefore i don't eat meat, said the vegan.

I think we should give 10% of our income to the church, and therefore I give 10% of my income to the church, said the mormon.

I think we should equally share all income, said the socialist.

Not a socialist, but some things, like socialised medicine can and do work around the world.

There is plenty of socialist policy we can use without going full Stalinist.

What and why?

Theft isn't sharing

>I think we should equally share all income, said the socialist.
Whilst living on social welfare and not paying any taxes

Forced sharing is theft

fpbp

Only if its national socialism

There is literally nothing wrong with capitalism

>being forced to share at gunpoint

yeah, sounds like a great time

Exactly.

Neets love socialism.

>share, or we'll kill you
Fuck off comrade

Ask any nurse employed publicly if they're being paid adequately

Massive confiscation of property, the complete destruction of the national economy essentially, autistic purity spiraling among ideological factions, a huge power vacuum being created which will be filled by totalitarians resulting in something similar to authoritarian communism, externalities which will basically mean that cleansings and mass murders will be mandatory in order to maintain the state apparatus which comes into power, etc.

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Reminder even the Soviet Union only lasted 70 years.

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How autistic must a person be to not see the difference between lending Timmy your crayons is not the same as subsidizing Tyrone and LaKeesha's give kids?

>There is literally nothing wrong with socialism.
As most labels for a bunch of theoretical social constructs, it fails at the implementation.

Actually: All labels fail because they fail to realize a lot of people will constantly try to find holes in the framework to use to their own advantage. A large percentage of a population will always "cheat, lie, misuse" the system.

That's why all systems require a shitload of rules and regulations and a force to track down those who works against the system. I have yet to see a system that explains how it's going to deal with all those who doesn't like it or powerful individuals who abuse it.
All descriptions presume everyone will conform and be happy or some shit like that. (Except dictatoship/tyranny - they describe non-compliant people well enough.)

Socialism system is no different and usually ends up being some form of corporativism disguised as socialism.

Imagine if Sup Forums was around when that happened

Older brother here

Sharing is total bullshit

As the older brother I'm basically expected to give all my shit to my younger siblings while getting nothing in return. Not to mention they are total assholes who deserve more beating then they received. If (((sharing))) with your own blood is this shitty then why would I share with people I don't even know

Politicians scrambling to privitise these services don't help that.

The failure is a reflection of the political class and their failure, rather than an inherent flaw in the idea of a national healthcare system.

Socialist do not understand human nature. Success usually comes from people acting in their own self-interest and people are more likely to help themselves before helping others.

The vacuum could be filled with an AI.

Thats communism, socialism is not communism

The Soviet Union didn't last because of intenal pressures related to the fundamental insolubility of the different states it ruled over working together. It's economic model wasn't terrible after reforms in the 70s and 80s. If it was just Russia instead of the hulking empire monstrosity with tons of added on countries which hated Russia and whose people refused to voluntarily cooperate with it then it probably would have worked out fine.

It's an inherent failure in a system that can't effectively comprehend market forces, because it's a fundamentally non-competitive organisation

I agree people on pol are retarded lol

Sharing with your own blood is this shitty because you're an egoistic person that always expects something in return.

K well I'll wait for you to develop your Super-AI capable of planning the entire world economy, until then it's a shitty idea.

>the radical idea of making others (((share))) their property with me
>at gunpoint

>idea of sharing
This is stupid. We already share. Entire society collectively produces everything we have and shares it through wages. Socialism is the idea of sharing properly, without having parasites that leech enormous amounts of goods from working people.

If you make someone share by force, it's robbery.

>I'm basically expected to give all my shit to my younger siblings while getting nothing in return.

And didn't you get most of your stuff without giving anything in return?

Perhaps look at it like this: The stuff you're parents gave you, they now require you to return to them. After that you will be billed a rent that will be sent to you as you turn 18. Now they can rent that stuff to your younger brother.

What you describe is pure capitalism.

Not if you legalize it. ; )

No sharing is shitty because it is more often than not a one-way street. It does not feel good go always give and receive nothing in exchange.

dude socialism and communism are different lmao

Technological singularity - it will develop itself

>all shall kneel before the markets.
That sounds more like a failure of imagination friendo.

If people ACTUALLY believed in socialism and not free stuffx than everyone with an income of over $1000 would be sending a majority of their money to the half of the world that makes lees than that.

The root cause of anyone's support of socialism is always just free stuff in the here and now. It will never work becsuse productivity falls dramaitically thr moment people realize they will be as well off regardless to how hard they work.

National Socialism*

Every time I see that badge I have to give the same fucking rebuttal. I wonder if Sup Forums should have a sticky for refuting the same retarded claims. On the other hand, that's how you become an echo chamber, so it's better this way.

Here we go again:

>You are free to share whatever you want (with those worse off than you and otherwise. "Sharing" according to self identifying socialists is about taking from someone better off than themselves. Socialism is the radical idea of taking, and it doesn't work.

>socialism
>the radical idea of sharing
>and if you don't we will kill you and your family

But, seriously, guys. How long until all white cis-gendered males have to pay the 10% addition Oppression Tax on their annual income?

It only feels shitty of you're an egoistic person.

Perhaps look at it like this

At Christmas every sibling would get a shirt. After about a year my shirt would be passed down, while their shirt is too small to fit me. So after a while they have many shirts and I have few

>If people ACTUALLY believed in socialism and not free stuffx than everyone with an income of over $1000 would be sending a majority of their money to the half of the world that makes lees than that.

How does this make sense as an argument? Socialists want to end capitalism. How does charity giving end capitalism. Sup Forums, please try to be less retarded.

If you don't punish assholes who don't even try to return favors they received, they will stay assholes.
Do you want your blood be assholes?
And with large societies it's even worse as those assholes grow in numbers as long as they are not punished for being lazy un/counter-productive fucks (punished == stopping gibs)

> Muh Singularity
We're already at the end of Moore's Law and we don't know how easy advances in fields like 3D-Processor Architecture or Materials Science like Topoligical Insulator devices would be. AI/Self-Developing Software is part of it but it's proving to be insanely hard to work around. The Singularity/Constant Exponential Progress stuff is a meme.

I still think it must have sucked living there compared to anywhere in the West in the same era. I'm willing to believe Communism held them back, that Russia would have fared a lot better without the Revolution.

The whole world should be in the EU.

Make the world a fairer place

Rights and security for all

replace sharing with taking.. then we can talk

Nice argument. Why don't you get back to me with an actual reason as to why most public hospital staff are underpaid

Hint: It's because the government has a monopoly on the healthcare market. Private monopolies are bad for the purchaser, whereas public monopolies are bad for the supplier (nurses, doctors, etc.)

Share Australia with chinks then
Nothing wrong

why is the first reply always the best reply?

>The whole world should be in the EU.
>Make the world a fairer place. Rights and security for all
EU is nothing but Soviet Union 2.0 in disguise.
Fuck that kike shit!

Earth will become the United Nations of America.

If most of the Bolsheviks weren't autists or ideologues and were actually willing to pragmatically approach things Russia would have industrialized about as quickly as any European country possibly could have and would likely rival or possibly exceed the US as an economic power today.

There's nothing stopping a group of people starting a company and sharing equally in the profits. Every employee you hire can also get an equal share.

With the amount of people around who appear to see the merits in this, it shouldn't be difficult. Why do you want to force everyone else into it? Go do it and leave the rest of us out of it.

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>i need a government to enforce my rights
are you an infant?

you want to live like District 12 in Hunger Games.. that was socialist perfection.

Everyone according to his needs - Well, you don't work that hard? Less food for you, because you don't need so much food.
You don't work that hard? Less vacation for you.
Etc.

Because Italy is doing so hot right now amirite?

Most of Earth basically already is the United Nations of America, at least almost all of the nice parts.

> Current Italy is National Socialist
Are you a retard?

Rape: the radical idea of sharing

Even their fucking propaganda buttons are full of lies.
Piece of shit socialists. Would purge them all to benefit mankind.

Because under a true system if your income was more than $1000 you'd be a net distributer to people with an income of less than $1000. You're just thinking within a rich capitalist country's framework of income, but on a worldwide framework of income you'd be forced to prop up those much poorer than you.

Wrong.

Socialism is literal theft of people's labor and the product of that labor at the business end of a gun. My money represents my time, which represents my life. Socialism literally creates slaves.

Sharing is me looking at another individual and of my own volition giving them something. I do that because I want to. Sharing is an individual, not a collective act - even when collectivized i.e. food drives, dropping stuff off at Goodwill.

People who want to enact Socialism are literally asking others to become slaves.

socialism fails to acknowledge the existence of scarcity, which is a fundamental feature of all ecosystems we've ever found.

> literally trying to violate the observed laws of physics

capitalism is bullshit fantasies to cuck people into being corporate slaves, but it at least accounts for the fact that things are scarce.

luxury automated socialism is a complete fantasy. we'll run out of oil before we even get close.

debate me, faggots.

I do

Capitalism, the radical idea of owning

Needs dummy. How about those who don't work at all? They need food, water and shelter and get it. There will always be thousands of reasons why they can't due to a lack of ability.

Edgism: The cool kids' socioeconomic-political system for edgy nihilist faggots

sharing what isn't yours

No it isn't, maybe I want to save money to buy something big you fucking cuck, socialism eventually makes sure that everyone stays in their social class because you have 0 economic mobility seeing as you give most away at gun point

> pretending to have an actual reason not to take it seriously

Yep, called it...

How can Sup Forums be so gullible?
Seriously, it's so formulaic to make a bait/slide thread.
>how can x even compete
>there's literally nothing wrong with x
>x btfo

How do you keep falling for this shit?

FTFY

Capitalism: The radical idea that everyone competes fairly.
The last decade of bankers being puppeteers of Governments is just imagination.

You should totally develop it further and see if you can get people to take it seriously though. It seems like something the pseudo-intellectual smug late-teen-early-twenties types who are disillusioned with and hate everything could totally get behind. Besides, it'd be better than Left-Libertarianism or whatever faggotry they generally associate with.