Hurr durr if you're not an /r/donald 2016 arrival who spouts muh national socialism and trump overlord you're a shill or baiting.
>I can't judge issues independently of one an other so I'll just pick whatever ideology thrown at me first then learn to argue it better while strawmanning everything else.
I'd be a Muslim then.
Sebastian Roberts
>radical kill yourself. moderate master race.
Ayden Bailey
>i don't have any consistent set of principles or a coherent world view
>whether something should be done or not depends entirely on my feelings at the moment and my shaky speculations about the potential outcome
Anthony Green
Explain to me how you can be radical and a centrist at the same time
Lucas Butler
>whether something should be done or not depends entirely on my feelings at the moment and my shaky speculations about the potential outcome
t. Sup Forums
don't forget to buy Milo's book and donate to Lauren's patreon.
Xavier Bennett
> le radically non radical xd
Adrian Foster
Literally not an argument. Since you seem to disagree with my assessment of "centrism", please explain to me what your basic principles are.
Wyatt Gomez
tfw to intelligent to have opinions
Julian Parker
I remember being a teenager.
Jaxon Wright
No schomolo. Tere isnt Right or wrong. Black or White. They all are one. These fishes arent eating each others, they are dancing together. Nothing matters, there is no cause and effect. Everything is as right as it is wrong. Also ring wing and left wing are circle, Not line.
Bentley Brooks
>mfw he really thinks he said something that has a meaning
Leo Robinson
left vs right was a mistake
little kids who know nothing about politics pick a "side" and fight one another. It's like sports teams, they actually think it's all about winning and losing
Mason Williams
This kike is right.
Evan Morgan
I mean, other than the global institutions bit, how is "radical" centrism different than, say, fascism? I mean, if you believe in the holohoax, understand that modern fascists don't want that anyway, so as far as the rest of the actual policies it seems we're all on board with this. Now, fascism was just one example, who other than the progressives disagree with these things? The "radical" ideas of the "radical" centrists are just the ideas that moderate leftists all the way to the vast majority of conservatives, both up and down on the political spectrum agree with.
Landon Moore
Well, no. Little kids who know nothing about politics complain about there being distinct world views based on opposing basic premises, because they can't fathom the idea that something that feels right or sounds good could go completely against someone's values.
Cameron Howard
Left and right is a meme. Third position is the best position.
Carson King
What is this "third position" based on, exactly? Your feelings?
Angel Rogers
t h i r d w a y
Sebastian Parker
Nah, it's not wanting open borders while not renouncing to gas you.
Lincoln Morgan
What does that have to do with left vs. right?
Josiah Taylor
You can deny it if you want but everyones political opinions are based on their feelings. Being a centrist essentially means you decide on each issue where you take your stance. Rather than listening to the hivemind and following your master
>Israel flag >trying to push values that divide nations
why am I not surprised
Joseph Long
Reminder that MS Paint comics aren't a real argumentative strategy
Luis Wood
>everyones political opinions are based on their feelings Don't project your retardation onto everybody else.
>Being a centrist essentially means you decide on each issue where you take your stance. Like I said, being a centrist essentially means you decide on each issue based on your arbitrary whims rather than any consistent values and principles. Everything you're saying just confirms this.
Samuel Rogers
It's right wing cultural policies with left wing economy policies. Basically another name for fascism/natsoc. It can't be considered left or right.
Thomas Thomas
Reminder that every centrist in this thread so far has confirmed my argument that centrism is based on arbitrary whims rather than a consistent world view or set of principles. Reminder that your opinion about politics belongs in the same category as your opinion about ice cream flavors because there's nothing concrete behind it.
Joseph Perez
Nice argument you've made there.
Jayden Foster
What does that even mean?
Gavin Peterson
Centrism is akin to being asexual
Brandon Smith
>because there's nothing concrete behind it. Wrong again. The foundations of centricism are the to provide a bettering for all mankind while selecting principles from ideologies of both ends of the political spectrum to benefit everyone, thus ending the retarded conflicts that keep rifting apart our world. I'm fucking tired of both sides' bullshit. Both ideologies have been imllemented by the elite to rule over the sheep-like brainlets who constantly keep shifting sides in order to profit from them.
Lucas Johnson
>he has independent thoughts someone stop him!
I have values and principles, everyone does. I lean left on some issues and right on others and I don't intend to limit myself by sticking to one side and listening to everything my overlords tell me. Sorry juden but your tricks aren't going to work on me
Adrian Nelson
Sorry for spelling errors, my fingies are yuge
Jace Long
Preserve tradition and culture while keeping your hands away from our shekels and prevent you from exploiting our poeple.
Juan White
>provide a bettering for all mankind while selecting principles from ideologies of both ends Yes, like I said, centrism is all about your arbitrary whims with regard to what serves the "betterment of all mankind". You don't have any consistent set of principles, as demonstrated by the repeated failure of you and your buddies to name any principles that help you determine whether something works for "the betterment of all mankind or not". Literally all you have is vague handwaving and your retarded smugness.
Asher Allen
>when you have zero arguments
Easton Hill
Pussies
Joshua Reed
>i have values and principles >i just fail to name any, just like every other centrist in this thread >btw muh joooz! muh jooz! >t. centrist "intellectual"
Henry Cox
>a fucking Christmas tree You should submit to Hezbollah
Christopher Nelson
It just means you're a faggot
You can't deport all muslims and then shake hands and want world peace brit bong
That's not how the world works
For every action there is a consequence
Aiden Murphy
So again, no consistent set of values or principles. Let's see how many times centrists in this thread do their little handwaving routine instead of providing anything concrete.
Samuel Torres
I don't want to deport all muslims, mostly because there aren't any in my country. World peace would be nice though
Nolan Flores
I literally have shifted Left to Right over the course of 3 years user. I agree with principles from both ends. Why is that so repulsive to you? Is the only solution to kill myslef then?
Hudson Young
Is the radical centrist intended to look like a Farnsworth?
Brandon Wright
I consider myself centrist
The fuck is the difference between centrist and radical centrist?
Luke Thompson
I'm guessing your going to nay say everything anyone says, and I don't know why I'm about to post on pol, but for me it's like this. I have a set of principles (do the least amount of harm to the population, promote intelligence and learned lifestyles, and then protect those who can't protect themselves. Treat all others as equal until proven otherwise on a person to person basis.) Then I just pick my position on an issue based around that. I don't like massive immigration, but I can deal with documented immigration. I like capitalism and believe it's essential for progress but safety nets and the taxation that come with it are the best way to raise people out of poverty which increases a societies productiveness. Some left and some right policies make sense
But c'mon, if you can't admit that someone's morals and principles aren't based on their emotions, which then extend to their political leanings you deeply misunderstand what it is to be human.
Tyler Ortiz
Wew. Fucking again. Did you even read that brilliant Anime Pyramid chart user?
Jason Clark
OK That's was funny
Tyler Richardson
I'm not centrist, I'm natsoc and I have firm principles and would die for them. Now fuck off kike and let all those reddit shills circle jerk with themselves if that's what they like to do in their spare time.
Kayden Garcia
> I agree with principles from both ends. Oh, look. Vague handwaving again. I challenge literally any of the enlightened centrists in this thread to explain concretely what their principles are.
Christopher Martinez
>There aren't any in my country >Flag is that of the united kingdom
Is this the power of Centrists?
Evan Peterson
>i have firm principles and i would die for them >i just can't tell you what they are Every. Single. Time. Like clockwork.
Parker Morales
Fucking this lel. The soul purpose of centrism is to avoid radicalism
William Morris
>brilliant >Anime Pick 1
Gavin Anderson
>>vague hand waving Almost like jewish tricks
Gabriel Wilson
>if you don't submit to either side that's trying to benefit of your weak-mindedness you're not principled and should off yourself lmao >inb4 concrete blah blah hand waving blah
Oliver Roberts
This guys right. Most centrists don't even care about principles when it comes to politics. It's why centrist governments never actually work, without clear principles then everything regarding policy becomes completely inconsistent. Centrist governments don't work because everything you do can somehow contradict something you've done in the past.
Nicholas Brooks
Radical centrism is just as retarded as right wing/left wing
You've adopted an ideology based on always following a happy median between two equally retarded ideologies. Ideology itself is the problem. Your beliefs should be based on careful research and critical thinking, not preordained from some arbitrary political spectrum. Labeling yourself a centrist is stupid because it pidgeonholes you to always side with the "middle"
Jordan Gomez
what are you actually asking for? you want someone to run down every political issue and give their thoughts on it? Why don't you try asking something other than vague question you retarded kike
Ryan Perry
>benefit of your weak-mindedness
I love when centrists say things like this. Centrists are always super arrogant and think they're above it all, but when you take a look at practically any government in the world, mostly all politicians are not centrists.
Centrism is a joke. Not having concrete beliefs is why centrists aren't trusted to run governments. You barely even have an agenda and most of the time you don't even understand politics. Everything you believe in is a contradiction
Hudson Hughes
>without clear principles then everything regarding policy becomes completely inconsistent. Centrist governments don't work because everything you do can somehow contradict something you've done in the past so... hillary clinton?
>centrist governments never actually work they might just work in the future get everybody a mandatory app to vote on every single measure and decide amount of commitment before sunday 23:59 but for now, it's just way too cumbersome or not exactly centrist since a perfectly average ideology does not exist
Aaron Scott
Literally none of your "principles" are principles. They don't provide any objective way to judge an action or a policy. >Least amount of harm This is based on your arbitrary whims about what's more harmful. >promoting intelligence Should people be forced by the government into study gulags if it served to "promote intelligence"?
>protect those who can't protect themselves Should I be required by law to risk my life trying to save a cripple from a gang of bandits?
>Treat all others as equal until proven otherwise on a person to person basis Equal in what?
Jack Gonzalez
What do you mean centrist governments don't work?
Every single republican government functions thru compromise, which is the quintessential centrist mechanism.
Hypothetically, a pure Left/Right wing government does not need to compromise because it is ideologically homogenous. A purely one sided government is strictly hypothetical tho because even single-party states grow factions even if they don't operate in the open.
Hunter Gray
I didn't ask you to "submit to one side", you literal retard. I asked you to explain what your consistent set of principles is, but shockingly enough, you don't have any, because your political opinions are based on your arbitrary whims. Thanks for playing.
Brody Roberts
this fuck (((communism))) and (((capitalism)))
Elijah Anderson
Hillary Clinton is actually a pretty good example. She's basically a big government neo-con, she's nothing like the Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders fringe of the left wing. Hillary Clinton's views were completely arbitrary.
And yeah I mean hypothetically we could say that maybe they would work in the future but the point is, they don't work right now
Jace Mitchell
>what are you actually asking for? you want someone to run down every political issue and give their thoughts on it? No. I want a list of concrete premises on which the centrist world view is based, so that one could judge unambiguously if a certain proposition (e.g. some government policy or action) is consistent with respect to those premises or not. Protip: a bunch of different people should be able to agree on the conclusion if they assume the premises to be correct and use valid logical deduction.
Sebastian Cooper
They don't really function through a system of compromise, they function through a system of checks and balances. Basically all politicians are still huge ideologues though.
Charles Williams
You're still being pretty vague, I can't answer questions I don't understand. I'll give you an example of one of my personal beliefs; healthcare should be free at the point of access and available for all legal citizens
If you want to ask about specific issue then I can oblige but I don't know if I can run down every value I have
>You're still being pretty vague No, that was actually very concrete and specific, but I'm not surprised that a centrist can't comprehend it.
>I'll give you an example of one of my personal beliefs; healthcare should be free at the point of access and available for all legal citizens Alright. Let's go with your example. How do you figure that healthcare should be free? State your basic premises and then show how this conclusion follows through logical deduction.
Jayden Bennett
If only I believed in labels I'd have found my niche today
Carter Rogers
>How do you figure that healthcare should be free?
Is english your second language? I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking here. Do you mean "why do I think that?" or "how is this achievable?"
Gavin Gomez
they function thru both
Checks and balances are more about ensuring one branch of the government doesn't become tyrannical
Compromise is how laws get passed. When you have multiple factions in a government (even in a single party state) as a lawmaker, you have to compromise parts of the law you want passed in order to get other congressmen on board. This system has been around since Rome, it's how every free legislative body today operates. The only way around this is a full dictatorship where a senate only exists in name and just carries out the will of the dictator to maintain the appearance of legitimacy.
Christopher Sanchez
>Israeli complains about centrism
Boggs frowns upon you, you effectively take the best of benefits from far right zionists and the left international Jews
Adrian Cox
what the fuck is that graphic? >most of the world is libertarian >libertarians want welfare states
Jaxon Flores
Am I a centrist if I think we should have segregation, ban islam, institute single payer and support gay rights? Then maybe genocide niggers and create a min income. I seems like it sort of cancels each side out.
Camden Anderson
What the fuck? "How do you figure" means "how do you come to that conclusion".
Grayson Stewart
>Like I said, being a centrist essentially means you decide on each issue based on your arbitrary whims rather than any consistent values and principles. Everything you're saying just confirms this.
No you decide on each issue based on it's merite, how are you not getting this? it's the opposite of feels > reals. On the other hand, left or right wing ideology forces you to blindly subscribe to every part of the ideology regardless of what the facts are.
IE : me and Alex jones are on the same team as in we both support trump that means fuck the fact when it comes to all the stupid conspiracies he spouts.
Wyatt Thomas
And as far as all politicians being "ideologues" I have to disagree. Some are, certainly. But nobody really believes that Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Tim Kaine, and Hillary Clinton are ideologues. These people are opportunists, as are most of our elective officials. This is why politicians with genuine beliefs stand out. Trump and Sanders were "different" because their supporters believed they really believed what they said. All but Clinton's most blind syncophants thought she was just an average politician and only voted for her because A. She's a woman, and B. They wanted to stop Trump.
Blake Jones
fuck your shit threads faggot
Isaiah Walker
wait, who gets to define where the political center lies?
Austin Roberts
>you decide on each issue based on it's merite Once again you are demonstrating why centrist political opinions are worthless. Everybody decides on each issue "based on merit". It's just that some people judge merit based on concrete principles, while others (centrists and other retards) judge merits based on their feelings and wild speculations.
Christian Hernandez
holy shit slovak scum confirmed for absolute worst balkanigger
Ian Morales
One gets you free bumps and keeps the thread alive.
Brayden Campbell
Not necessarily. Although 'militant' would be a better word, a radical centrist would just be a centrist that wants everyone and everything to be centrist.
Anthony Powell
Are you implying that principles are not derived from feelings then? How do you explain hardcore SJWs who want to genocide whites? Those people have principles as strong as your average stormfag. I'd argue that all principles/convictions are ultimately based on emotion derived from ones personal perspective.
Xavier Allen
>Are you implying that principles are not derived from feelings then? Principles are derived rationally from values. Values are intrinsic to the individual, but I wouldn't say that they are "derived from feelings". Feelings are temporary and fleeting. Values are not.
Jaxson Wright
Fascism is radically authoritarian economic centrism
Christopher Parker
>the same memes of centrists don't have opinions HURR It'd be better to explain that you are moderate-right, OP.
That's centrist on Spain and United States.
The social aspect is not that important. It's quite simple actually. Conservative values and meritocracy.
Education quality and opportunities to the poor.
Illiteracy is what made USA get fucking cucked by the Clintons and their friends.
Actually, America won't drop capitalism, it seems. Trump arrived just in time. ;^)
The children here get triggered when there is someone they can't understand. Poverty and ignorance will always make politicians fuck you easily.
It happens all around the world.
Camden Turner
Israel I think the reason you're not getting what we are saying is maybe due to us having totally different philosophical views.
You seem to think that there's a magic recipes to how we ought to govern ourselves as a society and we can discover it and totally take away any subjective values (whims as you call them) from the equation.
Let's say : We discover a way to exactly predict the IQ and physical capabilities of a child in the womb and we can make reproduce them.
Should we abort every baby below the threshhold of IQ and only allow the strong to live and reproduce or not? Why or why not?
keep in mind I will keep asking why after every answer you provide until you say "well I feel that this is better" because that's where it ends up if you follow it down the rabit hole.
tl;dr read Treatise on Human Nature and Geneology of Morals.
Jayden Campbell
Centrists have opinions. They just don't have any consistent values or principles to base their opinions on, so their opinions aren't worthy of discussion.
Oliver Fisher
>not consistent >next! Not an argument if you ask me. Maybe try with another one.
Colton White
>You seem to think that there's a magic recipes to how we ought to govern ourselves as a society and we can discover it and totally take away any subjective values (whims as you call them) from the equation. My problem with centrists isn't that their values are subjective. It's that they either don't have any values, or they don't have any concrete principles to objectively evaluate propositions with respect to their values in the face of uncertainties and personal biases.
John Clark
Feelings and Emotions are the same
Values are still derived from emotions, but they are long lasting. Take Islam for example. As poisonous an ideology as that is, no one doubts that it's most radical adherents do not have values. These are also not fleeting, as a Jihadi never wakes up one day feeling "hmmmm maybe I don't hate the west today"
The fleeting emotion I think you are referring to is impulse. People who base their political opinions on impulse aren't even centrists (for the most part, tho some centrists are), theyre more like the redditors that jumped on the "alt-right" train because it was edgy.
My problem with Centrism is that it's just as much of an ideology as being left or right wing. They assume that the answer lies in the middle every time.
Ideology is the problem. A true ideologue does not form his opinion based on new information. Every time he hears a new piece of info that contradicts his strongly held convictions, even if that information is 100% true, he will not change his mind because he is so deeply rooted in his ideology. To question even the most minute contradiction would cause his whole worldview to unravel.
This is not to say that having principles is wrong. I'm saying that principles are not always rooted in fact. I have a very strong principle that 2+2 = 4. No amount of new information may change my mind because it is impossible for that to be proven wrong. However, some people have a very strong principle that they are a woman trapped in a man's body. This is not something that they just decided over night; they have held this deep conviction from a young age. It doesn't make that person's principle factually-based.
Cameron Sullivan
You're right. It's not an argument. It's an observation, and so far no one in this thread seems to embody a counter-example to this observation.
Julian Lee
>not welcome racists
isn't it racist to not welcome people just because of their political believes?
this isn't centrism, this is "i'm retarded" the thread
Xavier Powell
Good god I just have to point this out >citing Mensa.org >As if Mensa has anything to do with your political opinions an isn't just a way to peacock your intellect
Can you be any more pretentious OP? From now on whenever I make a ____ism General thread I'm going to post a link to my college transcript, not that it has anything to do with the discussion, I just wanna show Sup Forums how big my brain is :D:D:D
