TAXES AND SHIT

OK, faggots, let's get serious for a moment:
What's is the best tax policy according to Sup Forums?

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I like flat tax rates, they are simple and all the data says they work better than progressive taxes.
Progressive tax systems are supported by feelings, not facts. Literally populism.

None at all. Taxation is theft and the federal government doesn't have the right to exist.

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>closed borders
>no feminism
>white ethnonationalism

Well, if I learned anything from Victoria 2, you should charge poor people the most taxes, and not tax the rich at all. That will get you the most money, and encourage the poor people to become rich.

Higher direct tax for workers, Lower taxes for companies cleaning loopholes to avoid em n shit
Remove indirect tax on products and services.

>implying

Zero taxes for anyone and get your income from tariffs. No revolutions, massive growth, and money for days.

none at all because

TAXATION
IS
THEFT

Taxes should essentially be the way they are now, but reverse the 7% FICA tax in the USA.

Instead of taxing the first 117k for social security and medicare, give credits on the first 117k. Tax 100k and over.

Poor people only retain 5-20% of their pay. Give them 7% more and you just single handedly saved the economy. Stocks and business soar, rich make tons off of it to offset their cost for paying for Social Security and Medicare.

I mean ideally we abolish it and have capitalism, but this system would fix it without a purge.

No tax no police, no hospitals, no roads, chill user

All tax money is given to me personally

Prefer none at all, but after that, the best is through tariffs on imports. After that, flat tax. Progressive is awful, I'd rather have fucking regressive

No taxes.

It only gets used by government to put people through their schools which makes them retarded, thinking we can't figure out some way to build a road without having to steal 60% of everyone's money. And then before you know it you are taxed so much that the decent responsible people in your country stop having kids cause they dont want kids they cant provide for decently (theyre not niggers after all) and then the government spends the rest of your money on making higher education even more fucking retarded than it already is and imports a garillion muslims to kill us all.

So fuck off you entitled, greedy thieving bastards.

This works for Russia. Just put insane tarrifs and reduce all taxes to zero. In few years you'll have so much money you can't really spend it. Pretty dumb.

Nigga like just build your own roads n shiet haha

Hello, Stefan, I hope you're doing well.

Hello, Trudeau, I hope your new bull is performing well.

WRITE THE BOOKS YOU FAT FUCK

Flat tax rate. Optional additional taxes to government assistance programs, if one CHOOSES to. If those funds have more money going out than coming in, recipients are placed in a queue.

Would you like to donate an extra 1% to:
>[ ] General American charity
>[ ] Veterans aid funds
>[ ] Public Health safety net for low income families
>[ ] Shaqwanda and her 10 kids from 7 different dads
>[ ] Transgender Ashley's chronic depression and anxiety that prevents her from working

Check all that apply.

>this

>work better

How? Low income people spend all of their money. All of it goes back into the economy. How does a tax policy that is harder on them and lower on top earners work better?

Also flat tax discounts the disproportionate use of community properly such as roads larger enterprises make.

only minorities and immigrants pay taxes

Just have like a 99% tax on the richest 10% and no taxes for everything.

Flat taxes are shit and supported by corporations. Isn't even populism

No one will export to your country then.

Right said user

No taxes, just fees for government services. If the government can't privide services with paying for them they can't keep those programs open.

Wanna use the freeways? Buy a permit to use them. Wanna go to public school? Pay tuition or earn a scholarship from someone with money to pay for your tuition.

>What was King Elessar's tax policy?
No one should really give a fuck.
>Did the IRS pursue Eirik to Vinland? (John Green tier question)
>Did Sigurd ever consider if Asgard was a centrally planned commune or a capitalist barter system?

>best tax policy
No tax policy.
"Taxes" will be paid by a mandatory 2 month military service every year. During this time public works will be done, the service window can even shift so as to have a constant labor force.

>retarded leaf
I would assume this is b8 but you are a leaf so I can't be sure

The Voluntary ones.

Taxes to the state only, no taxes to the government

States rights should come first

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>What's is the best tax policy
This

Poor trolling

Except inflation makes the government poorer as well so no it's not taxation.

Taxes should be a years (or something of that magnitude) labor from all citizens at some point in their life. Perhaps make it similar to military rules as well, you can pay for schooling with guaranteeing more years working for the government. So you can just be an unskilled worker sweeping floors for a year, or some shit. Or you can get trained as a doctor for free, for 3-10 years of indentured servitude as a doctor.

What does education have to do with money? Does everything have to be about money to you people?

Ideally no taxes is the best, because of the whole taxation is theft and initiation of force, blah blah. But practically taxes are a necessary evil and should be flat rate and only go towards the government protecting citizens from violence/aggression, destruction of property, theft, breach of contract, etc. Everything else should be unregulated free market.

In my opinion: Flat Directed Tax.

Flat tax rate. Each citizen has a tax burden but choses where the dollars go. All government agencies must advertise and crowd fund to get funding. They bribe people by saying "we'll build such and such highway or maintain this park!" If they need any more money they have to take out loans. The heads of those departments are personally responsible for paying back the loans but can use government funds to do it. People who pay money for a government project can vote to hire and fire people related to the project. Everyone's pay is basically tied to pubic ass kissing. No more welfare ever because all the people who vote for it have no money to fund it.

I support maintaining a progressive tax system but having tax rates and spending drastically lowered.

>replacing money with labor
this is called communism

monarchy, 10% tax cap, fuck all politicians

we tax the blacks and we tax the jews

Why do you think there are so many donors and special interest bribing our politicians?
They don't give a shit if the government loses money, as long as the situation stays stable in such a way that they get re-elected.

You can't afford a monarchy with that shit

Or just have no taxes but tax the rich like hell.

You're too level headed for this board

> Low income people spend all of their money. All of it goes back into the economy.
Everytime this stupid argument. Give a kid 10 bucks, it will spend the 10 bucks on candy, the kid hasn't produced anything. Giving people money doesn't help the economy in any way, it just produces leechers waiting for their monthly check. And where does that money come from? Either the people that produce things, so they have to pay taxes, so the kid gets 10 bucks from the taxes, so they can earn it back. Is it fair? No. Or the government just prints money and creates huge inflation and everything goes to shit.

Don't cut yourself yadda yadda. Unless its to kys of course.

Srmal folk lacks the economic education needed to run the country.Obamacare was a shining example of this,it was loved by the stupid who didint understand economics but hated by people who knew tchem but the king nigger didint care becouse muh votez

Either voluntary payments into "Defence and Infrastructure Fund" or 1% of ones wealth per year.

An opt in, means tested tax system. If you want to vote to where the tax gets spent, you get taxed, and you are permitted to use public services, which in turn are means tested (like the nhs in the uk; if you are a fat fuck who smokes every day you get taxed more; if you are a criminal you get taxed more).

it's socially speaking the fairest; if you want to opt out of society you can, and if you want to be a "beautiful at all sizes, refugees welcome" progressive you get taxed higher for it because you strain the system more.

Medium amount of tax, but can be reduced by number of children you have made in your household. Ez

Exactly, so inflation isn't taxation

This. Payroll tax is a racket, a tax on creating jobs that is hidden from the worker. Income tax is well tuned by itself, payroll tax fucks it up by taking an extra chunk.

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taxes should be a voluntary program, almost like donations. seems like a naive idea but government bodies should grovel for money instead of receiving money w/o any protest. citizens should be able to direct where their money goes to as well.

None, taxation is theft.

You need to take the redpill

Interesting. Taxation is theft, but forced manual labor... a-okay. Is it chronic, what you have, or will it pass like a rash?

Why stop at taxes? Just abolish the private ownership of the means of production. Problem solved right there, amigo.

labor backed currency with tariffs

one mark printed per one mark earned

no income tax necessary

tax gold, silver, and other alternative currencies so they don't replaced the labor backed currency

100% tax on all earnings, let the government decide how much we need

giving people money makes the economy poorer. When they go out and buy, say, a car, that means there's less total cars available on the market (lower supply) and thus the price will sightly rise for everyone. When someone earns money form a job, and then spends it, the same principle applies, but he's also putting more products into the economy of equal or greater value than he's taking out, which increases the supply of goods thus lower prices for everyone.

>what is monaco

Making them vote with their own money fixes that up really quickly. Alot less people will be putting money in stupid bullshit when it's litterally only heir own money going up in smoke every time, meanwhile everyone sensible doesn't have to pay for everyone else's mistakes. In this system subsidies would fail every time unless they were actually needed because as soon as something actually important comes up 90% of money would get diverted to that instead. This also neuters tax burdens by making them get less "votes" since now everyone also votes with their dollars.

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Out of interest, what tariffs would you implement and how would you tax precious metals?

Good fuck poor people

I make about $50k and I'm not exceptionally intelligent and I am a socially inept autist. I'm not a hard worker nor am I "connected" in any meaningful way.

If a fucking retard like me can do it there's literally no excuse to be poor except that you are literal human garbage and in that case like I said, fuck you.

t. keynesian goy

>50K
>socially inept autist
Haha nice lie. You obviously have a job at some firm in which you need connections or wealth.

He just said libertarian economics

sales tax.

it is the most fair and balanced way

15% VAT.
15% on every penny that goes from a moral person to a physical person.
So dividends, salary or any way you get money from a company would be taxed 15% upfront. No declaration of my earnings as an individual.
That's all.

Progressive taxation is based upon many ideas but the main one is that people earning a lot steal it some way or another to poor people.
Which means hard-working productive smart people steal from lazy retards.
You really have to be a liberal to believe in that. That's the cornerstone of the Marxist thinking.

In his manifesto, Marx explains why you need to implement progressive taxation as the first step towards communism. We literally live in Marxist states, but 99.9% of the population ignores it.

he wants to decrease buy power of masses L M A O

The goal that NatSoc had back in the 1930's was complete autarky, which is complete self-reliance and relying on trade to get anything. They were embargoed before WW2 happened, so they had no choice.

If there isn't an embargo situation, there should still be tariffs regardless in-between the friendly nations. 35%.

I'm not too familiar on how the nazis taxed gold and silver, but I do know that they did. I'll have to read up on that. I think it was very small just to encourage people to not use it as a currency over the Reichmark.

Economies of scale make things cheaper when more people buy them.

*not relying on trade

It's no lie. Most people don't like me here bc I'm a quiet autist. But I show up every day and get my work done so they keep me around. Most of the day I spend shitposting.

These anons are right. They are also hitting on some themes from my nigger Bastiat.

Also: even IF the Keynesians were right that stimulus spending increases real demand, we would still have to weigh this against all the money that COULD have been made if there were better incentives to work save and invest, which a check for $50 from Obama does not give.

Better to cut marginal tax rates (i.e. tax on additional money not considered income, a raise, bonus, etc.), that way the incentive to MAKE additional money is increased, as is the money itself.

yall heard of Paul Craig Roberts? Reading some of his shit on this now.

I'd institute progressive taxation, with the added caveat that if you're rich and investing in the economy you'd get yuge tax cuts, and if you're rich and saving money on your accounts you'd get yuge tax hikes.

The money must flow, saving money hurts the economy.

Also, I'd make budgets a 4 year thing instead of a 1 year thing and have the people vote on a budget with plebiscite instead of leaving it in the """"capable""""" hands of politicians.

Overtaxing the rich will make then not rich or GTFO, not taxin the poor means gob gets nothing from mayority of pop. This is commie shit.
No tax no government is anarchy. wild west, kill or be killed. Anarch antifa shit.
The gob should be about 25-30% GDP
More important than how much are you taxing is how you use it.
Spending millions in 1 kid with some special weird sickness or a bigger scaner for a whale when you can help most of the population is just stupid. Less politicians, less public buildings, people don't need to meet in person to pass laws. 1 gob, not multiple for every level.
Provide decent basics, and let the free market solve the rest.

You should be taxed by government proportional to how much you use government.

Haha fuck you welfare queens.

Where and how will you get the materials necessary to do things such as building roads and municipal buildings?

prices decline if there is competition and deflation

Flat tax, no deductions of any kind.

zero taxes

Also read this

nationalsocialistreeducation.wordpress.com/2016/11/17/the-manifesto-for-the-abolition-of-interest-slavery-1919/

Gottfried Feder was Hitler's economic theoretician, and originally got Hitler into NSDAP in the first place. The resulting Reichmark was a complete divorce from the international banking cabal and truly let the German people prosper.

>Greece
>talking about money

Rothsnigger get out

Its not replacing money with labor, it is replacing taxes with labor. So no matter how much of a lowly neet you are you still contribute as much to society as everyone else. And you are forced to learn how to work and survive.

It solves the what are fair taxes. If I am a lazy bum I pay zero income taxes because I make to little. Do we charge more taxes for rich people because money is worth less to them?

A rich person, in some instances might use take more benefit from the government, so in some instances it might be fair to charge him more. But in many instances a person who pays zero taxes will use the roads and free healthcare more than some millionaire who pays hundreds of thousands in taxes.

What about second bailout?

The Kraut is right

USA sustained itself on liquor taxes until WW1. Then it switch to income tax (and prohibition pretty much killed alcohol income).

Look at all your niggers trying to keep each other in the bucket.
Most of the world transactions are now done via Wall Street and exotic financial products. Tax that shit. Fuckin 1% tax would be a boonfall for everyone. We even got tax avoidance laws to deal with the games they play to hide shit.

Also, no taxes, no army. Enjoy the hordes.

Buy them or obtain them with the labor force itself.
>forced manual labor
The fairest people of all, The Saxons, saw this as the ideal system. I don't think taxation is theft, I think its a shit way of linking the individual to the nation. Give them a means to see they are actually building something great, when they walk down the road they paved, or see the building they built at the center of a glorious city, they will take pride in the nation, they will love her and because of their love she will be great. There's no need to be a faggot about it. 2 months per year of free labor/military service for the government, in exchange you pay no taxes, you can use public land, everything that socialists promise but it actually works because its decentralized. The government is large but largely powerless, the power comes in the unity of the individual, then the community, then the state level, which makes up a nation. Of course divisions of labor run by local administrators, but that's more of a logistics issue than one of policy or polity.
Go back to r/TheDonald or whatever whole you crawled out of, Sup Forums is a National Saxonist board.

Corporatized government over sight with competitive tax credits for performance.

>You have a police department
>If you police department meets performance indicators, your whole department receives additional funding
>If your police department fails to perform, they are subject to review and decreased funding, additionally police departments from other areas could move into your territory and secure additional funding if they successfully perform.

The problem with government is you can be absolute SHIT at your job and still get paid. There are so many fucking leeches it is not even funny. (School Board members, Health Code Inspectors)

Additionally, private sector pays substantially more than government, so they are not able to retain top talent. Having government clearances issued only causes those with the proper clearances to be more competitive and compensated outside of the government work.

tl;dr - Pay for performance based on tax credits, paid for by those consuming the services provided.

Problem with taxes is that people don't own means of production and therefore taxes collected aren't regulated and spend on things people and their country needs. In capitalism nobody really knows where the money is at.

I dont give a shit, I just want a white nation.

Once white people start taking care of their own, taxes will be benefitial to our people.

As long as our taxes go to funding the invasion of our country and supporting 5 generations of welfare on the backs of working people, then i dont want to participate.

Kek

It switched because of the Federal Reserve. The US dollar is a debt currency. There are never enough dollars in existence to pay back the debt. Therefore, the citizen must be taxed into oblivion to pay off never-ending debts.

The best solution was to do what Hitler did. Take control of the money printer and print off money when you need to fund public actions. One mark printed = one mark earned. Pretty simple. Just get an honorable man in charge of government.

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property tax > sales tax > income tax

>Buy them
I can already see it coming. There's no reason the government can sell surplus resources if they become wealthy enough, though this is unlikely, but I am doing this so you won't harp on this non-issue.
>inb4 corruption
In this system the government is entirely contingent upon the people, the people balance on the edge of a knife in terms of collapse on a national level but they are supported indefinitely on a state and community level, essentially they are social or they die, not like they are killed but unless they are survivalists they are going to want to be apart of the community and a family. Social media could facilitate this as people will connect more with those geographically closer as the globalist fad dies down.

ree get out statist. estonia is a national liberal country

Came here to post this.