Are libertarians and fascists allies or is this a Sup Forums meme?

Also is Sup Forums a libertarian or fascist board?

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libertarians are a joke

Maybe, I used to be a Libertarian until I realized Liberty will be impossible to achieve in a non white society that is steadily heading toward the doomed road of marxism. So until Marxism and Jewry is no longer a threat I am a Fascist.

Sup Forums is a theocracy mixed with magocracy

Libertarians just havent realzied they need authoritarianism to succeed with heir goals. They are the future fascists, so we must nurture them

It's real, so long as globalists draw breath on this earth.

Both want to get rid of democracy.
Both would probably prefer monarchy to the current system.

I disagree. "Le free market" is a jewish meme, as is Marxism. They are two sides of the same coin.

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any fascist is my ally when there's communism to deal with

>Also is Sup Forums a libertarian or fascist board?

they are compatible on key issues
>anti-democratic
>anti-egalitarian
>anti-liberal

We have to unite our efforts to purge the left, do not fall for shills that try to cause in-group fighting over meaningless issues.

Agree that unrestrained capitalism is about as Jewish as it gets. I support some social policies like government regulations to prevent unsafe worker conditions, but I can't make up my mind as to where that stops.

It's a meme that is very quickly becoming reality. See Molymemes latest vids and Christopher Cantwell for example.

I was full AnCap a year ago, now I'm a white nationalist and very quickly becoming a Rockwellian NatSoc

It's true, it's all true. Especially the bits what ain't.

Libertarian and Fascist are not necessarily mutually exclusive. In my opinion an ideal government is libertarian in peace but mobilizes into fascism when facing national crises such as war or calamity.

How do I purge liberals without violating the NAP?

easy

Kek'd and Check'd

When it has a detrimental effect on the people. In real life it would be determined by politics to be frank.

All libertarians become fascist eventually.

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The thing I find confusing with this outlook is that they acknowledge the need of an authoritarian state that goes outside the realm of simply upholding contracts and non-aggression. It admits that the state protects the people against subversive influences and that that would include violating their most fundamental human rights. A lot of "libertarians" seem to be fascists that like guns.

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The factions of Sup Forums.

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>national socialism
>libertarianism
>not compatible
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Also, see this video

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sometimes i feel really conflicted, i consider myself libertarian, i love freedom and less resctriction on the market, but other times i feel really inspired by fascism and the kind of power that it has
this is terrible

like minds, brothers

>unleash the cops
>private property taken as a sacred right
>remove welfare queens
>suppress immoral political behavior that tries to use the government for plundering
Literally nothing wrong with this.

I feel the same. Sober I'm libertarian, drunk I'm Natsoc.

Both is preferable to Democracy.

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>the pic
Holy shit, that concept actually has potential.

limited government and a strong nationalist state are the only two viable political systems. Sup Forums is naturally inclined toward these two because everything else is completely retarded.

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it has been going around for a while

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Of course. To kill commies first everyone gets along.

Pol is a politically incorrect board

Learn to read

It works so well because obviously Gadsen flag in Murica, and there are fasces all over American art/government buildings/monuments

Nazis are to be thrown out of helicopters; fascists are fine to a degree.

t.ancap

Liberals violate the NAP just by existing

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>from one dumb ideology to another

Sup Forums meme. We both hate commies but at the end of the day our ideaologies are polar opposites.

you can have your fascism just no step on snek

This is the redpill your looking for.

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I agree with this

>ever listening to that dividing kike
okay man

Both.

Libertarians and fascists both understand that communists and non whites have to be physically removed, so to speak.

>defending the jewish masquerade that is the "catholic" church

Traitors hang first.

neither, it's just right wing leaning and racist jokes.

Sup Forums is an anarcho-fascist board.

You must determine the ultimate purpose of man and society on this earth and then derive what means we must undergo to achieve that. I personally fell out lolbergism because it sums up the enitrety of existence into what could really be compressed into a shopping mall. Financial transactions, property rights, being able to swindle as much profit out of unsuspecting nitwits in some atomized free for all where everyone is out for themselves. Honestly its what the jews have done and it's no wonder when getting into it your reading list sounds like a guest list from a bar mitzvah.

Rather than putting all of human existence into abstract property rights third position ideologies attempt to take in the whole man. It may be true that white societies work well with these rights, so they should be promoted, but upholding them and maintaing them all across the world as a universal principle is stupid. The point of a societal unit is to protect and propagate its folk, all while trying to maintain their happiness and prosperity. From his genetic code to his higher minded, unexplainable, ideals of beauty and the eternal. Rather than doing what is most economically efficent, they strive to capture that glory and "power" you describe because that is what actually affirms our existence. Take this meme for example. It admits that you must destroy your enemies with a centralized power. But that won't really kill the idea from springing up from the biological computers that our are brains which are quite similar and will produce the same results again. The utopia won't ever exist.Would it not be better to admit this as being a part of humanity and building a structure to counter it rather than trying to implement a system for a species that does not exist? "No communism or your life is ruined". That's the sort of thing the US did when it was strong.

i lean towards natsoc, but with some libertarian elements. i think that it's more important that people learn self-discipline, rather than the state making all forms of degeneracy outright illegal (which also empowers organised criminals). however, i support a strong interventionist state in terms of things like (((finance))) and eugenics (subsidise housing and employment for normal and supernormal people, encourage subnormal people to be sterilised). i'm also very sceptical of democracy - it's too easy to subvert.

You must be new. You'll come into the fold. We all do. Was AnCap a year ago. Now, not so much.

Libertarianism is a celebration of individuality. Fascism is all about collective sacrifice.

>the same way anarco capitalism is chaos and NatSoc is sheer tyranny and bondage.

They are opposites.

Libertarians are children and Authoritarians are what they grow up to be.

that.... That actually makes sense.

*also, i want the state to promote the church. christian values helped people to govern themselves and reject hedonism.

It's a libertarian board. Fascist are just louder and more obnoxious.

And trolls rarely pretend to be libertarians.

Well, that's a fair point. Not that i defended the catholic church itself, what brought Luther wasn't much better anyway.

Don't also forget that christianity, being jewish invention, forbid usury, to profit the kikes.

In fact, fuck europe of those times.

Luther did nothing wrong and John Huss's only mistake was not being able to kindle enough support to dismantle organized bapistrys of Europa.

Why not both?
They both have a lot of reasonably valid points that could coalesce into a wonderful blend of ideology. extremes of both should not be considered, this is where Sup Forums makes a lot of mistakes. Reviewing worst case/best case instead of taking the best qualities of both and blending them together.

I think i put it wrong way - i see ancap ideals as an utopia worthy to strive for; you can't ensure its eventual implementation without authorithy, thus fascism is the best way i see for now.

Agreed. I basically realized that having a true live and let live view of the world is impossible with a bunch of uncivilised savages who refuse to act like fucking normal people. I would be totally fine with things like socialized medicine and school if we could be sure that everybody contributed their fair share. Unfortunately when you have niggers that refuse to work and shit out 5 kids you just end up with a welfare state instead.

Luther tried to turn Christianity into something more compatible with Europe and to take away its jewish spirit and all the contradictory texts. That why he was taking out certain passages in the first place. Of course then this leads to a crisis of faith of whether or not these semitic fairy tales are real which put such a holy man in a bad spot. Called out the kikes, though.

Orthodoxy kind of did the same thing with making people like Plato basically saints and foundational to their religion.

Fascists place way too much trust in their government. Authority eventually corrupts 10 times out of 10 and the only solution is to have a weak authority.
I just want to be able to live my life how I want to live it.

Idc what they are libertarians deserve punches too.

Role playing on the Internet is unhealthy user. Unless you plan to suit up and rock some nationalist gear sit down and shut up.

AnCap is what we should all wish for, but there are differences between the races that make it impossible to live together without some kind of conflict breaking out. Humans are "imperfect" creatures and aren't meant for such things

I get where nazis are coming from but what are you supposed to do if the government ends up being controlled by marxists? In a free society the most they can do is topple fucking trash cans, in a fascist society they can line you up in front of a firing squad. I'll take the former over the latter anyday. Giving the state too much power has been shown time and time again throughout history to lead to violent and dark times. I don't trust any government with that power even if they agree with my ideas, its just too easy to abuse.

>i see ancap ideals as an utopia worthy to strive for;
Go down the list and explain why.

I'm actually planning on starting a Gobbles like podcast for white nationalism. Planning on editing in crowds cheering and such like that. It's gonna be pretty comfy actually.

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This.

Doubt if orthodoxy (russian one, of course) deserves its name now. Nowadays it's just a big "religious" corporation like it was during empire times - it attracts many followers of whom very little percentage get the real point of orthodox teachings. Best time for the orthodox was USSR years - as it was persecuted, only true believers attended. And it is good when only true believers attend.

The individual rights thing. I hate the fact you are born slave to your society.

this

Are ancap pants cool or no?

>In a free society the most they can do is topple fucking trash cans
They are actively replacing and conquering your people with foreign hordes to the point where there will be nothing left of them after a few generations, kidnapping and raping children, sending your sons to die in desert wars for the chosen people, putting mass amounts of propoganda to turn women into whores and men into effeminate faggots. Erasing the idea of God, gender, family and all else from the human mind completely and you can't fight against it because it infringes on other's supposed "right's". Liberty is another name for kikery.

>The individual rights thing
Why is this good. What purpose does this serve?

Thanks for the heads up retard

>Are libertarians and fascists allies or is this a Sup Forums meme?
Have you not been paying any attention to this timeline?
It's a meme, but we live in a world where memes become reality.

The existential threat posed by lefties makes for strange bedfellows.

Personal intrests.

Get in here!

Soros is acting in his personal Interest. As is the Orthodox church that you just called out as fake. Are these inherent "goods" when man is simply acting for their material wealth? Should he be free to sell his daughter into prostitution if she consents? What Ideals are you talking about? What are they for?

Fascism is a means to an end. Always has been, always will be.

>They are actively replacing and conquering your people with foreign hordes
And we voted to stop it didn't we? Consider if the same thing happened in a fascist society. Enjoy being castrated for being a >FUCKING WHITE MALE before being sent to the gulags for being bourgeoise scum.

Furthermore all those problems started because globalists got in bed with the government. I don't see how giving the government more power is going to fix that. Your entire plan hinges on there being a benevolent dictator to lead the way. Unless you find a way to resurrect Hitler good luck with that. In my opinion this whole mess could have been avoided with smaller government and much stricter laws regarding campaign donations and lobbying.

I am talking from different points, obviously. For russian society, orthodox church is cancer since it does not teach them how to improve in general; for individuals that rule it, it's good. If i was one of them, it'd be good for me.

Personally for me it's when morals kick in and i start to support society. That's why i hate our jewish church and jewish influence.

But i don't mind self-profit if i can get it.

>libertarians
>against degeneracy
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes to both.

we are whatever we are not supposed to be so take your pick.

You know right, libertarians are not a single entity.

A lot of libertarians are sick of these cucks and recognize that we need to start living up to our undeserved reputation for disproportionate retaliation as seen in the ancap ball memes. Once the last democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last communist we will see if fascists and libertarians can live together in peace.

I think we would have a great time minding our own business and being respectable moral human beings.

>It is absolute that sith only deal in absolutes
Really gets my Midi-chlorians flowing.

>Are libertarians and fascists allies

no.
but sooner or later, every libertarian realizes that his ideology is a utopian pipedream that will consistently lose any and all liberties it holds dear to marxist 'progress'. they realize that libertarianism isn't a realistic option, that it essentially means being a bystander who watches and condones the marxist takeover. at that point, many of them realize that authoritarianism and use of force are necessary after all, and slowly star opening up to fascism.

There are left and right libertarians.

>And we voted to stop it didn't we?
No. Trump is not Hitler ideologically and won't stop the train. He will not do what must be done to save the historic American nation. It can only be stopped with a masculine, hierarchical system
>Enjoy being castrated for being a >FUCKING WHITE MALE before being sent to the gulags for being bourgeoise scum.
The common lolberg fallacy of equating any sort of state action with marxism because your minds are too autistic to comprehend more than two things.
>Furthermore all those problems started because globalists got in bed with the government.
They got in bed with the government because the will of the people is easily plied with propaganda and the idea of representative government lends itself to being bought out. An authoritarian state does not necessitate a large one if its purpose were to uphold the people. The largest governments historically are acually representative democracies because the lawmakers have to justify their existence. It's why you see so much waste, useless regulation, and pointless virtue signalling and talking to empty rooms. All this while not actually upholding the people but exploiting them.
>Your entire plan hinges on there being a benevolent dictator to lead the way
The entire existence of humanity hinges on that. Instead you promote a system where only snakes can rise by lies, deceit, and empty promises with their limited power rather than those who give service to the state out of a love for the people.

A libertarian government is completely anti-social and could not take any action to stop the degradation of the people. It would work to make the serfs of whatever lord comes to town.

> libertarian government

there is no such thing