REDPILL ME ON WORKERS GETTING PAID AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE SO RICH CAN GET IT ALL

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It seems this is the core belief of Republicans and conservatives.

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raising wages raises prices

its nice to have so much worthless paper in my pocket when milk costs five bucks

I agree to profit caps in America, but rhetoric like that makes me sound like a NatSoc

>raising wages raises prices

Funny how this is never a concern with CEOs making millions of dollars and giving themselves massive pay raises

Never get sucked into abstract economics. Economic progress only happens in the concrete.

Is it possible to build a space elevator today?

Yes:

youtube.com/watch?v=0qezLhypA0Y

The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.

See, for example, Paul Birch's writings:

orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-I.pdf

The orbital ring only requires tethers about 300 kilometers long which is technically feasible with common material like steel, but ridiculously straightforward with better and already available material like kevlar.

There are some important questions. First, how much would it cost to do something like this?

We need to send about 160 million kilograms of material into space (See Birch's boot strap estimates in part 2: orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-II.pdf)

We have rockets available at $2000/kg costs to LEO today in "mass production" mode, which is only about 10-20 launches per year. Compared with the couple thousand launches necessary for a space elevator, $2000 is an unreasonably high upper bound for launch costs.

We also need to include the cost of materials. A space elevator is about 98% steel and aluminum, 1% kevlar, and 1% other such as superconducting magnets. Most of the mass (98%) cost around $1/kg, with an average cost per kilogram of no more than about $10 per kilogram.

Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.

In other words, we can have a space elevator for less than $450 billion - significantly less than one year worth of DoD spending, one bank bailout, many times less than a variety of pointless wars, etc. This is well within our reach financially in other words.

What do we get in return for this $450 billion investment?

Virtually unlimited value. For example, with a space elevator we can reliably launch our nuclear waste into the sun. We've spent $100 billion building a waste repository in Nevada, but it was ultimately decided not to even use it. Now it costs only a dollar or two per kilogram to get rid of all of the nuclear waste in the world.

Second, we have immediate access to viable asteroid mining industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops to about $1/kilogram, we can not retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface.

We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.

Just how profitable?

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.

It should already be obvious that the entirety of the political debate spectrum is cointelpro.

Are taxes too high or too low? Irrelevant, we don't actually need taxes.

Is social spending bankrupting us? Irrelevant, we can retire the national debt without cutting spending all while having no tax whatsoever.

What does this have to do with taking the red pill?

We've had the technological ability to undertake such a project for decades.

That means all the squabbling you have heard your entire life, money, debt, spending, taxes, scarcity, whatever, is all bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the world has known that it is all bullshit for all of this time.

In other words, once you come to understand the such a project is and has been technically feasible for decades, you have to reevaluate many things.

Why is there nothing of this in the conspiracy media? They are not really trying to expose or solve any problems. One hundred percent of it is cointelpro. From the Young Turks to Infowars or whatever, they are all completely full of shit because solutions to our problems not only exist, are easy to carry out, but this has been the case for a very long time.

Similarly, you now know that 20%+ annual GDP growth is possible. If Trump gives you 3-4% instead of Obama's 2%, he is simply working with the establishment to try to placate and subvert a rising tide. If we see the easily achievable 20%+ growth rates, it is at least possible that he isn't a subversive. Anything less and you know he is a fraud.

TO THE STARS!

Workers get paid as much as the market will bear. You're planned economy bullshit is stupid and you have no rational arguments to defend it.

if you force mcdonalds/walmart to pay 15 dollars an hour they will just lay off people and replace them with automated machines where possible as well as closing stores to save there CEO bonuses and large salary, all a 15 dollar minimum wage will do is get a lot of people laid off.

I highly recommend to read pic related. One of the best books which formed my world view.

Milk is heavily subsidized.

>Workers get paid as much as the market will bear.

lol u stupid fucking leaf

that's why Canada has unlimited Temporary Foreign Workers right?

KYS

It won't kill jobs.

But it won't help workers either.

They're gunna be automated anyways.

Seattle has a $15 min wage, 4% unemployment

"muh market" is not efficient.

This picture makes no sense, what economic ideals did Hillary espouse that would have helped the working man? What woulf Hillary have done to combat the exportation of manufacturing jobs and importation of H1B workers for tech jobs?

Trump ran on a platform to help the working man and woman, Hillary did not

Whoa guys check this image out. #LifeHacks

even commie denmark we don't do minimum wage. If you want to be like scandinavia remove the minimum wage and give unions more power.

Yeah $15/hr is working out great for Seattle. Liberal dumbasses are celebrating, meanwhile all their favorite hipster establishments are going out of business and being replaced by megachains that can afford the increase in payroll.

>Workers get paid as much as the market will bear

is honestly the most retarded fucking argument I've ever heard.

I can't believe the billionaire globalist still have useful idiots that believe that crap

If I am willing to work for less than the minimum wage, why is it illegal for me to do so?

It is perfectly efficient

Data for this Date Range
April 30, 2016 3.90%
March 31, 2016 4.20%
Feb. 29, 2016 4.40%
Jan. 31, 2016 4.70%

It seems to be raising quite regularly

>radical centrist

Seems like we should ban women from the workplace for a quick fix to literally all of our problems. Male wages double, only one income is needed to maintain a family, women have to be humans again because they need a partner.

Feels good.

(((NICK HANAUER)))

Do liberals actually plan on paying all the illegals they want to bring in a 15 dollar minimum wage?

It'll just encourage the Corporate Overlords to hire more illegals or set absurd job requirements and then cry about how they need to import h1bs to fulfill those burgerflipper jobs because no american has the skillset.

another thing to consider is if you raise the national minimum wage to $15/hr the cost of goods will rise to match the cost of providing that good (which now includes $15/hr per employee)

in other words, if you make $7.50/hr and it costs $3 to buy a gallon of milk, @ $15/hr for everyone it will cost $6 for a gallon of milk.

the price of goods will offset the increase in pay

wrong again u cuck shill

Higher Seattle Minimum Wage Hasn't Hurt Restaurant Jobs Growth
forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/07/seattle-restaurant-jobs-keep-growing-with-higher-minimum-wages-after-a-year/#3db3d9ad1e9f

You retards will find 1 little mom and pop that was gunna close anyway due to being poorly run and u think u have an argument

You're an idiot if you think that contradicts my point. News flash: if you import foreign workers it drives down the cost of labour, you knee jerk fuckwit. And for the record I'm against foreign worker programs, for exactly that reason.

No, the truth is you're too stupid to understand it and probably have no valuable skills so the idea terrifies you. Get a job you fucking loser.

lol u have to go back paco

The whole thing with Stock Brokers and Venture Capitalists advocating for the $15 minimum wage is because they all have rotating stocks and bonds in the Food Service and Catering industries. They are just advocating for a big company to go bust, so they can quickly pour their money into it, let the banks bail the company out because "muh million jobs", sell the investment and make bank in a few days.

Why are Socialists so quick to dismiss Capitalism if they don't get free shit, but take the advice of a man who has made his entire living from the freedom provided by Capitalism, who actually has Capitalist in his job description?

Really activates my almonds

you're also not considering that "unemployment" numbers dont count those without jobs that don't collect unemployment benefits

kill yourself you fucking commie.

holy shit u fucking leaf seriously need to kys

That's the unemployment rate going down u fucking nimrod.

Look at your dates.

Honestly Kys now

You're obviously mentally retarded

because its incomplete statement

they're paid as little as they can but the workers ask for as much as they can i.e. negotiation dynamics

Corporate overlords who hire illegals should be thrown in jail

libs actually believe this

if i had a quid for every time i saw one of these "republicans aren't actually against , they fear because they know it will expose the republicans

how did obamacare work out for you dolts?

Conservatives promised me Seattle would have collapsed by now

It's so hard being rich

Hillary was pro open borders and trump is for immigration control.

That's an economic issue, not just security

Dipshit

muh free market

now here we'll import millions of legal immigrants for u, enjoy your free market

kys u globalist cuck shill

This country doesn't run on burgerflippers, leaf

Don't also forget to add that those working the shit jobs for 15$ an hour will work less hours in order to still receive benefits from the government.

Lol Seattle had the strongest employment growth in the country.

the people in your supermarket work part time and make about 10 dollars an hour for maybe 32 hours if it was 40 that went cost a company benefits for the worker. they are getting rich and paying less but just hiring more all part time.

Raise min wage and You get self order kiosks

Cost of living in seattle is also ridiculous. Its a trade off

Well we agree on that then.

>muh free market
>now here we'll import millions of legal immigrants for u, enjoy your free market

Decide what you want to say, free market works, of course if you import thousands of shitskins it drives the wages down

"Nothing."

- Nick "implying implications" Hanauer, VC

>You're gonna like the way you look, I guarantee it.
-Robert "Third" Reich

Fucker do you even know the difference between 1. One CEO getting a million dollar bonus and putting it into the bank to create capital for the banks to draw from and give out loans to small businesses and families for mortgages

2. Quite possibly 180 million people getting $15 an hour for 40 hours per day, 5 to 6 days a week? A company would fucking collapse.

Never mind the small takeout company that sells home made pizzas and employs untrained staff to give them a career because it's a family run community business. Never mind that they will be forced to fire employees to match the demand for higher wages. Never mind they won't have enough employees to make a profit on busy nights, like weekends. Never mind that losing money on a weekend is a first step to bankruptcy. Never mind that the company just shut down and the buildijg has been empty for 2 years already. Never mind that the area has become downtrodden and dangerous.

Can you even understand economics from a bottom of the rung position? Have you ever even worked a day in your life? Working in an office block for a multinat doesn't count. They're protected by the host nations government and financiers.

also, U4 includes discouraged workers. It's usually .3 or .4 higher than U3.

That's for the whole country.

States only release U4 annually I believe.

>they are getting rich and paying less but just hiring more all part time.

Im not american but im pretty sure this is related to youre stupid healthcare system, also youre not supossed to feed a whole fucking familly working part time, so those people should try to get new job

It's not only burgerflippers who make min wage, burger.

Don't forget that those working $15 per hour will work full time so they can make an okay living.

Right, because implementing a $15 minimum wage is going to curb the immigration problem. You are beyond retarded. In fact calling you a retard is an insult to retards. Free markets in no way imply open borders but don't let that stop you. Just keep spitting out your straw man arguments.

Why does everyone here care so much about minimum wage? Highschool kids and society's undesirables. Those are the only people who should be filling those positions. If you don't fit in to those categories, you seriously need to reassess your life goals and probably start cycling the big T to get your motivation back as a man.

Plenty of other cities and states have raised min wage as well

Because ceo's get paid on overall profit and goals. Hourly wages effect the price structure of a product. raising min wage cuts into profit models, making it harder for ceo's to meet supply and demand while growing profits.

the stock market expects your company to become more efficient every year. If you raise the cost of labor by literally double, these models currently used become junk and don't work.

when you are at the very top, you may have actually started the company.

WHY THE FUCK SHOULDN'T YOU MAKE THE MOST?

liberals feel that everyone deserves everything.

if i started apple computer. if i took the risk to lose everything at a chance to become filthy rich, why should some stupid fuck the company just hired be paid more. its supply and demand.

most people are bitching for a living wage.. for jobs designed for highschool kids. to get their feet wet.. liberals have RUINED THIS MODEL.

when you hire a minor, now they can only work til 9pm or they can't work more than 16 hours theres so many restritions and fines now because fucking liberals.

you ruined the fucking model that worked.

i got my first job when i was 14, thanks to liberals i hire college grads who ARE LITERALLY TAKING THEIR FIRST FUCKING JOBS.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

raising min wage is bullshit, lowering the cost of goods and services and increasing purchasing power is far more important.

lol ur such a good goy

>Quite possibly 180 million people

You thought there are 180 million min wage workers in America?

You are beyond mentally handicapped.

im sure the job growth isnt affected by the aftermath of a huge recession, minimum job increase does not mean that people earn more we need to take into acount inflation

If paying $15 was so great for business, then why aren't most businesses paying $15 an hour or more? It's literally that simple. If it was so great, then businesses would already be paying out $15 for low wage workers. And I'd say at least 40% of all businesses are owned and operated by Democrats, why don't they just implement their own high wages. The minimum wage is just that, a minimum. They don't have to abide by it, they just can't go any lower.

No you retarded globalist conservacuck shills splerg muh free market then your billionaire globalist owners flood the country with immigrants. You're fucking retarded bro

It's 2017, the last recession was fucking 9 years ago

The alternative is everyone being poor and miserable, except for the political elite. OH WAIT THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOU THINK YOURE REPLACING

>good goy work for as little as possible

And liberals promised me the earth would be destroyed.

yeah, paid protestors and ACLU "activists".

youre getting statistics from america, Obama was the president in the USA which took the longest to recover after a recession, were still sluging a bit from it

news.thestreet.com/independent/story/13741612/1/mcdonald-s-mcd-introduces-automated-kiosks-for-ordering-food.html

>how right wing retards argue

the biggest recession since the Great Depression takes the longest to recover from

really makes me think

Say you had 15 people work at a saw mill for 9 dollars an hour. Saw these people work for say 9 hours a day. In total it would cost the company to pay them 1'215 to pay everyone. Now let's say the 15 dollar an hour gets passed. It now costs the company 2'025 dollars to pay their staff. Say the company makes 4000k a day selling logs. That's now half the profits gone. Never mind the cost of maintenance, light etc. So they would have to cut back on jobs. Say cutting half the people who work there. This then leads to higher unemployment and the cost of living to soar. It's not worth it.

good one, increasing minimum wage leads companies to automate theyre suply chain

You immediately shot for the other side of the coin, but Hilary lost. She's out of the the picture now. Your defense is pointless.

>good goy pay as much as possible

Literally not an argument

ITT: CONSERVAKEKS DOING THE BIDDING OF THEIR BILLIONAIRE GLOBALIST OWNERS

You cucked conservashits are absolutely fucking pathetic.

the same principle that stops you from being able to sell your car for 5 million dollars. Supply and demand dipshit

no shit Sherlock, what took you so long

now back to reality pic rel

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capitalism gives everyone the opportunity to be successful.

if your retarded or lazy or handicapped, you suffer. but thats the best method you can have for current earth..

the biggest problem i see is 3rd world countries that have gained access to technology and realize they are getting fucked.. so they now migrate to welfare states..

remove welfare.

reward educated hard working people with capitalism.

allow the weak lazy scum to die.

problem solved.

>$15 is as much as possible

God you're retarded. You're helping corporations and hurting people. If minimum wage goes up do you think Walmart won't be able to pay it's employees? Of course they will, but my local bakery can't. Now everyone who went to the local bakery is going to Walmart.

This pic comrade

>it's an obamaleaf thread

Where did that number come from? Why not $14.50? Why not $450? It's doubling the current minimum wage. Why not triple it?

Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour while simultaneously letting U.S. businesses move to Mexico where the minimum wage is $3/DAY and allowing MILLIONS of Mexican immigrants into the United States to further flood the unskilled labor market, many of whom work illegally under the table for wages substantially below $15/hour.

What could go wrong?

>get btfo'd at every corner
>act like you won

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now all we need to decide is if the massive unemployment is worth it

Also chinks arent as automated as the west, since theyre pretty industrialisated, so comparing automation there whit the west, is a false correlation

>claiming you're against globalism
>arguing for socialist programs
Pick one and only one but please continue to show everyone what a complete imbecile you are.

You're ignoring the price of living there must be expensive as fuck resulting in high inflation. No surprise a leaf can't do basic economics.
>A FUCKING LEAF

>workers
>implying we care
Nobody here is a wagecuck, poorfag. Trump is not a republican and workers are commies who therefore eat a dick