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Wow, this is deep

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Nothing wrong with collectivism in a homogenous nation.

>being this egomaniacal
>Identifying with nothing but your own asshole
>Other races will ever begin to think like this

Good luck bro

>humans are a purely individualistic species like a panther or a crocodile and totally different from collectivist animals like wolves and primates.

It's contrary to individual liberties
Have you read our Constitution?

Go be an individual.
Walk out of the door to the wilds and never come back.

collectivism should be changed to populism

A society with a basis in individual liberty cannot survive against those who would subvert it. As long as leftists exert control over and attempt to destroy the United States, right-wing authoritarianism is the path towards an actual free society.

Fuck the alt right and people who betrayed libertarianism to become any sort of nationalist.

You're all traitors and should be hung.

t American living in Colombia

look where (((individual liberties))) led us lmao, leads a country NO WHERE, allowing it to be conquered by a culture WITH collectivism

>Have you read our Constitution?
have you?

it enshrines a balance between collectivism and individualism, because, get this, the individual is part of a greater whole.

>muh bill of rights
exists because Virginia and New York felt there wasn't enough guarantees to individual liberty. you faggot libertarian forget the constitution was a compromise between people that wanted a proto-fascist federal government and people wanted only the states to have proto-fascist governments.

I've never had anyone here give me a good reason why I should care about other people.

Collectivism is bullshit for losers that can't carve their own.
Collectivism is globalism on the personal scale.
Individualism is me putting up a wall between myself, and the rest of you fucking idiots.

>t kike living in Colombia
FTFY

What about family?

As an Individualist I can say that this is also how Gnostics feel when they look at the Abrahamic Religions.

>freedoms don't work when you open up your borders to anyone
>therefore we shouldn't have freedoms anymore

Nice, false dichotomy.

this is a mental disease that basically only exists in white people. every other group will act as a group or tribe, and that has been proven to be a more effective survival and success strategy than individualism.

You are literally a pawn of the fucking jews you cretin. Jews have been pushing radical individualism so that they have more leverage as a tribe over you. Fucking useful idiots.

I fixed it for you.

really accelerated the electron transmissions in my neural pathways

Isn't individualism just an egoism? Humans live in groups, and you can't make everyone happy.

>have an individualist trait that is inherently unnatural to most people on earth
>expect all others to follow the rules you have laid down when acting as a semi-unified ethnic or political entity is a more effective survival strategy

Family is the basic political unit, no society has ever been founded on your own asshole, jesus fuck you retards disgust me as much as leftists do. Sell out your own mother to make a point just like pol pot

>No Ben Garrison logo

You had one job.

You do realize that a highly individualistic libertarian society is only possible if everyone agrees, in a collectivist fashion, to live by those principles?

What about all the jews who were fundamental to the freedom movement, Rothbard (who buddied up with holocaust deniers and supported David Duke) or Ayn Rand?
So what if some of the lesser races are more collectivist, that just means you get to physically remove them.

How unenlightened. Individualism unchecked is just a gateway to nihilism, the most despicable of all human conditions.

no man is an island faggot

if you love jerking yourself off so much, then go buy some land in the middle of nowhere and start up a farm.

>Collectivism is globalism on the personal scale.
this is legit one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.

a border is inherently counter productive to individual liberties.
a national border is intrinsically collectivist, once you're for one you can't call yourself a pure individualist.

so individualism gets BTFO every time

>this is a mental disease that basically only exists in white people.
No one is without mental illness.

>every other group will act as a group or tribe
That's why they're all SHIT, right?

>and that has been proven to be a more effective survival and success strategy than individualism
Reality says otherwise.

>You are literally a pawn of the fucking jews you cretin. Jews have been pushing radical individualism so that they have more leverage as a tribe over you. Fucking useful idiots.
Jews push anything they can exploit for money. Collectivist or otherwise. Non sequitur.

Fuck you. Fuck the tribe. I'm not a god damn animal belonging to a nest.

Leftists:

>I advocate for an all-powerful state and the forced confiscation of property at the expense of individual freedom. The individual is nothing more than the property of the state.

Me:

>In extreme cases, a free society must act defensively to ensure it can survive against those who would destroy it. The state derives its legitimacy from securing the inalienable rights of the individuals within it, which it cannot do while allowing leftism to spread like a cancer.

You:

>I am too autistic to distinguish between these and will die in a Gulag once 51% of my countrymen decide I am the bourgeoisie

yes.

>no man is an island faggot
This one is, as far as you're concerned. Don't like it? Try me, I need some practice.

>homogenous nations
>in the current age of globalism

then stop using your computer, your house, your food, unless of course you grew it, and be an individual you fucking faggot, in fact, you're being awfully collectivist by talking here dontcha think?

>Muh constitution
just pay your fucking taxes burger

i'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way i want to

Validly promotes one to cogitate

...

Fuck Individualism

this is good.
>but muhhh group identities are bad i'm a badass lone wolf dude haha

yes, being a persecuted minority in 20 years just for egoistic purposes is pure jewish mind tricks.

>So what if some of the lesser races are more collectivist, that just means you get to physically remove them
So now you are sorting people into collective identities and associating certain traits and characteristics to them because heuristics are the only way our brain can make sense of the world. But this is antithetical to our thesis that the individual is foundational, when it's not, and never has been.

Name ONE successful society that wasn't based on strong familial values (thus, beyond the individual) and had a degree of ethnic understanding.

>a national border is intrinsically collectivist, once you're for one you can't call yourself a pure individualist.
fucking this.

>I'm not a god damn animal belonging to a nest.
yes you fucking are you cretin. Your mother birthed, nursed and raised you you ungrateful fuck. When you have children, you might understand that there are far more powerful things in this world than your own fucking ego dude.

>Reality says otherwise.
You don't have one example of a society based on the ego, and not on family, tribe or society as a whole. You are as cringy as the communists

>No one is without mental illness.
you can't even substantiate that, its a retarded point, and its not an argument.

>That's why they're all SHIT, right?
no, they're shit because they're ran by idiots. unfortunately though, they're still winning because we have idiots like you.

white people operated in a semi-collectivist mindset for most of our history and it worked out fucking great for us. this infatuation with the "individual" is extremely modern.

>Reality says otherwise.
lone stone age human versus a fucking tribe. Humans exist in groups, always have, always will. stop being retarded.

Individualism is what's gonna destroy white people.

you grow your own food?

>most important point in thread
>ignored

of course

the constitution was so significant that now every country has one you sub human muslim shit

not that you a lesser human would ever be able to comprehend anglo culture you should just off yourself

Nothing wrong with Nationalism, you idiotic libertarian.

>one line
>one-post
>hey you guys, write my thread for me
>reposting faceberg flotsam

Democracy was a misstake

>white people operated in a semi-collectivist mindset for most of our history and it worked out fucking great for us. this infatuation with the "individual" is extremely modern.
This guy gets it. Whites have historically had the perfect balance between group selection and individual value.

We created constitutions that granted inalienable rights to individuals that no other group of humans would ever have mentally been able to. But at the same time, we still saw ourselves as links in a chain, as part of something bigger than ourselves.

We are great because we value the individual and endow him with certain rights, we are not great because we worship the ego and say fuck all to every single aspect of society that led us to this point.

Lmfao yeah dude you're a big guy (for me) way to prove that you just want to live alone and play with your pecker

ITT:

>Collectivism is necessary because powerful forces are arrayed against us.
>So let's create an even more powerful force to be subverted by those same forces, and used against us.
>Because Jews or something.

You stupid bastard. You don't even know what collectivism means.

>yes you fucking are you cretin.
No I'm not. Like I said, individualism is me putting up a wall between myself, and you(and the other riffraff).

This wall of individualism keeps you OUT, because YOU are a fucking idiot and a threat to me.
You and everyone else are basically immigrants in your "collective" and I put up a wall called EGO to keep you dumb fucking fools the fuck out. Because you don't belong here.
You don't maintain this nation known as ME. I do that. Thus I make the rules here. Not you and your collective.

Savvy?

>implying jews didn't grow powerfull thanks to capitalism and individualism

fucking commie faggots

Cant tell if bait or just mentally retarded comfag

why doesnt that fat fuck just work out one more day a week so his triple chin goes away. He is so close to a mans figure but his neck says feed me pudding.

I don't think you understand, the family structure would likely still be a fundamental building block of society, it just wouldn't be enforced by a bunch of organised criminals in wigs. Sure, I generalise groups, but #notall, there are plenty of respectable blacks, jews, arabs and indians I would happily allow onto my property.
I'm fine with voluntary collectivism, National Socialism or Fascism aren't voluntary.

>the constitution
we didn't invent the concept

>now every country has one
Israel, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, UK, and Canada

we could even expand the list into countries that de facto have no constitution like China and North Korea.

We all know our enemy

except us funnily
Although Farage has spoken about how we should have an official bill of rights

>Americans were the first to have a constitutional government
user

Name a single nation or civilization that was formed or was protected by individualistic ideals.

you have no clue what you're talking about you fucking moron. if you are an individual in any serious sense, then live as an individual, otherwise you're just posing because it sounds better than "anti-social autist afraid to touch a breast"

>implying he won't reach back for evidence from 1000 years before capitalism was even a concept if I ask about Jews and their role as subversive agents throughout the millennia, implicitly contradicting his original point that Jews grew powerful enough to be a subversive force due to capitalism.

Cool image, what's the source?

>Thus I make the rules here. Not you and your collective.
kek dude and when a different collective kills you and rape your daughter because they realized that working in a team environment is better than working as 1 individual you will at least have smug satisfaction that you never identified with anything more than yourself

>>Collectivism is necessary because powerful forces are arrayed against us.
Even without leftists, or jews, or whatever boogeyman, the simple act of surviving in the wild is a team event god damn. How the fuck do you fight fires in an individualist society when the very act itself requires a team to work for something beyond the individuals.

No team sports either, not even boxing as boxing requires at least a coach and ring aide.
>tfw an atomized splay of egoistic assholes could never create something like this

/r/anarcho_capitalism

So it's either collectivism or anarchy?

You're just creating a false dichotomy. Individualism is not synonymous to anarchy and collectivism is not synonymous with society.

>other races will ever begin to think like this

No, no race has a mother brain connecting them. An individual is not defined by the race but by accomplishment, merit and character.

Me.
Kill yourself.

No, I mean the hydra vs the soldier. I want that image.

>official bill of rights
Well the one you had clearly was written on toilet paper.

>Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;

>Jamal has a gun
>Jamal is threatening you with said gun
>only way to defend yourself is with your own gun
>or you could suck Jamal's dick and be a cuck faggot for the rest of your life as Jamal rapes your wife in front of you every night until she dies from AIDS

its...its almost like Humans created groups because other animals would have hunted us otherwise and other Human groups would have easily outnumbered us. like its some kind of survival mechanism that let us adapt for intelligence instead of pure physical ability like a tiger or some venomous reptilian. weird how evolution works isn't it?

No dipshit, collectivism led to today's values

Is that why you have an army or a hierarchy?
Kill yourself.

No can do, and that's the point. Civilization was the worst idea ever. We should burn all of the books and start a religion with the only commandment being not to write anything down.

are you two niggers? where did i say the USA invented the constitution go back to fucking plebbit
i said our constitution was significant
correct
you do but people ignore it instead just about everything we have or have done is based off old anglo law and culture but instead of ignored its enforced

>nation
>individualism

A true individualistic society would not include a nation. If you want an example of a nation with individualistic ideals you can check the flag.

Here is a poll to discover what OP is

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You're just mad you and scum like you can mooch off of us individualistic people, and you can't get your jollies off by bossing us around.
We don't cuckold ourselves to society. Society is just an environment to us, and we adapt to it wherever it goes.
Because we're all the preparatory type, and because we put up walls to make ourselves nation-bodies, we don't have the trouble you faggots do.

>how DARE you put up a wall and declare yourself your own nation!
I know. Hurts when nationalism is done for personal gain at the individual level and you're left out, doesn't it?

>kek dude and when a different collective kills you and rape your daughter
Why would I allow myself to live near such riffraff? I'm not stupid, unlike yourself. I don't live near threats. I GTFO of dangerous places. I bet you live in a city, don't you?

>That pic
>The inquisition was anudah shoah
It was small time: very few people died. It didn't give birth to the "enlightenment" philosophy that has slowly ruined western society as we approach its logical conclusions.

yes, it is. at it's most basic that is.

You can come get me like the violent worthless nigger you are if you want senpai.
When all the intelligent people are gone you'll run out of people to leech from you spic monkey~

The U S of fucking A you monkey faggot

Here, I fixed it again.

>Cant have individualism without stringent property rights enforced by the state

replace individualism with nationalism

Look. Does it look so different?

>So it's either collectivism or anarchy?
A GOVERNMENT IN ANY CAPACITY IS INTRINSICALLY COLLECTIVIST. IT IS A COLLECTIVE OF PEOPLE CREATING AN INSTITUTION TO ORGANIZE SAID COLLECTIVE OF PEOPLE.

you can not claim to be for pure individualism and then say you want a government, you fucking retard.

It's uncodified so the government has been shitting on it's spirit for centuries, kind of how the gun grabbers in your country want to do with their "living document" horseshit.

Even if you're not an Achmed, it's pretty funny knowing that next to Canadians, you Germans are the biggest fuck-ups in the world. You started what, two World Wars, lost both and so you decided to do a culture war that'll ultimately lead to your own undoing?

You fucks are a disgrace to humanity, and I'm ashamed to have you faggots in my blood, even if it's 1/32nd American Mutt.

fuck all y'all


youtube.com/watch?v=M5om13s74Rw

Dammit. Again.

It's almost like you think "collectivism" is synonymous with "society" and thus have created a really dumb false dichotomy and then constructed a wonderful little strawman to vanquish, you big brave knight!

Paradoxically, only a strong state can assure individuality. Anarchy or weak states lead to tribalism. BTW a strong state can have only the functions proposed by minarchists (security, defense and law).

>So it's either collectivism or anarchy?
How did you come to this conclusion? Group identifying and group strategies, which basically means working as a unit as small as a family or as big as a tribe or confederation of tribes is the natural state of man.

We are just animals, and lone wolves die if they cannot get into a new pack. Which they try to do.


you are not a civilization you are a selfish waste of air posting on a basket weaving board

>weird how evolution works isn't it?
Gosh it sure does make you think. This is almost as bad as feminists. Only a decadent society could create such retarded ideas and have them have ANY say whatsoever.

>Why would I allow myself to live near such riffraff? I'm not stupid, unlike yourself. I don't live near threats. I GTFO of dangerous places. I bet you live in a city, don't you?
Nigger i live in the woods half of the year and do shit that would make your bitchass cry, or at least asphyxiate. And guess what. It requires a team effort.

Luckily you are an evolutionary dead end whose sole existence is thanks to the decadent, profligate society we live in. If we went back to nature you'd join a small tribe so god damned quick your dick would turn inside out.

Jesus oh christ, so you're saying that the settlers did not group identify? that they didn't identify as part of a religion, parish, nation, ethnicity, language group, settlement or family? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

wait, you say we can't "bully" you? are you a NEET? also, you're assuming so much right now, you know what I get from my collectivism? literally everything I could ever want.

also, no, you are not a nation state, you're just an autist who lives alone.

>t. cuck

Your nation was not formed nor defended by individualists and for individualists. No individualist is willing to die for a group or ethnicity or society.

Not an argument, Mr.56% with a tripcode.

Wrong, you mongrel in denial.

>where did i say the USA invented the constitution
you heavily implied it

>i said our constitution was significant
and yet the only countries that modeled their constitutions after ours were Mexico and Liberia

Civilization led to the empowerment of the Jews, taste that.

National Socialism is the final redpill. Betray your blood and destroy the logical tribe orientation of European societies.

I kinda agree

No. Words have concrete meaning and it's dumb to say one thing if you mean another. Collectivism is a specific term for a governing philosophy of society, it is not society itself. Individualism, likewise, is a governing philosophy and culture.

It's like people who say roads are socialist... it's just a dumb semantics argument that doesn't work anyway, because their definition is wrong.

>I've never had anyone here give me a good reason why I should care about other people.
Consider how a dumbass as yourself came to be able to put his/her toughts on this thread.

Someone feed your ass when you were a baby and for a lot more years.
Someone watched for you as you grew up. Someone stayed awake while you were having fever in your bed. Someone made that bed. Someone taught you to read and write. Someone build a computer for you, and all your food, and all your medicine and all the pron you fap to.
And the result of that endless chain of people doing things for others is (YOU), a dumbass that thinks of itself as such a big thing as to be completely self-made.

Walk out and experience real world.

>Paradoxically, only a strong state can assure individuality.
This is precisely what it comes down to. You can be a big bad Stirnerite but when there is no legal, moral or social protection to yourself beside your own personal ability to defend yourself against other groups of humans you are fucked.

>and yet the only countries that modeled their constitutions after ours were Mexico and Liberia
both perfect examples that the constitution is irrelevent if the human beings in those societies are useless.

It's the simple assertion that there are things in this world bigger than you are. Selling out your fucking mom like these faggots would do is one thing, but to bold face say that your life is more important than your daughter or son is just such retardation it is literal communist tier thinking.