Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>SOCALISM IS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT OWNS THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION
Literally a fucking IDIOT, not even watching it
Socialism is when the memes of production are owned by those who produce it.
Im triggered and moving to the leftist safe space
Lucas Williams
Tell me, how do you know whether a good is worth more than its costs in a communist society?
Adam Price
you are the 60%, therefore never experienced white's man success and financial stability. swallow the red pill comrade and join your local communist party before drumpf outlaws them.
Jace Gray
Greetings comrade
John Cruz
In a perfect communist society there is no money to make any product worth more than another.
The workers will have more value in their work because they have more say in how it is produced, creating better products all around.
Jonathan Price
Greetings brother
Christopher Peterson
Be free! Become a Communist today!
Dominic Morales
Join the Syndicate m8
Justin Cruz
>Cuba was once richer per capita than japan Let that sink in comrades. youtube.com/watch?v=jNixpGx4AV8 >Havana 1959 >considered a first world nation >most theaters per capita on the planet
Ryan Sanchez
>communist >free
Well, you are free to not eat or speak, so I guess there is some truth to that..........
Daniel Butler
So, you are admiting that a communist economy is intrinsically impossible? There's no measurement of value thus you cannot economize, only producing chaotically?
Doesn't sound very good to the proletariat to not know whether their work is improving or hurting society, right comrade? In fact, starving to death by the millions kinda suck.
Robert Brooks
fpbp
pic related is what commies deserve.
Jaxon Foster
OP is a dirty uneducated peasant
Ayden Diaz
Fucking commie scum Capitalism and freedom will not fail 1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN IF YOU TRY AND TAKE OUR FIREARMS
Jordan Howard
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Christian Evans
The model I stated worked in Revolutionary Catalonia where 75% of industry was controlled by Unions, and even a Laborer Voucher System was being experimented with in order to remove money from the equation. Do I think a pure Communist Society is possible? No. How do I exchange my loaves of bread for an eye surgery, but a Socialist Society where the means of production are controlled by those who produce it has been done and is working in some parts of the world today.
As long as there is a revolutionary cause, the proletariat knows anything he does to further it is improving his society, be it fighting fascists or working in industry.
reminder that the alt-left is dangerous and it's everyone's American duty to punch communists in the face
Angel Cox
My boss refused to surrender the means of production the other week, so I fucked his wife.
Adrian Hall
Stop shilling in our thread. >complains about shot posting and shills >shills Fuck off
Anthony Butler
Shit*
Aaron Ramirez
>enslavement of farmers by militias >no abolishment of money >workers just did a gibsmedat on facilities >great inequality(obviously) >different lines of production have different levels of capital intensity >some workers stole millionaire networths while other workers didn't get shit, as expected Look guise! This place proves communism works!
John Martin
Kill yourself
Wyatt Watson
Clearly not an actual issue, look at how successful the Soviet Union was economically, constant fucking growth for decades on end. All while caring for the basic needs of their people.
Jaxson Carter
>communism is anti gun goyim!
>communism needs guns to stage it's revolution.
Evan Smith
>Implying Communism will ever work. The biggest flaw is human nature. Dream on leftist cucklords.
Jaxson Garcia
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Jace Bell
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Brayden Richardson
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Kevin Foster
Really? When has Communism been tried?
Stalinism isn't Communism.
Daniel Johnson
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Brandon Carter
lol please show real proof faggot
Ethan Gray
Why did you post a picture of capitalists fighting capitalists?
Jaxson Davis
Reminder that the soon to be largest economy and the rising world power is a communist country
Jace Myers
No it is not.
Josiah Garcia
OY VEY ITS NEVER BEEN TRIED CAUSE EVERY TIME WE TRIED IT IT TURNED INTO AN AUTOCRATIC GENOCIDAL STARVING DICTATORSHIP WHICH KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Commies are insufferable twats
Bentley Russell
guns only for card carrying party members round eye
Brandon Allen
kek
Andrew Morgan
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Julian Moore
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Cooper Morgan
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Angel Butler
>A country that didn't abolish money >A country that imported and exported goods >A country that had to backpedal the majority of its commie policies >A country that collapsed Clearly shows how possible a communist economy can be.
Carter King
>AN AUTOCRATIC GENOCIDAL STARVING DICTATORSHIP WHICH KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS Namely, capitalism.
Dylan Butler
>>Implying Communism will ever work. The biggest flaw is human nature. Dream on leftist cucklords. Yes, nobody is exploited by Capitalism. Nobody at all.
Dominic Mitchell
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Isaac Howard
>everytime >what is the Paris Commune >inb4 that's small scale bullshit
Owen Perez
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Dylan Phillips
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Hudson Hughes
You mean like Capitalism now?
Christopher Turner
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Hunter Powell
Implying there wasn't ever people starving and dying under genocidal conditions in capitalist/imperial governments
Logan Nelson
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Luke Martin
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Matthew Morris
Good goyim its capitalism thats bad not the fact that communism goes against human nature abolishes the private sector thus reducing gdp growth and the fact that the free market is the best means of distributing resources considering natural supply and demand of capitalism.
Tyler Hughes
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Joseph Howard
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Jack Wilson
I mean could the same not be said for America today, with its exorberent amount of wastes, yet we still have people who go hungry?
Andrew Campbell
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Christian Moore
The USSR was full of markets.
Jace Rivera
>Communist Party in power >Socialist economic system based on collective ownership and five year plans >Wealth of society used to the benefit of everyone, leading to historical improvement in people's lives
Connor Wood
Why are communists always rich, upper middle class, bourgeoisie scum who never worked real job in their, and usually just sits in academia with their crony pals, making up nonsense excuses or definitions to serve their needs.
Is that why communists always slaughter so many working class people.
And why would you believe in intrinsic value of labor when a value of labor of a marxist is always zero?
Oliver Parker
Again, Stalinism.
Also >goes against human nature You mean by introducing fiat currency into countries and enslaving them with imaginary debt? >abolishes the private sector Which is clearly worse than owning the private the sector in your head. >Free market I thought we were talking about Capitalism. Or are you a liberturdian.
Aiden Butler
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David Carter
>All while caring for the basic needs of their people en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazino_affair >4000 out of 6000 died in a summer >At least 50 survived through cannibalism The commie definition of "caring the basic needs" is sure weird.
Connor Long
>always Sweeping generalization there mate. I know plenty of working class people who are communists >hurr durr they are all lazy and middle class
Adrian Cooper
>This has come up so much it becomes a meme
Ever thought of changing your proxy?
Liam Anderson
Can i be a communist if i hate niggers? A national communist?
Mason Thomas
you are nazbol yes
aka real national socalist, not hitler fascist shit
Jayden Ortiz
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Justin Gray
Sanders is a Communist now? Whew... At the most he's just a social democrat, who wants to keep capitalism in place but make it more "fair." Whether you agree with him or not whatever, he is by no means even close to communism
Ayden Walker
In practice, what's the difference between marxist leninism and fascism? Both require the death and internment of undesirables, the restriction of peoples civil rights, the restriction of the media and both systems of government assume complete control over the economy. What makes commies any different than fascists?
Luis Jones
Consent.
Brody Sanders
I'm not angry towards communists, I just can't understand what incentives exist in communism to bring about sustenance, let alone advancement.
>Under Capitalism
I train and work to fulfill the needs of others. The more need, the higher the demand and so the higher my reward.
I find the work that has the highest demand and reap superior rewards, and then enjoy the fruits of my careful planning.
I get to own a home, attract a mate (or mates) and go on enjoying my life while offering my accumulated wealth to others in exchange for goods or services.
>Under Communism
I train to work and fulfill the needs of others. However, there is no incentive to do any kind of work in particular. I whatever work I feel like doing, likely something easy or personally fulfilling because my reward is static.
I find the work that I want to do, if any, and reap static rewards.
I do not to get to own a home, because I can't own property, and I have no specific means by which attract mates or have my others wishes fulfilled.
>Other Thoughts
Who is going to dig the ditches and do backbreaking labour while a coffee shop has the same incentives? Who will maintain the sewers and collect trash? Who will work hazardous conditions, when alternatives exist with the same rewards and less risk?
This seems to against the nature of living things, it's hard for me to see people working themselves to death for nothing.
William Sanders
fuck off back to plebbit. You aren't going to push us out of here.
Ethan Nguyen
Fascism: >Fall in line or we will kill you
Marxist-Leninism: >Fall in line or we will kill you
There isn't much consent involved in either of the two systems.
and now fuck off this board, get off your parents couch, stop taking welfare. start a business and stop being a useless parasite who would rather see millions die than having to do some honest work to escape the "oppression" of being alive.
Jose Peterson
>my version of communism would work, trust me
Bentley Sanders
? What? But that makes me a communist right?
Why must i be a globalist to be a communist?
Should i let my wife be raped by a pack of niggers? That would make me a cuck and a coward
Aaron Morris
I mean if you want to show death counts under a system to delegitimize it then I assume you want to do the same for your system to, you know remain unbiased. Dust Bowl, Potato Famine, Conquest and Imperialization of Africa... Some pretty big death tolls to add to your systems buddy
Isaiah King
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Michael Lewis
lol man communism isn't out for your wife to be raped by fucking niggers
Andrew Parker
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Blake Scott
Globalism is more of a capitalist ideal that spreads the industries and capital around the globe. More about bringing everyone into the global capitalist system. You may be confused with internationalism, which is the unification of workers of the whole world, not the spread of capitalism
Daniel Collins
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Jackson Kelly
Isnt sharing the means of production sharing your wife? How do i know that communists wont force me to share my wife with refugees?
We had communism in my country and people were forced to take stranges in their house at some point
Brody Cook
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William Taylor
But blacks dont like whites. They call us cave beasts and racist privileged whiteys.
Caleb Martinez
>when you blame every war that has ever happened in capitalism but still hasn't topped communism's body count
