I just saw a few episodes :
> Naziland is a safe, wholesome whitopia
> The resistance are literally kikes and degenerates
> The only likable character is Obergruppenführer John Smith
What gives? Did they mean it that way? Is the entertainment industry /ourguys/ now?
Have you read the book user?
Naziland is pretty much a death factory. The show doesn't represent the book at all.
>Have you read the book user?
Is it any good? Then again if sending a few freaks to the oven is the price to pay for a moon base ... I'm in.
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It's boring as shit. If you're looking for some kind of sci-fi/rebel story, it isn't this.
Personally, I sort of enjoyed it, but overall, it was disappointing.
I thought it was interesting, the world the author created, but you spend the entire time in the Japanese occupied side of America, the only stories from the Reich coming over as rumors.
The Nazis in the book are not the good guys. Idk, what you're like, so maybe you'd appreciate this, but the Nazis are pretty much zealous murderers out to purify the world. The Whole book is set around a novelist who writes in our actual history, where the Nazis lose.
There's also a parallel narrative going on regarding how the Reich is trying to formulate a casus-belli against the Japs. Overall, the book comes to an abrupt halt without a resolution or any kind of foreshadowing. It was like Dick wanted to write a sequel, but forgot.
>Obergruppenführer John Smith
>Obergruppenführer
>John Smith
wat teh fuk am i readn
It's a pretty shitty premise which causes the viewers to lose belief in the whole thing.
1) Nazis/Japs had no intention of invading America; it wasn't in line with their other goals at all.
2) Japanese people generally are isolationist and racialist, most would be disgusted at the idea of colonizing America.
3) The films being real footage of the war has zero emotional effect and just gives away the fact that this whole thing is taking place in studio 7.
It comes with the absolute sacrifice of freedom. Fascism isn't redpilled.
Only if you're a degenerate or a nigger.
Well towards the end of the second season it was getting somewhat blue pilled messaging. I assume the 3rd season will end with John Smith breaking away from Germany and created the USA "egalitarianism paradise" that we all know and love!
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The book is a blue pill. Why would the show be any different?
That's too bad. Nazi alternate history sounds like a promising genre but they keep fucking it up like they did with Iron Sky.
No, because Hitler and the war machine he created could never plausibly settle down roots. I'm surprised more Nazi alt-history doesn't involve Africa, though.
You have to understand that most of that genera comes from America and many Americans see their role in WW2 fighting the Nazis and Japanese as our finest hour. That's why those who fought and died during the war and colloquially named the "greatest generation" and are usually pointed to as the greatest patriots alive. Sadly, many of them are leaving this earth nowadays.
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I'm sure they will. The show seems to be missing the mandatory LGBT sub-plot. I just hope they don't make him a closeted fag or something.
It's a great potential genre, but of course you're never going to see anything good out of it because you're forced to write the nazis as evil monsters if you want to get published.
That is, unless some young, up-and-coming writers who sees the potential of the new right-wing demographic decides to risk everything and start writing alternative nazi history without the self-imposed white guilt.
Ultimately I don't think you can create a realistic setting where the Nazis won and the Jews are just reduced to a footnote. At some point, even Nazi Germany would have to have some sort of reconciliation about the Holocaust, especially given the political nature of it and doubly especially when it arises that homosexuality is an epigenetic phenomenon, and also when it arises that the gays didn't get exterminated.
Because Hitler's plan for Africa was just to have it be a resource mine that he could exploit (Sort of like how the Chinese view it today).
Any book involving Nazis in Africa would basically be a very boring story of a boring factory owner trying to make his monthly coal quota while keeping his slave/servants in line.
There are tons of stories like that from the British era in Africa and almost none of them are "boring."
The book is shitty and one of Dick's worst, in my opinion. The ending especially sucks; the show is better.
I doubt it. Human beings are great at justifying causing suffering to those that they dislike. All they have to do is claim that that the other side is sub-human and you'll be able to get away with any atrocity you damn well please.
He's a high ranking American Nazi in the show (ex US military officer that joined the reich after the US was annexed).
They didn't invade America?
USA capitulated after the germans dropped an atomic bomb on Washington.
They merely split the land.
The creator of the show purposely said it isn't exactly like the book and he wanted to get away from the nazi villian trope
Ex-US Army officer who joins the nawtzees after they conquer north america
I suppose you are right. But at that point you'd be writing what is essentially a alternate history period piece of some Germans colonials in Africa with the Nazism being just a backdrop and nothing substantial. Even the stories about the British in the colonies never focused on the political situation back in Europe, which would be what most people interested in Man in the High Castle would want to watch.
Nah, there's eventually some kind of reckoning in the modern era. It'd be actually kind of cool to see how Nazi Germany handles the post-war baby boom and how those German Boomers deal with the structures of their forebears.
>how those German Boomers deal with the structures of their forebears.
By disappointing their parents.
It is.
This is supposed to the "horrible" reality in the US after they lost the war.
youtube.com
No one getting raped, robbed or culturally enriched by rapefugees or niggers but look that guy said Sieg Heil which is obviously much worse.
>It'd be actually kind of cool to see how Nazi Germany handles the post-war baby boom and how those German Boomers deal with the structures of their forebears.
assuming a nazi victory in WW2, germany would have a massive amount of land in eastern europe and russia under its control.
the plan was to raise the coming generations of germans into being settlers and farmers, who would move into the vast depopulated lands in the east.
First season was directed by a Jew and it's bland as fuck and filled with Nazi tropes.
The ((((show runner)))) and his crew abandoned the project after season one and season two was a crayz ride filled with amazing human stories in an world with [spoiler]people capable of timeline hopping.
The only reason we question the acts of the past (e.g. genocide of Native Americans, the slave trade) is because people who found these things to be disagreeable were allowed to write about it and have their voices heard in the mass media. Nazi Germany would never have allowed those ideas to see the light of day.
However you are correct about how it would be fascinating to see Nazi Germany's handling of the 60's/70's (though I think the show could never truly explore this as we never get to see how the higher ups deal with their new possessions). Also I think the show is also hampered by the fact that having America dived into three means that neither the Empire or the Reich could truly exploit the America's resources like America did in our timeline.
The show is shit. There is too many telegraphed twists and it's never explained how the films of the axis being defeated end up in a timeline where they won.
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It's a retarded piece of propaganda that is working in our favor despite their best efforts to paint as the bad guys, only because the world today is such a fucking mess.
Also I thought it was stupid the rather mediocre looking female protagonist was banging a kike, then the nazi and pined for her, and then she ended up banging a nip in the end.
You could do a story about the Nazis completing the Cape to Cairo rail line, it would be like a western but with Nazis.
its a show designed to paint the nazis as plain stupid and evil, but its doing a terrible job at it, the plot is GAH-BAGE and the actors are mediocre at best, the only reason people watch it is because it has a nice look to it, it looks legit
Women sleeping around with men who give her even the slightest bit of attention is unbelievable to you?
Confirmed for not watching the series.
Nemoj, sranje je veliko.
>Nazi
>having the name John Smith
>John is a semitic name meaning praise to Yahweh
YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
No, it's the fact that a plain looking woman attracted that much attention.
I watched it. The trade minister didn't bring back the other films, just the H-bomb one.
Uhhh Frenchbro. Watch your way up to the second season. It is going to get glorious. I am not a NatSoc by ideology - meme nazi on Sup Forums sometimes- but I just could not resist to automatically give a salute. You'll know when, as soon as the time in the show comes.
enjoyable kike propaganda.
You actually root for the nazis through the series because the rebellion are unlikeable, while the nazis are the kool kidz.
It's by far the worst book of Dick, to his own admission it was a cash grab at a time he didn't have any money to pay for drugs.
It has virtually nothing to do with the show besides the basic premise.
"Take him out in the woods, and shoot him in the fucking face"
My dick was diamonds when he said this.
Been a while since i heard it
This one is great also
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Yeah, but that process would be ongoing, and Germany could never depopulate itself in order to move into that lebensraum in a single generation. My expectation is that in a Nazi victory scenario, German families begin moving out into Eastern Europe in the 1950s, but by the 1960s and 70s when those settlers' kids are matured, there's a mass exodus of young people back into German cities, which poses a problem for Nazi Germany: Does it force those people back to where they came from? Can they do that to their own citizenry without causing civil strife?
Because Nazis never let a good propaganda campaign die, these settlers from the East would've been glorified and lauded as keeping the German ideal alive. But those people come from the frontier, where there's too much space and not enough people, and there's no doubt they would chafe against Nazi German social mores and structures.
Super je serija. Daleko bolja od knjige.
I'm sure it will surprise you that he was born before the Nazis won. You know, since he served during WW2?
The old Jap obviously isn't the only one capable of transcending the timelines. My guess is that the man in the high castle can do it on a whim since he has thousands of reels.
Which is good since the book sucks balls.
You have no guarentee on being called a degenerate or a nigger if you piss off the wrong person.
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True.
The Axis wanted to dissuade the US from getting involved rather than invading them.
Instead of north america getting colonized by nazis and japs, it would be more interesting to see a world with a three-way balance of power between an independent US, and a victorious Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
Or if you're one of the millions of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, and other Slavs who were murdered by Fascists.
>Any book involving Nazis in Africa would basically be a very boring story
African Kangz uprising againts Hitler. Sounds like a liberal best seller
here we go with this fucken meme again
jevrejska propaganda
Except the Japanese did invade America. There were battles in Alaska.
>blue state education
Wasn't the whole idea of Lebensraum was that any lifestyle that wasn't the "nuclear family being land owning farmers" was a bad lifestyle to have? Wouldn't they view those who return as being traitors to the ideal lifestyle?
He's saying that real life Japan and Nazi Germany wouldn't have given a shit about taking control of the Americas.
Jevrejska propaganda pokazuje kako bi svet bio lepše mesto da su Nacisti pobedili?
Okej.
this
>it's never explained how the films of the axis being defeated end up in a timeline where they won.
Literally the entire purpose of Tagomi-san in season 2.
I agree it is a fucking clunker. Had to force my brain to finish. Awful and poorly written.
And it would be a one sided slaughter as the only reason Europe lost its colonies was that the UN viewed colonialism as bad, so the European powers just simply let the local rulers revolt. Germany would have either bribed the ruling castes or pulled a Belgium and force Africans to work to death.
ne u tome, nego pokusavaju da ocrnu naciste
u filmu i u knjizi nacisti su poubijali sve slovene, osvojili afriku, isusili ceo mediteran sa italijanima i da ubijaju bolesne i degenericke
bukvalno jednu govna ali priznajem da dosta dobro izgleda, oni nesvesno jacaju nas
Of course, but idealism rarely pans out in reality. The frontier is still a dangerous place and the Germans who live there are inherently different even from the German farmers living in Germany proper.
The entire idea of the Lebensraum was that the population density was already high and hit some Malthusian limit in Germany, so that any increase in population would be at the expense of diminishing living standards. Perhaps even more important Germany had little to no overseas territories or even treaties with overseas nations. So they needed resources from eastern Europe.
One thing that confuses me is that the shows only muslim character was running away from the Nazis. Didn't the Nazis consider Muslims to be allies? Like Hitler's original plan for the Middle East was that it should be ruled by Muslim Germans:
en.wikipedia.org
>Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate
>the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at
>the head of this Mohammedan Empire.
You probably don't know what fascism actually is and that left and right uses that term completele wrong. Fascism is basically the belief in a well non-contestable, structured hierarchical system in an absolute state. Fascism "thinks" that guidance in form of a constant order is needed to keep people progressing as a whole. Hitler and the NS-guys were as much fascists as a scorpion is a good example for an arachnied. Sure a scorpion is an Arachnid but there are better examples for that class of species.
The term "fascism" was used to stand for something inherently evil, because it sounds so evil
*well-structured
U seriji se samo prikazuje eutanazija retarda i invalida i da je nemoguće dobiti državljanstvo ako ne ispunjavaš rasne standarde. Baš kao u stvarnosti. Niti su ocrnili Japance koji gledaju na sve ostale narode kao građane drugog reda.
Knjiga je mnogo tamnija što se toga tiče, ali i u njoj se vidi ogroman tehnološki progres pod Nacistima, u odnosu na stvarnost.
This is what I expect to see, especially after that thing they show that will obviously affect John immensely while he was away. Thing about shows like this is that the kikes know right wing ideals sell, so they hook you in with a couple seasons on really good right wing friendly themes/ideas and then go full sjw the last few seasons to say "see? You're wrong if you agreed with the first couple seasons!"
I just stop watching stuff when it so obviously jumps the rails like that anymore though. It's just annoying that I can't finish a fucking tv series due to all the sjw bullshit thrown in.
The "protagonists" in this show are what kill it. The constant telegraphed suspense that is constantly caused by their non-sensical decisions. The reality of the settings wouldve had the authorties kill those two, yet are constantly spared. It's not consistent where the Jew's sister and her kids are killed on a whim, yet the Jew himself is caught being subversive multiple times and is not. The deus ex machina involving tagomi san is ok.
Yes. They obviously didn't set out to make something that would make the "bad guys" look good, but through their shitty dialogue, shitty characters, and shitty actors they pulled it off.
None of the "good guys" are interesting, they're all either whiners, pussies, psychopaths, or clinically retarded. None of them have an interesting motivation, none of them make compelling decisions, none of them are portrayed by competent actors.
The "bad guys" meanwhile have the best actors and end up getting the most development. Obergruppenfüher Smith goes from being the evil man in the shadows to being a devoted father and husband, an upstanding veteran from the losing side in a war who's now doing everything in his power to preserve what's left of his family and his country under the New Order. Chief Inspector Kido goes from being a mustache twirling baddie to a harsh, but reasonable man, bound by duty and honor while simultaneously doing whatever he can to keep the peace and prevent things from deteriorating. Etc etc.
High Castle made the classic blunder of making its bad guys more interesting, compelling, and relatable than it's "heroes".
>literally pushing the nazi's control america angle from every possible source
>trump is hitler.jpeg
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>It's boring as shit.
This.
My only problem with this show is it has this interesting setting going on but goes full retard by forcing magical alternate universe shit down your throat.
>I am not a NatSoc by ideology
That's why your country is so cucked
Well how else do you explain the film reels?
How about you just don't have the film reels and instead focus on the interesting world that's already there?
My thoughts too. I'm just not interested in the parallel timeline stuff, you can already tell where it is going with people hoping back and forth between them. Creating a genuinely intriguing universe and then magical means to escape it on top is just bad writing.
>the rather mediocre looking female protagonist
Yes my country is so cucked because I am not a full blown national socialist but prefer national liberalism instead.
This
Lost all interest after watching the end of season 1
Parallel universe is such a meme concept it's not even funny, and I know already they're gonna explain it with
>quantum physics, son
bullshit
>Fascists
Domoj ezjay, govno polskoe
The Jews in entertainment just go where the money is. They know that there is an audience for this kind of programming (just look at pol) and they go where the money is so you pay $10 a month or whatever for their streaming service (of course you can just torrent it)
Davalos is smoking hot. This average unpolished look is incredibly sexy
butt chin
manjaw
pig nose
HOTTER THAN YOU
>just look at pol
Why can't we fund our own tv show, user? Wouldn't it be glorious?
Then (((they))) would hunt us to the end of the world and beyond.
This ain't really a pol series
Even the nazi chief can't deal with the (((horrors))) he committed during the war
On-going series fucking WHEN, Morrison?
Yes, it is.
>2017
>falling for the liberalism meme
No, theyre just trying to normalize the idea of a white, successful, functional society as being the epitome of evil and conditioning viewers to automatically see it that way by default.
This show is definitely not redpilled. There are parts where they say that the Bible is banned in the reich... what?? That isn't accurate at all.
Furthermore, the series is about the fucking Japanese half the time. I get that they're around too but if they should have a couple here and there as the show takes place in America. Overall, like others have said, kind of a boring show that portrays the Nazi's as android murderers which they were not.
>like others have said, kind of a boring show that portrays the Nazi's as android murderers
And yet there's an entire subplot in the second season where Juliana turns lives in the Reich and realizes that they're basically zero crime, everyone sleeps with their doors unlocked, nobody struggles or wants for anything, and life is almost perfect if you can live with the whole 'old, infirm, and seditious being humanely euthanized' thing